Kypreos is saying He Stan's by what he said about Sharp being on the block. He also said Kane and Toews will be in the $10 to $12 range. He also said the Hawks are looking for a #2 center.
- paulr

Kypper is usually pretty good with this stuff, he's not the type to make up rumors for publicity. I doubt we'll ever know what actually is going on, unless Sharp is actually traded.

Im just saying Toews or Kane isnt worth the massive $4 mil jump over someone like bergeron

Put it this way:

At $10.5 mil in cap, would you rather have

Kane

OR

Bergeron AND someone like Wayne Simmonds?
- FourFeathers773

A cheeseburger wasn't worth $2.00 15 years ago.. Markets change and so does the idea of what something is valued.

Thats fine. Keep Toews at 10.5

Then with the other 10.5, instead of Kane, you could have Bergeron and Simmonds
- FourFeathers773

The comparable is Crosby and Malkin.

I'm going to try this cap thing for a moment, never done this before.

According to capgeek, 2015-2016 has us at $29,036,538 cap space by doing absolutely nothing right now. Ok, so if Kane and Toews get $11 mil a piece that gives us $7,036,538 left. That's Kruger, Saad, Nordstrom, Morin, Smith, Regin, Oduya, Leddy and Roszival without contracts. In two years Oduya will be 34, Hossa will be 37.

If I had to guess, Hossa could retire in two years. That's another $5,275,000. But even with $7,036,538 you have enough to sign future "core", bring up youngins who have had additional time to develop and still be a strong team. I know things look dicey right now but two years is a long time and the current roster we see will have fresh faces that fit us under the cap.

Not too worried about keeping a strong team and staying under the cap.
- PhilMeister89

When Hossa retires they take a cap hit, it doesn't free up his entire $5.725 in cap room.

Please go to Capgeek.com. We have 10 players signed for 50 MM, even if the cap is set to 80 MM next year, we'll have 12 players signed for 70 MM.

This is for 2015-16.
- Madkymike





Not sure what you mean, the new CBA outlawed the type of contracts your thinking of. I'm assuming that they will make 10AAV, so 8 years for 80 MM in total.
- Madkymike

Look at the "cap payroll" number, that is the one that counts. The Hawks have ten players under contract in 15/16 for $42M cap hit, not $50M.

When Hossa retires they take a cap hit, it doesn't free up his entire $5.725 in cap room.
- Hemingways

Ok I wasn't sure how that worked so I left the remaining cap at the $7 mil number.

I'm going to try this cap thing for a moment, never done this before.

According to capgeek, 2015-2016 has us at $29,036,538 cap space by doing absolutely nothing right now. Ok, so if Kane and Toews get $11 mil a piece that gives us $7,036,538 left. That's Kruger, Saad, Nordstrom, Morin, Smith, Regin, Oduya, Leddy and Roszival without contracts. In two years Oduya will be 34, Hossa will be 37.

If I had to guess, Hossa could retire in two years. That's another $5,275,000. But even with $7,036,538 you have enough to sign future "core", bring up youngins who have had additional time to develop and still be a strong team. I know things look dicey right now but two years is a long time and the current roster we see will have fresh faces that fit us under the cap.

Not too worried about keeping a strong team and staying under the cap.
- PhilMeister89

Run the re-capture calculator on capgeek regarding Hoss. It's not what you think it is. New CBA will hammer the 'Hawks as it pertains to the date Hoss retires.

With 88 and 19 both looking for $10 million+ deals I think the Spezza vs Kesler picture gets a little clearer.

As much as I love the idea of an all-American 2nd line with Kesler (or Stasnty for that matter) at center, wouldn't it make more sense for the Hawks to trade for Spezza?
-Spezza's contract expires next year, which is when the 88 and 19's new cap hit will take effect. This also gives Teravainen another year to develop and learn the North American style of hockey. Hopefully, by 2015-16, TT is ready to step in to the 2LC role.
-The Senators may be willing to swap Spezza for Sharp, while the Canucks seemingly have little interest in Sharpie. The trade may be easier to complete.
-Spezza has more top-end talent offensively and would thrive with Kane and Saad on his wings.
-Spezza is bigger (6'3" 220 vs 6'2" 202) and could be that net-front presence the PP has been lacking.

Granted, Kesler is a younger and probably a more complete player (plays the PK, more responsible defensively, hits people, etc..), however Spezza might be the better fit for this team right now.

The comparable is Crosby and Malkin.
- paulr

SOLD! If 19/88 new cap hits adds up to C&M, the 'Hawks are sitting pretty cap wise going into '15-'16, even with a modest increase in cap for that season.

The comparable is Crosby and Malkin.
- paulr

I think you're right on this one. Crosby is supposidly the best in the game and he's locked in at 8.7 for a long time, so I'd think T & K would be around that number. I feel JT wouldn't take a huge payday as he knows it will hurt the team. Kane of the otherhand... who knows.

