I would put his skating in the Hossa/Toews class. Graceful, fast and good in all directions.

And Hank has all those advanced degrees he loves to tell you about that separates him from the rest of us mere mortals.

Not if they sign Statsny
- BearsnHawks

Yes, that would work for sure. I do think Stastny will stay put in Denver though.

From the few games i saw of TT, on the Hawks, and from what I have heard about him on the hogs, he has been much more defensively responsible than what i thought he would be. If he is that way at the age of 19, in the Hawks system, I think he will develop into a quality 2-way player.

Stastny will be testing free agency but doesn´t mean he won´t be back with Avs. Per Sakic.

Keep telling yourself that.
- golfingsince

You show me one team with a better core than Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Seabrook, Keith and with Saad knocking on the door.

You show me one team with a better core than Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Seabrook, Keith and with Saad knocking on the door.
- paulr

Harlem Globetrotters?

I think TT is very underrated here. He is 19 years old player who has played already three years in pro level with men and has done really well in there. Was probably Finnish Leagues best player after the U20WJC and was pretty good in those games too.

We don´t know how good he will be just like with every other prospect but we do know the upside and that is huge. He´s got that amazing natural skill set which can´t be teached. He should get stronger and better playing without the puck but that could be said like every other prospect too.

If TT was in play for Kesler and that´s the centerpiece from Chicago who Benning and co wants, that trade would have been made already.
- MjulQvist

True.

I was told yesterday, Vancouver would make this deal if Teravainen was included. Chicago is resisting.

As I heard it, Vancouver prefers prospects and young players to draft picks. The notion of trading for multiple Anaheim picks, then trading that up for a higher pick all sounds great on an internet message board. But in reality, in a weak draft, it's a high-risk proposition.

If you compare the young NHL players rumored offered by Chicago and Anaheim, in spite of (again) message board stupidity and hype, Nick Leddy>>>Emerson Etem.

Leddy has 93 points in 258 NHL games, about 2 points every five games. Etem has 21 points in 67 NHL games, about 2 points every six games. Leddy is a defenseman. Etem is a wing. Leddy has his name on a Stanley Cup. Etem, not so much.

Further, Vancouver would like to help Kesler land where he wants to go, which is Chicago. Added to that Anaheim is in their division.

All these factors make this Chicago's deal to make. But Vancouver asked first for Brandon Saad, who is now untouchable. And is now asking for (or was as of 3PM yesterday) Teuvo Teravainen—who the Hawks don't want to deal.

I heard this morning Pittsburgh is involved now, offering James Neal. I don't know how true this last part of the rumor is. it also sort of begs the question why VAN would take Neal, but categorically rule out Sharp. Yes, there's an age difference, but there's also a massive experience difference in Sharp's favor.

This one can´t be labeled as a good source but some entertainig poop here:

NHLSourcesSay @NHLSourcesSay · 6 t

#BreakingNews #Ducks have offer on table for #Canucks Ryan Kesler; two 1st round picks 10th, 24th overall + top prospect. #NSS #confirmed

NHLSourcesSay @NHLSourcesSay · 6 t

#Hawks need to up offer, VAN want Tervainen + Leddy + 1st round pick. #Canucks willing to keep 50% of Kesler salary #NSS ball in CHI court

NHLSourcesSay ‏@NHLSourcesSay

#Penguins still in mix, Kesler's second choice behind #Hawks. Current offer of Sutter + Pouliot + 1st round pick not enough for #Canucks

True.

I was told yesterday, Vancouver would make this deal if Teravainen was included. Chicago is resisting.

As I heard it, Vancouver prefers prospects and young players to draft picks. The notion of trading for multiple Anaheim picks, then trading that up for a higher pick all sounds great on an internet message board. But in reality, in a weak draft, it's a high-risk proposition.

If you compare the young NHL players rumored offered by Chicago and Anaheim, in spite of (again) message board stupidity and hype, Nick Leddy>>>Emerson Etem.

Leddy has 93 points in 258 NHL games, about 2 points every five games. Etem has 21 points in 67 NHL games, about 2 points every six games. Leddy is a defenseman. Etem is a wing. Leddy has his name on a Stanley Cup. Etem, not so much.

Further, Vancouver would like to help Kesler land where he wants to go, which is Chicago. Added to that Anaheim is in their division.

