My point is, a $70 mil deal would put them both at $110 mil career earnings at the end of the new deal, and thats just salary/bonuses from playing hockey, not counting other stuff

At what point do you say, Ive already made $80 mil or whatever and I dont really need the extra $10 mil

I work in advertising and we were negotiating with Bill Murray to be an endorser of one of our events, and his agent said, "he just wants to find work he's interested in, he doesnt care about money, he's already made enough money in his life"
- FourFeathers773

Bill Murray is also 50+ years old and doesn't get hit in the head by 250 pound linebackers on skates.

I don't argue with what you're saying, but the problem is that the Union won't let them take marginal increases over where they are today. The Union NEEDS the twins to take big deals, like SteveRain said, so guys like Bolland and Vern Fiddler and Tomas Kopecky get paid.

My point is, a $70 mil deal would put them both at $110 mil career earnings at the end of the new deal, and thats just salary/bonuses from playing hockey, not counting other stuff

At what point do you say, Ive already made $80 mil or whatever and I dont really need the extra $10 mil

I work in advertising and we were negotiating with Bill Murray to be an endorser of one of our events, and his agent said, "he just wants to find work he's interested in, he doesnt care about money, he's already made enough money in his life"
- FourFeathers773

Bill Murray is also how old and the lifespan of an actor like him is how long? I don't see Toews/Kane working for as long as he is/has.

Take out 45%+ for taxes on top of your number. I don't blame anyone one bit for trying to maximize their money making potential. That $10mil puts in a real nice cushion and is a nice safety net. That is money they can use later in life, can pass on to their family once they die, etc.

I'm certainly not looking to make less money in life, I'm trying to maximize everything so I can better my life, my family's, the charities I donate to, and so many more.

People who call athletes greedy aren't looking at the whole picture or simply don't understand.

I think we are all missing a big point here....

if the guys each get 11m that means.....

STAN WILL BE FORCED TO MOVE SOME BODIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


isn't that what we all were hoping for?

I'll back this up a bit....

1. Without 19/88 this whole great rebirth of the Chicago BlackHawks never happens.
2. How much money has Wirtz made off of these 2? Jerseys, t shirt jerseys, appearances, conventions, ad time, increased revenue from tv ratings, increased revenue from new TV deals, and the beat goes on....
3. 19/88 are just entering their prime. Think about that. That should scare the hell out of anyone who is a fan of the other 29 teams.
4. Donald Fehr needs a big deal. He has a slew of 2nd and 3rd tier guys that need bumps in pay....if the cap is going to go up by X, then he wants those deals going up by that same amount. Basic economics.
5. Hometown discount? Come on....Does this even exist? Maybe in the NBA. You can point to Keith or Hossa, but those contracts are forever so when they retire early and the Hawks get whacked, tell me how great those deals were then. Hammer? Sure....but guess what if he wanted to stay on this team he had to.
6. There is no greed here. They deserve every penny and 8 for 80 million is acceptable.

I'm not a Hawks homer.... Still can't believe I was called that. I hope everyone saw that...

It's Bowman job to figure out a way to build this team around these 2 guys. Not yours. Not mine. Does this hurt things...Sure, but then again maybe you shouldn't be paying a guy like Bryan Bickell 4 million a year? This is why I caution all this Kruger love. If that guy wants a LOT of money for what he is actually worth, he will be replaced just like Bolland was.

That is also why a guy like Versteeg is NOT being traded. They need huge return on low salary guys. So as much as a clown like Zawaski wants to build up a mob to go burn and pillage Kris Verseeg, it isn't happening.

This is why everything is at a stand still for this team. Bowman is waiting on the final number and then figuring IF he can sign these 3rd and 4th tier guys to deal to help fill out a roster down the road.

This is how we feel with all these 2nd line centre rumors. We are Charlie Brown, the football is the player of the day, and Lucy is the rumor mill:

Bill Murray is also how old and the lifespan of an actor like him is how long? I don't see Toews/Kane working for as long as he is/has.