A cheeseburger wasn't worth $2.00 15 years ago.. Markets change and so does the idea of what something is valued.
- PhilMeister89

Exactly, which is why what Colorado is doing is stupid. They're arguing that Duchene makes $6 mil, so nobody can be paid more. They have been trying to convince both Statsny and ROR to take pay cuts to be under Duchene. Problem is, Duchene didn't just sign that deal, and he doesn't play center, so comparing his contract from a different year is not comparable. You get paid what the market will bring. Statsny was at $6.6 mil this past year, you think he doesn't get at least that on the free agent market? Of course he does, and then some, unless he takes a small discount to fit in with a team he really wants to play for.


Complaining about Toews and Kane's future salaries is like female doging there's a Rolls Royce and Ferrari taking up space in the garage. Just be glad you have them. Any other team in the NHL would take that problem anyday.

The challenge is to keep drafting well so you can keep fitting in kids on ELC's. Trade the non-core vets for prospects and picks every year as other kids take over their roles. It's no different than how the A's and Ray's have run their organizations pretty successfully for 10 years or so.

Run the re-capture calculator on capgeek regarding Hoss. It's not what you think it is. New CBA will hammer the 'Hawks as it pertains to the date Hoss retires.
- blackhawk24

It shows a penalty of $3,675,000. So is that:

$5,275,000 - $3,675,000 = $1,600,000 cap savings?

With 88 and 19 both looking for $10 million+ deals I think the Spezza vs Kesler picture gets a little clearer.

As much as I love the idea of an all-American 2nd line with Kesler (or Stasnty for that matter) at center, wouldn't it make more sense for the Hawks to trade for Spezza?
-Spezza's contract expires next year, which is when the 88 and 19's new cap hit will take effect. This also gives Teravainen another year to develop and learn the North American style of hockey. Hopefully, by 2015-16, TT is ready to step in to the 2LC role.
-The Senators may be willing to swap Spezza for Sharp, while the Canucks seemingly have little interest in Sharpie. The trade may be easier to complete.
-Spezza has more top-end talent offensively and would thrive with Kane and Saad on his wings.
-Spezza is bigger (6'3" 220 vs 6'2" 202) and could be that net-front presence the PP has been lacking.

Granted, Kesler is a younger and probably a more complete player (plays the PK, more responsible defensively, hits people, etc..), however Spezza might be the better fit for this team right now.
- hockbomb

This. And I think if we look at what Stanley likes to do, it is groom his prospects to fill the roles at much cheaper. I see Spezza scenario as a great 1 year rental with the hawks tendering an offer for a cap friendly hit afterwards IF Spezza is sold and wants to stay to win in Chicago.

I think you're right on this one. Crosby is supposidly the best in the game and he's locked in at 8.7 for a long time, so I'd think T & K would be around that number. I feel JT wouldn't take a huge payday as he knows it will hurt the team. Kane of the otherhand... who knows.
- Fooseshark

Sure they would, if they signed when Crosby signed. Things have changed dramatically since Crosby signed his long term contract. How do people not realize this?

New CBA, new TV deal, revenues up, Salary Cap going up.

Toews and Kane aren't going to take what Crosby did years ago just because Crosby is the best player in the world. Toews/Kane are going to take what they can get now because things have changed since Crosby's deal.

Should every Dman take $5.5mil a year just because that is what Keith's cap hit is for? Things have changed.

I think you're right on this one. Crosby is supposidly the best in the game and he's locked in at 8.7 for a long time, so I'd think T & K would be around that number. I feel JT wouldn't take a huge payday as he knows it will hurt the team. Kane of the otherhand... who knows.
- Fooseshark

But Crosby's deal wasn't just signed. It's an old deal and old prices. It's not really a benchmark to keep those guys at or under. They've accomplished more than he has in the playoffs and should be paid more, IMO. Now if they want to pass up a few million each to help the team, that's awesome, but I'm not going to count on it. This situation isn't a bad thing, I'd much rather be here than in Vancouver's position with a bare cupboard.

With 88 and 19 both looking for $10 million+ deals I think the Spezza vs Kesler picture gets a little clearer.

As much as I love the idea of an all-American 2nd line with Kesler (or Stasnty for that matter) at center, wouldn't it make more sense for the Hawks to trade for Spezza?
-Spezza's contract expires next year, which is when the 88 and 19's new cap hit will take effect. This also gives Teravainen another year to develop and learn the North American style of hockey. Hopefully, by 2015-16, TT is ready to step in to the 2LC role.
-The Senators may be willing to swap Spezza for Sharp, while the Canucks seemingly have little interest in Sharpie. The trade may be easier to complete.
-Spezza has more top-end talent offensively and would thrive with Kane and Saad on his wings.
-Spezza is bigger (6'3" 220 vs 6'2" 202) and could be that net-front presence the PP has been lacking.

Granted, Kesler is a younger and probably a more complete player (plays the PK, more responsible defensively, hits people, etc..), however Spezza might be the better fit for this team right now.
- hockbomb

Yeah, which I believe is why Al has been on the Spezza train. One year left, buy some more development time for some kids, make a run at 14-15 and see where you are after that.

