my take is if we sigh both to 10+ million a year contracts we can look back at 2010 and 2013 as the only cups will win with Toews and Kane as Stan will be handcuffed and we will become like the penguins and loss because of lack of depth.

It shows a penalty of $3,675,000. So is that:

$5,275,000 - $3,675,000 = $1,600,000 cap savings?
- PhilMeister89

I think when Hossa wants to stop playing, his back will suddenly not allow him to play and he'll find his way to LTIR so there is no cap hit. But that is several years away and his cap hit ain't no thang....

I can't possibly see how you can give Patrick Kane more money than Correy Perry. But hey that's just me. I find the whole "Kane and Toews have to sign identical contracts" ridiculous as they do two different things. But I get it. What I don't get it is paying someone who's only cracked 30 goals twice 11+ million dollars a year. But, I don't want to ruin this whole "Stan is the cap-master's cap master" narrative…..
- yahoodi

It really isn't hard to understand...Kane means as much or more to the Hawks as Perry does to the Ducks.

Perry/Getzlaf is best comp but have to factor in a higher cap and other factors...

Last time I checked Perry/Getzlaf have been around longer and have won only 1 Cup and that's when they were rookies.

It shows a penalty of $3,675,000. So is that:

$5,275,000 - $3,675,000 = $1,600,000 cap savings?
- PhilMeister89

$3.675M is the cap penalty for that particular year he would retire.

http://capgeek.com/recapture-grid

So if Hoss retired this time in 2016, the 'Hawks would be on the hook for that amount of money for 5 seasons after that retirement. No Hoss, extra $3.675M hit against the cap and they still have to figure out a way to "fill" his roster spot.

So you wanna be a GM, eh?

This new CBA will absolutely hammer the 'Hawks with respect to Hoss's deal for at least a couple seasons.

EDIT: Remember the $4.1M bonus carry-over going into '10-'11? Since the 'Hawks were at the limit in their '10 cup season, the bonuses 19/88 earned carried over into the next season. Essentially a penalty. That $4.1M cost them some of the players they had to dish off during the summer of 2010 cap-ocalypse. This Hoss thing would be about that money times at least a couple years. The only good thing about that is the cap in those years will be substantially higher than it was in '10-'11.

I think you're right on this one. Crosby is supposidly the best in the game and he's locked in at 8.7 for a long time, so I'd think T & K would be around that number. I feel JT wouldn't take a huge payday as he knows it will hurt the team. Kane of the otherhand... who knows.
- Fooseshark

I love how everyone expects the best player in hockey to be paid like a slightly-above average player because he's a nice guy and they selfishly want the Hawks to roll 4 lines



He deserves whatever he gets and it's SB job to build the team around them, whatever the number ends up being.

Lots of smoke and mirrors out there right now. What is clear to me is this:

Can't pay 19 and 88 $10MM deals and get a legit 2C unless for only one year.

None of the rooks can play 2C - yet.

No one knows what the cap will be for 15-16.

The rest is all speculation, but the numbers on the deals for 19 and 88 will tell the story of the next steps.

Malkin's cap hit starting next season is $9.5 million. Ovechkin's is right around there too.

It's not out of the question to think that Toews and Kane could hit $9 to $10 million per season.
- EKolb13

Well I guess I'm just an bumhole It's crazy all that went on during the recent lock out and all the GM's female doging about these crazy contracts... then once they start the season back up... they had out asinine contracts like candy on Halloween. Oh well... hopefully JT and PK know that if they ask for something crazy, the team might be headed to the "dark ages" again.

I think when Hossa wants to stop playing, his back will suddenly not allow him to play and he'll find his way to LTIR so there is no cap hit. But that is several years away and his cap hit ain't no thang....
- mohel

I understand that, what I was saying is that as the years progress so does the age of players and eventually people retire. I don't want Hoss gone and I also don't think his cap hit is a problem. Just throwing out things is all.

$3.675M is the cap penalty for that particular year he would retire.

http://capgeek.com/recapture-grid

So if Hoss retired this time in 2016, the 'Hawks would be on the hook for that amount of money for 5 seasons after that retirement. No Hoss, extra $3.675M hit against the cap and they still have to figure out a way to "fill" his roster spot.

So you wanna be a GM, eh?

This new CBA will absolutely hammer the 'Hawks with respect to Hoss's deal for at least a couple seasons.
- blackhawk24

Ok, so that $3.675M penalty would be on all remaining years of his contract. I get it. And to answer your question... No, being a GM would not be my preference. I'd rather be equipment manager or something.

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Benning on Kesler ‘’If we don’t get offered a fair deal, we’re going to keep him’’…… ‘’We would like to get NHL caliber players back’’……. ‘’If Ryan comes back and plays for us next year we would be happy about that’’
- VanHockeyGuy

Man the offers must suck then?

And thats fully where I expected it to be

But this Bob Mckenzie talk of 10-12 per has me worried
- FourFeathers773

I'm not trying to start an argument or saying that you're wrong, but why worry about it until the final numbers come out?

