I'm sure Stan and sharp's agent have talked recently . But who knows what's being reported that Stan said to Curran is even true. That strong words saying Sharp's the last guy who they would trade.
- 2_8sRBettrThen1

Yes!

The more I think of it, trading for Spezza might be a better idea. Vancouver and Ottawa's needs are different; Vancouver has an old roster and needs youth, while Ottawa is very young and needs some veterans to help with the younger players. Maybe a package of Bickell, Leddy, Hayes rights (has a better chance of cracking their lineup), and a conditional draft pick (on whether Hayes signs or not) for Spezza.
- hawks2010

All that for a gut with one year left on his contract?

To add:
Trading Sharp and bringing in Kesler doesn't make the team better, for sure. Everyone going on about what a "dirt bag" Sharp is, has something in store for them if Kesler ever arrives.
- reeder16

Exactly. These types of rumors have been circulating forever. Before Sharp it was Kesler being accused of inappropriate behavior. Don't forget Ted Nolan, Eric Lindros, Shayne Corson. Someone from Colorado was accused of this last year.

Maybe these are rumors put out by teams to justify trading players.

- UnnamedSource

He may be a sage but he is an edgy one.

I'm sure Stan and sharp's agent have talked recently . But who knows what's being reported that Stan said to Curran is even true. That strong words saying Sharp's the last guy who they would trade.
- 2_8sRBettrThen1

It's bullpoop...

Wrong.

Top 6 centers >>>> top 6 wings
- mrpaulish

Usually, I would agree with this. In the exact comparison of Sharp and Kesler, neither of us know who makes the team better. I think the Hawks need to improve in the middle of the ice. I just don't want to trade Sharp for the sake of a change.

I would trade:
Shaw, Leddy, 1st and Versteeg (negative value/salary dump)

Kesler would be an upgrade over Shaw, bringing similar style of play. Kruger could slide up to 3c.
There wouldn't be a team in the league that could keep up with 3 scoring lines and a solid shut down 4th line

Usually, I would agree with this. In the exact comparison of Sharp and Kesler, neither of us know who makes the team better. I think the Hawks need to improve in the middle of the ice. I just don't want to trade Sharp for the sake of a change.

I would trade:
Shaw, Leddy, 1st and Versteeg (negative value/salary dump)

Kesler would be an upgrade over Shaw, bringing similar style of play. Kruger could slide up to 3c.
There wouldn't be a team in the league that could keep up with 3 scoring lines and a solid shut down 4th line
- reeder16

I do not like trading shaw
Yes he could stay out if the box more but HE is a unique talent on this team for sure

Sharp is a (frank)ing dirtbag

Usually, I would agree with this. In the exact comparison of Sharp and Kesler, neither of us know who makes the team better. I think the Hawks need to improve in the middle of the ice. I just don't want to trade Sharp for the sake of a change.

I would trade:
Shaw, Leddy, 1st and Versteeg (negative value/salary dump)

Kesler would be an upgrade over Shaw, bringing similar style of play. Kruger could slide up to 3c.
There wouldn't be a team in the league that could keep up with 3 scoring lines and a solid shut down 4th line
- reeder16

You just traded 4 assets for a guy who put up the same number as one of those players.

Shaw is better than Kruger. They can trade him instead.

Not sure that, other than optics, being a dirtbag is an issue. So long as the player can play, follows the game plan and doesn't allow his 'dirtbagginess' to get in the way of his game, who cares?
- paulr

I totally agree with you. I think it's irrelevant. Just making the point that Sharp isn't the only hockey player ever to have rumors floating around about off ice issues

If you don't understand the worst the Hawks can do is get the 24th pick in Rd 2 in 2015, there is no sense talking with you. It appears that you did not know this fact when you posted that Hayes has no value if he doesn't sign by Aug 15
- KingB

You are out to lunch. No team will ever give higher than that second round pick for a guy who will be a free agent in several weeks. His rights will not be traded. If you think otherwise it is not worth discussing with you.

You just traded 4 assets for a guy who put up the same number as one of those players.

Shaw is better than Kruger. They can trade him instead.
- Elbows15

Many people actually paid to scout hockey or manage NHL teams would disagree with you. Including possibly the great Stan Bowman.

You just traded 4 assets for a guy who put up the same number as one of those players.

