The Wings brought in lots of veterans during their Cup years, and they did trade away a fair amount of younger guys. The landscape was different then because there was no cap—so a lot of guys the Wings brought in were free agents, and that kept a lot of their prospects down in the minors longer.

Detroit let their guys marinate forever in the minors.

The cap takes away that luxury. You have to fish or cut bait sooner on your prospects. You talk about TT being a top 6 guy for the next 10-15 years. Well 15 years is a long career and maybe a stretch. But beyond that, he wasn’t remotely ready to be a top 6 guy in March, so will he be in October?

Doubtful. Or will the Hawks have taken that far enough of a step back that he is suddenly good enough? That would be a bad thing.

2nd line center in 2014-15? Why then was he not used in the 2013-14 playoffs when the Hawks desperately needed someone in that role? Qr will six months or even 12-18 months change that all that much? Or is he minimum 2 years away from being a 2C on a Cup contending team. Or is he a RW ultimately? And then, who does he replace?

The Hawks are stacked at wing and they probably lead the league in 175 pound forwards. So there is an argument that although he will be a good player, somewhere, he might not be really needed in Chicago, at least not any time soon.
- John Jaeckel

So is Stan's reluctance to trade him more about ego than brains? Is he in the mindset of "we found this guy and we aren't going to trade him"? Or is it more of "this is the guy we will replace Hossa with in 4 years and we are going to give him time to grow"?

lol

7 Years for Mr. Glass ? WOW

Someone will give Bolland 5 years . OMFG
- mrpaulish

they'll regret that by the end of October....

Kypreos on the Score right now

I'm late to this thread and haven't read my way through it....sorry if this has already been addressed.

If Gaborik is close to signing an extension with Kings, is Bowman running a risk of letting that contract set a new market or are Toews' and Kane's values and terms pretty well fixed?

they'll regret that by the end of October....
- UnnamedSource

Or when Seabs plants him on the boards at the UC... Wakey Wakey Marion!?!?

I was responding to someone saying we need to focus on he his year, not the future. Trading, I believe hurts the team big time, in 3-10 years (not the next two).

Shanahan was 26 going on 27 when he was traded, Kesler is 29 going on 30 and, at that time, head coach Scotty bowman tried to nix the trade by calling all that were involved to stop the trade. Also, Primeau wasn't nearly as highly touted as TT is.

Coffey was 35 and the prospect was in Stahlburg's situation last year. Wanted to get paid like a top player, while not putting up numbers. He did, however, have some athletic ability.
- BearsnHawks

whoa...3-10 years?!

So what you're saying is losing 1 prospect & 1 RFA roster player while getting back at least 2 of pick/prospect/RFA roster player screws the organization for the next 3-10 years?

I didn't realize this trade also included swapping SB for Gillis as well!

Or when Seabs plants him on the boards at the UC... Wakey Wakey Marion!?!?



- z1990z

So true. What's the backup plan if Toews gets another concussion and is out longer term? Is Teuvo your new center? It sure would be nice to have a Kesler in the event that happens.
- DMCsPulledHammy

What if this and what if that? We don´t know and neither do Hawks front office. You can´t forecast the future but front office is probably weighing the options what is best for the team now and in the near future. We could argue what is the best thing to do now but we don´t know what is going to happen. Trading for Kesler won´t mean Stanley Cup for sure, TT might not ever develop to productive NHL player or whatever. Nobody is right now, just have different opinions. Time will tell.

Jay Zawaski ‏@JayZawaski670 1m

. @RealKyper tells the Score that he's heard there have been discussions with the Hawks and Ottawa re: Spezza.
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Thanks buddy, means a lot because I know we've had differences of opinion, cheers!
- John Jaeckel

Speaking of differences... I too am a big fan of the rumors updates - like having a camera in the war room. Lot of stuff that doesn't come true, but that's the nature of the beast and much of the fun. In my book the differences have nothing to do with that stuff. I appreciate the info.

Jay Zawaski ‏@JayZawaski670 1m

. @RealKyper tells the Score that he's heard there have been discussions with the Hawks and Ottawa re: Spezza.
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- mrpaulish

GD noooooooo Spezza. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!

What if this and what if that? We don´t know and neither do Hawks front office. You can´t forecast the future but front office is probably weighing the options what is best for the team now and in the near future. We could argue what is the best thing to do now but we don´t know what is going to happen. Trading for Kesler won´t mean Stanley Cup for sure, TT might not ever develop to productive NHL player or whatever. Nobody is right now, just have different opinions. Time will tell.
- MjulQvist

You are absolutely right. But for me, I'd rather have the known while my Cup winning years window is still open.