Yeah, which I believe is why Al has been on the Spezza train. One year left, buy some more development time for some kids, make a run at this 14-15 and see where you are after that.
- PhatJoeSki

The more and more I hear about the new Kane and Toews contracts, the more I want the Hawks to go after Spezza since his deal expires in a year and it gives us a year to see how TT matures in the AHL

I think you're right on this one. Crosby is supposidly the best in the game and he's locked in at 8.7 for a long time, so I'd think T & K would be around that number. I feel JT wouldn't take a huge payday as he knows it will hurt the team. Kane of the otherhand... who knows.
- Fooseshark

Malkin's cap hit starting next season is $9.5 million. Ovechkin's is right around there too.

It's not out of the question to think that Toews and Kane could hit $9 to $10 million per season.

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Benning on Kesler ‘’If we don’t get offered a fair deal, we’re going to keep him’’…… ‘’We would like to get NHL caliber players back’’……. ‘’If Ryan comes back and plays for us next year we would be happy about that’’

I can't possibly see how you can give Patrick Kane more money than Correy Perry. But hey that's just me. I find the whole "Kane and Toews have to sign identical contracts" ridiculous as they do two different things. But I get it. What I don't get it is paying someone who's only cracked 30 goals twice 11+ million dollars a year. But, I don't want to ruin this whole "Stan is the cap-master's cap master" narrative…..

Exactly, which is why what Colorado is doing is stupid. They're arguing that Duchene makes $6 mil, so nobody can be paid more. They have been trying to convince both Statsny and ROR to take pay cuts to be under Duchene. Problem is, Duchene didn't just sign that deal, and he doesn't play center, so comparing his contract from a different year is not comparable. You get paid what the market will bring. Statsny was at $6.6 mil this past year, you think he doesn't get at least that on the free agent market? Of course he does, and then some, unless he takes a small discount to fit in with a team he really wants to play for.


Complaining about Toews and Kane's future salaries is like female doging there's a Rolls Royce and Ferrari taking up space in the garage. Just be glad you have them. Any other team in the NHL would take that problem anyday.

The challenge is to keep drafting well so you can keep fitting in kids on ELC's. Trade the non-core vets for prospects and picks every year as other kids take over their roles. It's no different than how the A's and Ray's have run their organizations pretty successfully for 10 years or so.
- Hemingways

I don't disagree with you at all. I think Toews and Kane deserve to be paid and will set the bar for this generation of "superstar" contracts. The next superstar to be paid will be getting close to them and it won't seem like such a crazy thing.

If my calculations are correct and I believe they are. Given a $71 million cap for next year, if the Hawks were able to move Bickell, Versteeg and Rozsival, keep TT, give a raise to Raanta ($2 mill)and Smith ($1.25 mill) they could bring in Kessler's $5 million contract, at least for next year.
- Canardhawk

You subtracted 3 and added only 1...
What are the other 2 players going to earn??

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Malkin's cap hit starting next season is $9.5 million. Ovechkin's is right around there too.

It's not out of the question to think that Toews and Kane could hit $9 to $10 million per season.
- EKolb13

And thats fully where I expected it to be

But this Bob Mckenzie talk of 10-12 per has me worried

I can't possibly see how you can give Patrick Kane more money than Correy Perry. But hey that's just me. I find the whole "Kane and Toews have to sign identical contracts" ridiculous as they do two different things. But I get it. What I don't get it is paying someone who's only cracked 30 goals twice 11+ million dollars a year. But, I don't want to ruin this whole "Stan is the cap-master's cap master" narrative…..
- yahoodi

BINGO

Exactly, which is why what Colorado is doing is stupid. They're arguing that Duchene makes $6 mil, so nobody can be paid more. They have been trying to convince both Statsny and ROR to take pay cuts to be under Duchene. Problem is, Duchene didn't just sign that deal, and he doesn't play center, so comparing his contract from a different year is not comparable. You get paid what the market will bring. Statsny was at $6.6 mil this past year, you think he doesn't get at least that on the free agent market? Of course he does, and then some, unless he takes a small discount to fit in with a team he really wants to play for.


Complaining about Toews and Kane's future salaries is like female doging there's a Rolls Royce and Ferrari taking up space in the garage. Just be glad you have them. Any other team in the NHL would take that problem anyday.

The challenge is to keep drafting well so you can keep fitting in kids on ELC's. Trade the non-core vets for prospects and picks every year as other kids take over their roles. It's no different than how the A's and Ray's have run their organizations pretty successfully for 10 years or so.
- Hemingways

This is exactly correct. Bottom six guys will be short-term Hawks. Are they going to be able to pay Krugman $3M+, or will it have to be Denault on an ELC? Any vet that gets paid, but can't play top six is going to be at risk to leave, at least until the big deals like the Twins' take up less of the cap as time goes by.