Well I guess I'm just an bumhole It's crazy all that went on during the recent lock out and all the GM's female doging about these crazy contracts... then once they start the season back up... they had out asinine contracts like candy on Halloween. Oh well... hopefully JT and PK know that if they ask for something crazy, the team might be headed to the "dark ages" again.
- Fooseshark

I didn't call you anything, if that's what you're trying to get at, nor did I mean any disrespect...

I'm not trying to start an argument or saying that you're wrong, but why worry about it until the final numbers come out?
- EKolb13

Using that argument, why is anyone talking about all the trades? Cuz it's interesting. Frustrating at times. But interesting.

my take is if we sigh both to 10+ million a year contracts we can look back at 2010 and 2013 as the only cups will win with Toews and Kane as Stan will be handcuffed and we will become like the penguins and loss because of lack of depth.
- SaskHawkFan

The NHLPA has a lot to do with this also. I expect the #19/#88 to get $10-$11 mil a season for 8 years. The union wants guys like Kane and Toews to get the most they possibly can because it's sets the bar for other players contracts in the following years and so on and so on. There's no way the Hawks are getting a hometown discount. Say what you want about Bowman but there's a reason he holds on to his prospects so tight, starting this year and next year he's going to need some of those guys.

And thats fully where I expected it to be

But this Bob Mckenzie talk of 10-12 per has me worried
- FourFeathers773

That is all it is - talk. It may be Bobby McK, but is it not in the interest of the rest of the teams in the league for them to get paid a lot more?

If they do take some kind of homer deal it virtually guarantees cup contending teams for many more years to come. Not good news to the competition.

I think he is just stirring the pot, or the owners do in fact have a pretty good idea of where the cap will be for 15-16.

I'm not trying to start an argument or saying that you're wrong, but why worry about it until the final numbers come out?
- EKolb13

In the absence of any rumors or news, it's the only thing we can do!

It really isn't hard to understand...Kane means as much or more to the Hawks as Perry does to the Ducks.

Perry/Getzlaf is best comp but have to factor in a higher cap and other factors...

Last time I checked Perry/Getzlaf have been around longer and have won only 1 Cup and that's when they were rookies.
- Al

And last time I checked, Corey Perry still played a more important position, scores more goals, and plays more of a two way game……

I understand I'm in the minority. And I know the alternative is a slippery slope with Kane's ego and you might not want to go there….but jee bus, 11 mil for a person who, on paper, is a glorified Tony Amonte? Kane was 23rd in goals last year, and we want him to be paid in the top 5…? I'm more than happy to give him a significant raise. But this "Whatever he wants"…..Why even get a cap conscious GM…….

In the absence of any rumors or news, it's the only thing we can do!

- furso27

Good point.

I haven't thought a thing about this yet and not sure if it's been discussed but what about Jarome Iginla? Is he staying in Boston? Is he done? I know he wanted a cup really bad, do you think he would come here for $1,800,000 cap hit?

For those who give a rats ass, Eddie O was just the Game here in Chicago and had this to say.

-is not sold the Hawks won't trade Sharp
-thinks if Hawks get a legitimate #2C, Toews will be a top 5 scorer in the league
-says Saad is untouchable but would listen on TT if the return was right.
-not sold that Leddy will be a Blackhawk come opening night.
-wouldn't even attempt to sign Brad Richards, says he's too slow to play in the West.

Man the offers must suck then?
- MjulQvist

Low ball offers it appears, looks like he's not going anywhere

I haven't thought a thing about this yet and not sure if it's been discussed but what about Jarome Iginla? Is he staying in Boston? Is he done? I know he wanted a cup really bad, do you think he would come here for $1,800,000 cap hit?
- PhilMeister89

Others have bought it up. Boston is in a spot this coming season with a $4.5 million cap penalty against them for last season's performance bonuses, which most of that went to Iginla.

$3.675M is the cap penalty for that particular year he would retire.

http://capgeek.com/recapture-grid

So if Hoss retired this time in 2016, the 'Hawks would be on the hook for that amount of money for 5 seasons after that retirement. No Hoss, extra $3.675M hit against the cap and they still have to figure out a way to "fill" his roster spot.

So you wanna be a GM, eh?

This new CBA will absolutely hammer the 'Hawks with respect to Hoss's deal for at least a couple seasons.
- blackhawk24

yep nobody wants to talk about or consider that. don't forget keith's possible penalty down the road as well depending upon how long he plays!

I haven't thought a thing about this yet and not sure if it's been discussed but what about Jarome Iginla? Is he staying in Boston? Is he done? I know he wanted a cup really bad, do you think he would come here for $1,800,000 cap hit?
- PhilMeister89

If Sharp left, yes, a good replacement at LW, but no way Iggy takes that little, and the need is at C.

lol, a Vancouver paper rips them for going after Bolland...


"If you believe the reports the Vancouver Canucks have contacted the agents for Dave Bolland and goalies Jonas Hiller and Ryan Miller, you have to wonder what the green brain trust of the Vancouver Canucks is thinking these days.

Not sure whether it escaped their notice, but only the Buffalo Sabres scored fewer goals than their team last year — and if the goal is to produce uptempo, entertaining hockey, perhaps looking at goaltenders and an overpriced checking centre with a concussion history might not be the highest priority."



http://www.theprovince.co...sizzle/9974470/story.html