Take out 45%+ for taxes on top of your number. I don't blame anyone one bit for trying to maximize their money making potential. That $10mil puts in a real nice cushion and is a nice safety net. That is money they can use later in life, can pass on to their family once they die, etc.

I'm certainly not looking to make less money in life, I'm trying to maximize everything so I can better my life, my family's, the charities I donate to, and so many more.

People who call athletes greedy aren't looking at the whole picture or simply don't understand.
- HawkFan27

Plus whatever Brisson's take is. He's one of the top agents out there too, so it has to be a decent cut.

My point is, a $70 mil deal would put them both at $110 mil career earnings at the end of the new deal, and thats just salary/bonuses from playing hockey, not counting other stuff

At what point do you say, Ive already made $80 mil or whatever and I dont really need the extra $10 mil

I work in advertising and we were negotiating with Bill Murray to be an endorser of one of our events, and his agent said, "he just wants to find work he's interested in, he doesnt care about money, he's already made enough money in his life"
- FourFeathers773

Did Bill Murray say that back in the mid to late 80s when he was entering his prime as an actor?

NO...If Kane and Toews were 32...I see your point. They aren't. They are just entering their prime, AND AGAIN....they need to set the bar for the NHLPA to allow lower tiered guys to get paid.

This is the give and take of the world of CBAs. Owners can't keep salaries down and get all the $$.

Plus whatever Brisson's take is. He's one of the top agents out there too, so it has to be a decent cut.
- tcmoritz

I think an agent's commission is usually around 3%, which is $300,000 per year if if they sign for $10,000,000 (that's just for one contract).

I think we are all missing a big point here....

if the guys each get 11m that means.....

STAN WILL BE FORCED TO MOVE SOME BODIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


isn't that what we all were hoping for?
- ChicagoDave

Yep...and starting next year.

The big variable in that Sharp agent interview was him admitting 19/88 contract talks and probing to see how bad they were. Everyone knows what is coming.

That is why Bowman has to sell NOW on some guys to maximize return because this time next year....he'll be over a barrel due to his own doing....not Uncle Dale's

The reason why they will get more than Perry/Getzlaf doesn't have to do with how much better Kane/Toews are than those two. It has to do with Kane/Toews signing contracts after the new TV deal was announced and after revenues continue to grow. At the time, the $8.5 (around that) cap hit for Perry/Getzlaf seemed too high, now it seems like a pretty damn good deal. Same reason we are seeing Hossa/Keith with an absurdly low cap hit. These players were all signed at different times.
- HawkFan27

Exactly. It amazes me how it is so difficult for people to figure out/accept this. Way too many SPORTZ FANZ throw out the tired "they get paid too much to play a game I'd play for free" tripe whenever a big contract is signed.

SLB...ASSUMING isn't what I am looking for. Are "people in the know" suggesting 14 million per?
- kwolf68

Not per....the post above said 14 million OVER TWO years. The seven for next year is in the books (give or take a few hundred thousand). There have been numerous articles and tweets suggesting a similar increase next year. That's 14 million over two years (which is what matters when talking about the Twins' contracts, since they don't go into effect this season).

Bill Murray is also how old and the lifespan of an actor like him is how long? I don't see Toews/Kane working for as long as he is/has.

Take out 45%+ for taxes on top of your number. I don't blame anyone one bit for trying to maximize their money making potential. That $10mil puts in a real nice cushion and is a nice safety net. That is money they can use later in life, can pass on to their family once they die, etc.

I'm certainly not looking to make less money in life, I'm trying to maximize everything so I can better my life, my family's, the charities I donate to, and so many more.

People who call athletes greedy aren't looking at the whole picture or simply don't understand.
- HawkFan27

I saw a crazy thing yesterday showing the difference in the cost of living around the country, using hockey as an example. A player in L.A. would need to make $23 million a year to have the same standard of living as a player making $5 million per year in Stl.

