We already have Elder who makes bone head plays and has alot of upside. That's all Vancouver needs is a second project on defence.

- JMD007

Hate to break two things to you:

1) Edler isn't a project. He's 28. What you see is what you get.

2) Leddy, right now, is a 5/6 defensive player in the NHL. He has a chance to be 2-4. At the age of 23, he still has room for growth.

Even if Van takes Leddy + TT + 1st, we still need to move Sharp. Leddy and Oduya will not be moved together, which means Oduya's $3.3M cap hit is still on the books. Smith, Morin, and Raanta need to be resigned, and Kessler's $5.0M results in a net increase of $2.3 when offset against Leddy's $2.7.

As of today, we have $4.6M cap space. Kessler's net, in this scenario, eats up half. We now have $2.3M to sign Smith, Morin, and Raanta. The math doesn't work. Someone still needs to be moved. And your biggest asset that you are willing to move is #10.

So you don't think VAN can just keep him then?
- WhatTheNuck

No.

They don't want a Luongo debacle all over again. And if they do? They're boneheads.

?

St. Louis is looking for a #1 center.
- spatso

Yes, but a #1 C has a different role on STL than on a team with less depth. Richards is the option with least risk and cheapest to come by imo.

Even if Van takes Leddy + TT + 1st, we still need to move Sharp. Leddy and Oduya will not be moved together, which means Oduya's $3.3M cap hit is still on the books. Smith, Morin, and Raanta need to be resigned, and Kessler's $5.0M results in a net increase of $2.3 when offset against Leddy's $2.7.

As of today, we have $4.6M cap space. Kessler's net, in this scenario, eats up half. We now have $2.3M to sign Smith, Morin, and Raanta. The math doesn't work. Someone still needs to be moved. And your biggest asset that you are willing to move is #10.
- DMCsPulledHammy

Great screen name!

I have to believe VAN would have already made that deal if it was offered. More reasonable is that TT isn't in the mix and VAN is holding out for him, versus a Bickell...interestingly, Leddy+Bickell have a higher cap hit than Kesler, so CHI really would love that deal, and I think that is likely what they will get given that CHI is basically the only trade partner...maybe the 1st goes out and Shaw or a similar player instead.
- mventres

Would fellow Hawk fans consider something like this:

To Van:
TT
Leddy
Bickell
2014 1st

To Chicago:
Kesler
Tanev
2015 2nd

Would Vancouver?

Hawks get a true #2 center, a happy Kane (hopefully lowering his salary demands), minor cap room to add a bottom six winger with size to replace Bickell, and a young dman, allowing them to bring up Dahlbeck

Canucks get a player previously compared to Kane, A big body winger, a young PMD and a 1st

Sharp-Toews-Hossa
Saad-Kesler-Kan

pretty sick top 6 for the Hawks

No. He's demanded out, and I think he will hold out later on if he's not dealt, which will hurt VAN even more. Also, they take a risk of injury or off to a bad start, which could hurt his value even more. It's too risky for VAN to hold on to him.
- mventres

I suppose you're right, but I still feel it's one of those things where Benning only makes a deal if it improves VAN in some light. Adding Bickell doesn't do that for me.

Even if Van takes Leddy + TT + 1st, we still need to move Sharp. Leddy and Oduya will not be moved together, which means Oduya's $3.3M cap hit is still on the books. Smith, Morin, and Raanta need to be resigned, and Kessler's $5.0M results in a net increase of $2.3 when offset against Leddy's $2.7.

As of today, we have $4.6M cap space. Kessler's net, in this scenario, eats up half. We now have $2.3M to sign Smith, Morin, and Raanta. The math doesn't work. Someone still needs to be moved. And your biggest asset that you are willing to move is #10.
- DMCsPulledHammy

If that were the deal, I would see if the Hawks could pull a Brouwer trade and get a first for Bickell from someone like Montreal at the draft

34, yes. However, STL is a strong team and he won't be relied upon to play big minutes. It's a good fit imo. Winning sells tickets, and I'm pretty sure people in STL are equally unaware of Spezza as they are of Richards.
- mventres

Winning in the playoffs will sell tickets for them...So u know they won all season and had a vg team but didn't have their first sellout until late December. The Hawks were in town and there were about 5,000 fans who made the trip.

Would fellow Hawk fans consider something like this:

To Van:
TT
Leddy
Bickell
2014 1st

To Chicago:
Kesler
Tanev
2015 2nd

Would Vancouver?

Hawks get a true #2 center, a happy Kane (hopefully lowering his salary demands), minor cap room to add a bottom six winger with size to replace Bickell, and a young dman, allowing them to bring up Dahlbeck

Canucks get a player previously compared to Kane, A big body winger, a young PMD and a 1st

Sharp-Toews-Hossa
Saad-Kesler-Kan

pretty sick top 6 for the Hawks
- ikeane

I don't like that deal, but that's me.