All these factors make this Chicago's deal to make. But Vancouver asked first for Brandon Saad, who is now untouchable. And is now asking for (or was as of 3PM yesterday) Teuvo Teravainen—who the Hawks don't want to deal.

I heard this morning Pittsburgh is involved now, offering James Neal. I don't know how true this last part of the rumor is. it also sort of begs the question why VAN would take Neal, but categorically rule out Sharp. Yes, there's an age difference, but there's also a massive experience difference in Sharp's favor.
- John Jaeckel

I still think the Hawks can win thia trade without giving up TT . Add more prospects with a tad less upside plus a pick or two.


You got anything fresh on Sharp ?
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This one can´t be labeled as a good source but some entertainig poop here:
- MjulQvist

That kid is funny !


I think he has a buddy that works for MTL as a security guard


Never seen him break anything.


My ywo favorote breaks on this website was JJ having Hossa to the Hawks hours before anyone else and believe it or not Eklund having the Summer of 2010 Blackhawks Atlanta trade 100% correct literally3 Hours before anyone else .

If this is sort of remotely true:

NHLSourcesSay @NHLSourcesSay · 6 t

#BreakingNews #Ducks have offer on table for #Canucks Ryan Kesler; two 1st round picks 10th, 24th overall + top prospect. #NSS #confirmed


NHLSourcesSay @NHLSourcesSay · 6 t

#Hawks need to up offer, VAN want Tervainen + Leddy + 1st round pick. #Canucks willing to keep 50% of Kesler salary #NSS ball in CHI court


NHLSourcesSay ‏@NHLSourcesSay

#Penguins still in mix, Kesler's second choice behind #Hawks. Current offer of Sutter + Pouliot + 1st round pick not enough for #Canucks


Anaheim's offers by far the worst unless prospect is named Jesus On Ice Skates. Or Gretzky. It's a weak draft.

Piuttsburgh's is solid and competitive with the Hawks.

Leddy and Pouliot are comparable. Sutter and who the Hawks have probably been offering (Danault or Hartman) are comparable. In both cases, one team's asset just has more experience than the other.

Of ALL the assets actually named here, Leddy is by far the surest thing/highest upside. Pouliot CUOLD end up a better player than Leddy. But that would likely be 2-3 years away minimum. Leddy has all the tools Pouliot does and more size. There ARE valid questions about Leddy's decision-making an delay in his own end, but he has improved in those areas every year. And at 22, he is a top 4 defenseman/PP threat on just about any team in the league except maybe Chicago and 2-3 others.

Granted, Sutter is more of a sure thing than Hartman or Danault. But the best player right now =of all these guys is Nick Leddy. And he could well be 5 years from now.

That kid is funny !


I think he has a buddy that works for MTL as a security guard


Never seen him break anything.


My ywo favorote breaks on this website was JJ having Hossa to the Hawks hours before anyone else and believe it or not Eklund having the Summer of 2010 Blackhawks Atlanta trade 100% correct literally3 Hours before anyone else .
- mrpaulish

Actually, Matt, in fairness it was about an hour or 2.

True.

I was told yesterday, Vancouver would make this deal if Teravainen was included. Chicago is resisting.

As I heard it, Vancouver prefers prospects and young players to draft picks. The notion of trading for multiple Anaheim picks, then trading that up for a higher pick all sounds great on an internet message board. But in reality, in a weak draft, it's a high-risk proposition.

If you compare the young NHL players rumored offered by Chicago and Anaheim, in spite of (again) message board stupidity and hype, Nick Leddy>>>Emerson Etem.

Leddy has 93 points in 258 NHL games, about 2 points every five games. Etem has 21 points in 67 NHL games, about 2 points every six games. Leddy is a defenseman. Etem is a wing. Leddy has his name on a Stanley Cup. Etem, not so much.

Further, Vancouver would like to help Kesler land where he wants to go, which is Chicago. Added to that Anaheim is in their division.

All these factors make this Chicago's deal to make. But Vancouver asked first for Brandon Saad, who is now untouchable. And is now asking for (or was as of 3PM yesterday) Teuvo Teravainen—who the Hawks don't want to deal.