Shaw is better than Kruger. They can trade him instead.
- Elbows15

3 assets. 1 salary dump to make it work. Now you think Leddy is an asset?
I think size is the major upgrade. Shaw at 2c and Kruger 3c, IMO would have a tough time handling bigger centres in the West. Kesler would enhance their ability roll 4 lines without worrying about matchups

3 assets. 1 salary dump to make it work. Now you think Leddy is an asset?
I think size is the major upgrade. Shaw at 2c and Kruger 3c, IMO would have a tough time handling bigger centres in the West. Kesler would enhance their ability roll 4 lines without worrying about matchups
- reeder16

whether I think Leddy or Versteeg are assets is irrelevant, Reeds. To the Hawks, they are.

I'm at the point where I just want to the Hawks to get a #2C (Kesler, Spezza, Vermette, Stasney, Richards,etc) just so I can stop reading trade proposals.

WTF does Scotty have to do with this?

Oh wait, it was Scotty who tipped the Hawks to draft KRUGER! What are you talking about?

How many goals did Rob Brown score one year? Something like 40? Jimmy Carson? Remember him? Goals? Do you realize what Kruger does on the ice?

I'm just telling you, the Hawks will put Shaw's name out there. They've walked away from the table when teams asked for Kruger. Fact.

You wanna keep going?
- John Jaeckel

Have you heard if Vancouver has any interest in Shaw?

He may be a sage but he is an edgy one.
- Elbows15

Just don't want him to do something that makes no sense.

Although one could say it makes no sense to spend hours here every nite....

WTF does Scotty have to do with this?

Oh wait, it was Scotty who tipped the Hawks to draft KRUGER! Wiz can verify. So what are you talking about?

How many goals did Rob Brown score one year? Something like 40? Jimmy Carson? Remember him? Goals? Do you realize what Kruger does on the ice?

I'm just telling you, the Hawks will put Shaw's name out there. They've walked away from the table when teams asked for Kruger. Fact.

You wanna keep going?
- John Jaeckel

I would but I have been asked not to.

Just don't want him to do something that makes no sense.

Although one could say it makes no sense to spend hours here every nite....


- StLBravesFan

Especially of late.

whether I think Leddy or Versteeg are assets is irrelevant, Reeds. To the Hawks, they are.
- Elbows15

If the Hawks made the move I suggested:
29 19 81
20 17 88
10 16 11
52 FA 28

Terravainen spends part/ most of the year in RFD Dahlbeck/ Johns replaces Leddy

The Hawks are a better team than last season and you keep your #1 prospect. Play him at wing, alleviating the pressure on him to be a 2C in his rookie season

Have you heard if Vancouver has any interest in Shaw?
- jhawk159

No, doesn't mean they don't. Point is, I HAVE heard Shaw's name included in a lot of packages the Hawks have floated over the last couple of years. NEVER Kruger's. And I know for a fact the Hawks walked away from a deal with Washington a couple of years ago when McPhee asked for Kruger.

Look, I don't hate Shaw. I like some of the things he brings. Kid works hard and has underrated hands. But he takes some dumb, dumb penalties and what he is today is all he ever will be, sort of a tweener who is better on the wing than at C.

Kruger still has upside, kid is still physically immature. Thinks the game at a very high level, 57% in the dot last year, best on the team (including JT), works tirelessly to improve, can pass the puck, and is outstanding defensively. Also a true center, not a wing playing out of position.

I would but I have been asked not to.
- Elbows15

Me too

The Great Dane!!!

I would but I have been asked not to.
- Elbows15

Fair enough. I just don't get your point about Scotty. Scotty basically discovered Kruger (for the Hawks). And I'm sorry, scoring goals is but ONE metric of a good hockey player. Lots of guys who can't play for squat over 200 feet of ice who "score goals." Watch a beer league game. LOL

No, doesn't mean they don't. Point is, I HAVE heard Shaw's name included in a lot of packages the Hawks have floated over the last couple of years. NEVER Kruger's. And I know for a fact the Hawks walked away from a deal with Washington a couple of years ago when McPhee asked for Kruger.

Look, I don't hate Shaw. I like some of the things he brings. Kid works hard and has underrated hands. But he takes some dumb, dumb penalties and what he is today is all he ever will be, sort of a tweener who is better on the wing than at C.

Kruger still has upside, kid is still physically immature. Thinks the game at a very high level, 57% in the dot last year, best on the team (including JT), works tirelessly to improve, can pass the puck, and is outstanding defensively. Also a true center, not a wing playing out of position.
- John Jaeckel

One advantage in FO% that Kruger had that JT did not is Smith took many draws on Krugers weak side