I know houses in L.A. are insane, but holy crap.

Another thing most people do not know is that professional athletes have to file income tax returns in every state they play a game in. I have a friend who is an accountant who does several of the White Sox players' tax returns and he says it's a nightmare to do them. So playing for Florida or one of the 9 states without a state income tax only helps for home games and the handful of away games in the other 8 states. When we hear player so and so will save an extra 3 percent or whatever playing in Miami over Chicago, that's not totally accurate, that's only on half of the games, he'll still pay taxes on the various rates for all of the away games.

Exactly. It amazes me how it is so difficult for people to figure out/accept this. Way too many SPORTZ FANZ throw out the tired "they get paid too much to play a game I'd play for free" tripe whenever a big contract is signed.
- BreakoutHockey

I would play the game for the salary I make, now .... if I was actually in the NHL then I'd want as much as I could possibly sign for.

Are you serious?

My god.....more factors at play then just 19/88 being greedy. It's THE contract of this current CBA to set the parameters. Has nothing to do with 19/88 being greedy.

Jesus.
- SteveRain

It has to do with how much they want the guaranteed cash versus how much they want to win again. Pure and simple. If they command $4M additional cap hit between them than what the highest AAV now (Ovie), it's that amount less SB can spend elsewhere to balance the roster.

I don't call it greed. They [likely] want what they think their market value is at this time. That's fine. But they know and so does their agent, that SB has only so much money to work with. And no one knows for sure how the cap will go up (or go down) 3 years plus down the road.

Lastly, they also know their marketability is very high in ChiTown. It's total money they're looking at and they both know they can get millions more endorsements right here and now in ChiTown.

I won't be surprised if the amount for each averages into 8-figures cap hit but I'm going to go out on a limb right now and say $9Mx8yrs for each.

Not per....the post above said 14 million OVER TWO years. The seven for next year is in the books (give or take a few hundred thousand). There have been numerous articles and tweets suggesting a similar increase next year. That's 14 million over two years (which is what matters when talking about the Twins' contracts, since they don't go into effect this season).
- mohel

Did I miss the announcement that they have finally set the cap ceiling for next season? Is it changing or is it staying at $71.1 million?

I saw a crazy thing yesterday showing the difference in the cost of living around the country, using hockey as an example. A player in L.A. would need to make $23 million a year to have the same standard of living as a player making $5 million per year in Stl.
I know houses in L.A. are insane, but holy crap.

Another thing most people do not know is that professional athletes have to file income tax returns in every state they play a game in. I have a friend who is an accountant who does several of the White Sox players' tax returns and he says it's a nightmare to do them. So playing for Florida or one of the 9 states without a state income tax only helps for home games and the handful of away games in the other 8 states. When we hear player so and so will save an extra 3 percent or whatever playing in Miami over Chicago, that's not totally accurate, that's only on half of the games, he'll still pay taxes on the various rates for all of the away games.
- Hemingways

I would agree that the standard of living costs more but almost 5 times more I find very difficult to believe.

Did I miss the announcement that they have finally set the cap ceiling for next season? Is it changing or is it staying at $71.1 million?
- EKolb13

It hasn't been announced yet, but my guess it will be today. Teams will need to know the cap as that will impact their trade decisions on draft day. My guess is that the cap lands somewhere between $70 - $71 million.

It hasn't been announced yet, but my guess it will be today. Teams will need to know the cap as that will impact their trade decisions on draft day. My guess is that the cap lands somewhere between $70 - $71 million.
- DarthKane

Thanks for the info.

I would agree that the standard of living costs more but almost 5 times more I find very difficult to believe.
- paulr

That seems a bit much, but A) real estate prices out this way are stupid, and B) St. Louis is an arm pit.