I heard this morning Pittsburgh is involved now, offering James Neal. I don't know how true this last part of the rumor is. it also sort of begs the question why VAN would take Neal, but categorically rule out Sharp. Yes, there's an age difference, but there's also a massive experience difference in Sharp's favor.
- John Jaeckel

I believe Anahiem controls the agenda when it comes to either Kesler or Spezza. They have all the firepower. Etem is a smoke screen. The guy other teams want is Devante Smith-Pelly, Anaheim is reluctant but they can make that switch. Anaheim also has the 10th pick, they don't want to give it up but they can if necessary.

I believe Anaheim gets who they want (Kesler or Spezza) when final bids are asked. They are just trying to keep the price from going out of control.

In a bidding process, all the noise usually comes from the guy trying to catch up. Notice how very quiet Anaheim is around the entire matter. They have not even made a public statement about having an interest in Kesler or Spezza.

I gotta think that the FO knows why this team lost to the Kings. Center depth. Kesler solves all of those issues and then some. If the key is TT then I think eventually Stan will include him. You can't give up real opportunities to win now. Plus, having Kesler also effects Kane's contract. Giving him what he needs/wants will go a long in getting a fair deal for him and the future of the team.

Actually, Matt, in fairness it was about an hour or 2.
- John Jaeckel

That = hour(s)

From the few games i saw of TT, on the Hawks, and from what I have heard about him on the hogs, he has been much more defensively responsible than what i thought he would be. If he is that way at the age of 19, in the Hawks system, I think he will develop into a quality 2-way player.
- BearsnHawks

Glad to see this thought expressed. I was certain some posters would agree despite others who question much about his future value.

I believe Anahiem controls the agenda when it comes to either Kesler or Spezza. They have all the firepower. Etem is a smoke screen. The guy other teams want is Devante Smith-Pelly, Anaheim is reluctant but they can make that switch. Anaheim also has the 10th pick, they don't want to give it up but they can if necessary.

I believe Anaheim gets who they want (Kesler or Spezza) when final bids are asked. They are just trying to keep the price from going out of control.

In a bidding process, all the noise usually comes from the guy trying to catch up. Notice how very quiet Anaheim is around the entire matter. They have not even made a public statement about having an interest in Kesler or Spezza.
- spatso

No team makes public statements about players under contract, it's called tampering. Oh Wait there was one team that did it .... Oh yeah the Leafs when Burke made a comment about trying to sign the sisters.

Spats,

I can't quote your post (site issues).

FWIW, you are in the minority as far as assuming Anaheim is driving the agenda. I will also just tell you, my source (who is close to this in an (ahem) meaningful way has said VAN did not really want to deal with Anaheim.

One thing not being discussed is the possibility that Bowman includes TT but gets a little extra back from VAN.

Spats,

I can't quote your post (site issues).

FWIW, you are in the minority as far as assuming Anaheim is driving the agenda. I will also just tell you, my source (who is close to this in an (ahem) meaningful way has said VAN did not really want to deal with Anaheim.
- John Jaeckel

I was going to say the same thing JJ, including site issues.

Unless Vancouver is blown away by Anaheim, why would they want to ship Kesler within the same division? And the reason why it seems Chicago's rumors are out there, is because they have one of the largest fan bases out there, and that certainly helps to drive the demand for rumors, as well as push the stories further out there. Does anyone even pay attention to Anaheim? They struggle to sellout during the playoffs as is, and that's a friggin shame.

One thing not being discussed is the possibility that Bowman includes TT but gets a little extra back from VAN.
- John Jaeckel

Hi JJ! Good stuff as usual..any idea what it could be? Draft pick? Tanev? Prospect?

@TSNBobMcKenzie: PIT and Portland GM-coach Mike Johnston are finalizing a deal that will make him Pens' next head coach. Not quite done yet but expected.

@HeyMyNameIsWill: McKenzie: "The Leafs and Bolland are not close. The Leafs are looking to get Bolland for 5-6 years at close to $4.25M per."

Another thing...how long will this Kesler trade crap linger on? Up until the draft! The entire summer? It's starting to annoy me

One thing not being discussed is the possibility that Bowman includes TT but gets a little extra back from VAN.
- John Jaeckel

I was thinking this....

Does a deal of Leddy, TT and a 1st

for

Kesler and Gaunce make sense?

or Kesler and Tanev?