I lived in Chicago, during those years, and was constantly disappointed with the team (minus the years with roenick, chelios, and belfour). What 19 year old, top prospect in their system, whom was projected to be a top 6 forward, and everyone in their organization was very high on did they trade?

I am all for the Hawks getting better and am fine if they trade Leddy, McNeil/Danault/Clendening/Nordstrom/Morin, and this years first for Kesler.

I just dont want them to trade TT in a Kesler deal and i think (i dont have sources like you, and i base this from what i have seen Stan do/say past 4 years) the hawks view TT the same way.
- BearsnHawks

And I'll just tell you, Dean Lombardi played it the other way when he dealt for Jeff Carter, didn't he? And what happened?

The Hawks clearly have a hole that needs filled—they do that and they ARE the odds on Cup favorites next year. They don't, the Kings probably are, because the Kings, at the very least, have that advantage still. AND the Kings have given other teams the textbook now for getting past Chicago.

10 years form now, Teravainen and Saad might still be around. The core of this great team today ail mostly be gone. It's about winning Cups. I just cannot agree with you that there is any better time for this franchise to do that than right now. It is just so unlikely they will be this good 10 or even 5 years from now.

GD noooooooo Spezza. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!
- z1990z

Don't worry, Kypreos doesn't have a clue.

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 33s

I believe that Gaborik's 7-yr deal is worth around $4.9 M or $5 M a year. I am working to confirm.
- mrpaulish

Imagine what the Kane and Toews extensions will look like.

Don't worry, Kypreos doesn't have clue.
- fiveandagame

He sounds "dumb" on the radio

Imagine what the Kane and Toews extensions will look like.
- fiveandagame

15 years at 12 million/season!

We say it a few times a year but this is definitely one of the times to give thanks to JJ for the work he does. Thanks.
- Hemingways

Amen

So is Stan's reluctance to trade him more about ego than brains? Is he in the mindset of "we found this guy and we aren't going to trade him"? Or is it more of "this is the guy we will replace Hossa with in 4 years and we are going to give him time to grow"?
- DMCsPulledHammy

No.

I think (just my opinion):

The Hawks make decisions as a group, slower to move, slower to even formulate an offer.

There are differing opinions within that group over the value of given assets.

Bowman loves the prospects to a fault. Q, not so much. Haha.

Could be they see him as Hossa 2.0. If so, he better put on 40 pounds of muscle, get smarter, be tough as nails, then . . . maybe.

Amen
- golfbard

No joke.. I feel like a kid going through the Pennys Christmas catalog reading this blog today. Wishing for a #2 C in our stocking..

The Wings brought in lots of veterans during their Cup years, and they did trade away a fair amount of younger guys. The landscape was different then because there was no cap—so a lot of guys the Wings brought in were free agents, and that kept a lot of their prospects down in the minors longer.

Detroit let their guys marinate forever in the minors.

The cap takes away that luxury. You have to fish or cut bait sooner on your prospects. You talk about TT being a top 6 guy for the next 10-15 years. Well 15 years is a long career and maybe a stretch. But beyond that, he wasn’t remotely ready to be a top 6 guy in March, so will he be in October?

Doubtful. Or will the Hawks have taken that far enough of a step back that he is suddenly good enough? That would be a bad thing.

2nd line center in 2014-15? Why then was he not used in the 2013-14 playoffs when the Hawks desperately needed someone in that role? Qr will six months or even 12-18 months change that all that much? Or is he minimum 2 years away from being a 2C on a Cup contending team. Or is he a RW ultimately? And then, who does he replace?

The Hawks are stacked at wing and they probably lead the league in 175 pound forwards. So there is an argument that although he will be a good player, somewhere, he might not be really needed in Chicago, at least not any time soon.
- John Jaeckel

I think TT is 1-2 years away from being an NHL regular, especially if he plays center. I just view TT and Saad as the two that will replace Sharp/Hossa as core players (not saying they are the same players or one is better than the other). If we can't sign a Statsny, or trade for a Spezza or Kesler (that doesn't include TT) i think it will be the Kane/Saad/Shaw 2nd line with both Saad and Shaw taking the draws and we will bolster the bottom two,lines with a couple vets.

He sounds "dumb" on the radio
- mrpaulish

Not his fault:

JJ any word on Shape today?

Not his fault:


- fiveandagame

LOL . Thats him ?Seen that highlight a million times.

Win today and deal with tomorrow when it comes.
- fattybeef

Win today while carefully planning for tomorrow. That's where I feel SB is going. He knows the weaknesses and strengths of the team. I believe he will attempt to make moves from his strengths. You bring up a lot of interesting points, I believe he won't throw caution to the wind on tomorrow like Dale did, but he won't sit on his hands either. We hear exactly what the Blackhawks Brass wants us to hear.