I would venture to guess that housing prices are 2-3x more expensive in CA than St. Louis. LA is cheaper than SF, and I would say SF is at least 2x as expensive as something comparable in Chicago

The real estate market up where DarthKane is presently located is absolutely reeedonkulous. So many foreign investors coming over and dropping cash, at 10-20% over asking price for a place.

It's $10,000,000.

10MM.

TEN MILLION DOLLARS.

How many business executives, movie stars, recording artists, sports franchise owners ever willingly give up $10MM.

Only the athletes get blasted for asking for top value.
- StLBravesFan

You are 100% right, imo. One difference is the presence of the cap. Nobody begrudges the boys as much as they can get - they clearly deserve it - the worry is what it might to the team's ability to win. The bottom line is that the kids will need to produce.

There is a theory out there that they (at least Kane) would take less if a big salary 2C is acquired. This report runs counter to that, which is not at all unusual in these things. Hell, if we KNEW what would happen it would get very boring.....

I'll back this up a bit....

1. Without 19/88 this whole great rebirth of the Chicago BlackHawks never happens.
2. How much money has Wirtz made off of these 2? Jerseys, t shirt jerseys, appearances, conventions, ad time, increased revenue from tv ratings, increased revenue from new TV deals, and the beat goes on....
3. 19/88 are just entering their prime. Think about that. That should scare the hell out of anyone who is a fan of the other 29 teams.
4. Donald Fehr needs a big deal. He has a slew of 2nd and 3rd tier guys that need bumps in pay....if the cap is going to go up by X, then he wants those deals going up by that same amount. Basic economics.
5. Hometown discount? Come on....Does this even exist? Maybe in the NBA. You can point to Keith or Hossa, but those contracts are forever so when they retire early and the Hawks get whacked, tell me how great those deals were then. Hammer? Sure....but guess what if he wanted to stay on this team he had to.
6. There is no greed here. They deserve every penny and 8 for 80 million is acceptable.

I'm not a Hawks homer.... Still can't believe I was called that. I hope everyone saw that...

It's Bowman job to figure out a way to build this team around these 2 guys. Not yours. Not mine. Does this hurt things...Sure, but then again maybe you shouldn't be paying a guy like Bryan Bickell 4 million a year? This is why I caution all this Kruger love. If that guy wants a LOT of money for what he is actually worth, he will be replaced just like Bolland was.

That is also why a guy like Versteeg is NOT being traded. They need huge return on low salary guys. So as much as a clown like Zawaski wants to build up a mob to go burn and pillage Kris Verseeg, it isn't happening.

This is why everything is at a stand still for this team. Bowman is waiting on the final number and then figuring IF he can sign these 3rd and 4th tier guys to deal to help fill out a roster down the road.
- SteveRain

If you think paying Bick $4m is too much, how can you defend versteeg at $2.2m? thats not a deal - the guy is terrible. If one of the rockford kids can't replace versteeg, then the farm system is in big trouble

I would agree that the standard of living costs more but almost 5 times more I find very difficult to believe.
- paulr

Here is the post:




http://www.thehockeynews....le-for-players-and-teams/

And the website they used, although when I just plugged in Stl and LA and $5 million it says you would need to make just under $10 mil in LA to have the same standard of living, but the hockey news guy used two specific neighborhoods many of the Blues and Kings players live in. If I have time I'd like to play around with Chicago and other cities for comparison. http://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-living/

Ok...go to your boss and tell him you'll take a pay cut by 13%.

It's just money....what's the difference?
- SteveRain

From a cap hit, it's really the difference between a 39% raise and a 59% raise.

There's give and take on both sides.

I'd like to believe they're thinking something along the lines - though not identical - to how the NFL Pats managed player contracts.

Guess we'll see, eh?

Please go to Capgeek.com. We have 10 players signed for 50 MM, even if the cap is set to 80 MM next year, we'll have 12 players signed for 70 MM.

This is for 2015-16.