Would fellow Hawk fans consider something like this:

To Van:
TT
Leddy
Bickell
2014 1st

To Chicago:
Kesler
Tanev
2015 2nd

Would Vancouver?

Hawks get a true #2 center, a happy Kane (hopefully lowering his salary demands), minor cap room to add a bottom six winger with size to replace Bickell, and a young dman, allowing them to bring up Dahlbeck

Canucks get a player previously compared to Kane, A big body winger, a young PMD and a 1st

Sharp-Toews-Hossa
Saad-Kesler-Kan

pretty sick top 6 for the Hawks
- ikeane

Pretty sure that would work for VAN, I'm not sold on CHI though. VAN has no bargaining power here. I was CHI and offered this I would reply: No, Bickell+Leddy+1st or Shaw. If you don't like it, we'll move on to a different option.

If that were the deal, I would see if the Hawks could pull a Brouwer trade and get a first for Bickell from someone like Montreal at the draft
- ikeane

That would open space but who replaces Bickell?

I suppose you're right, but I still feel it's one of those things where Benning only makes a deal if it improves VAN in some light. Adding Bickell doesn't do that for me.
- WhatTheNuck

I think it does improve VAN. I'd try for Shaw + Bickell + 1st if I was VAN though. CHI likely won't find it too hard to find a team to trade a pick for Leddy.

Pretty sure that would work for VAN, I'm not sold on CHI though. VAN has no bargaining power here. I was CHI and offered this I would reply: No, Bickell+Leddy+1st or Shaw. If you don't like it, we'll move on to a different option.
- mventres

What other option? That's where I wonder who would fit better in Chicago than Kesler? Kane has admittedly wanted to play with Kesler. Spezza will get eaten in the West and Richards is not the guy either. Who's left? Thornton? Maybe Stastny?

What other option? That's where I wonder who would fit better in Chicago than Kesler? Kane has admittedly wanted to play with Kesler. Spezza will get eaten in the West and Richards is not the guy either. Who's left? Thornton? Maybe Stastny?
- WhatTheNuck

Yeah, Stastny is a good UFA option. Otherwise, there are options out there that aren't in the rumor mill...maybe they aren't as good as Kesler, but they are reasonable options that cost CHI less to acquire. Each day that goes by past the draft VAN loses more and more power...they are just trying to increase the offer as much as they can until the draft. After the draft, they lose out picks this year, and teams start to use up their cap space...

Do you know of any roadway/highway signs that are specifically in Spanish in Chicago? I don't

In fact, that photo was taken at the World Cup.
- CaptainBlackhawk

Interesting that he has a Chicago Fire hat on, although that could have been the other guy's hat.

That would open space but who replaces Bickell?
- Al

Based on his absentee status during the regular season, I would suggest an UFA like Pouliot from the Rangers, someone to play third line LW, since in this scenario would allow the Hawks to keep Sharp and Saad for the top 2 lines

Interesting that he has a Chicago Fire hat on, although that could have been the other guy's hat.
- howiehandles

Other guy's hat.

Yeah, Stastny is a good UFA option. Otherwise, there are options out there that aren't in the rumor mill...
- mventres

I still think Kesler is the strongest fit from a Chicago stand point. He has played in the west his entire career and has the grit, skill and heart to fit well chemistry wise too. UFA's are always hard targets especially with the lack of cap space on the team that wants one.

This is what I've heard (from someone who'd know—I'll leave it at that):

UNTOUCHABLE

Kane
Toews
Saad

NEAR UNTOUCHABLE

Hossa
Seabrook
Hee-jalmersson


MAKE ME AN OFFER, BUT

Kruger
Shaw
TT
Crawford


LET'S TALK

Bickell


BEING SHOPPED

Oduya (or Leddy, but both will not be dealt)
Sharp
- John Jaeckel

Figure Keith is on the untouchable shelf.

Could this a realistic proposal in a trade for Kesler? (who I don't want BTW)

Leddy 2.7m
Shaw 2m
1st 2014, 3rd 2014
Versteeg 2.2m

The Canucks have enough cap space to take on Versteeg's cap hit.

Projected lineup

29 19 81
20 17 88
10 16 11
52 70 28
Let TT marinade in RFD for half the season
What do you guys think?

Could this a realistic proposal in a trade for Kesler? (who I don't want BTW)

Leddy 2.7m
Shaw 2m
1st 2014, 3rd 2014
Versteeg 2.2m

The Canucks have enough cap space to take on Versteeg's cap hit.

Projected lineup

29 19 81
20 17 88
10 16 11
52 70 28
Let TT marinade in RFD for half the season
What do you guys think?
- reeder16

Ummm... yeah... that is way overpaying.

Could this a realistic proposal in a trade for Kesler? (who I don't want BTW)

Leddy 2.7m
Shaw 2m
1st 2014, 3rd 2014
Versteeg 2.2m

The Canucks have enough cap space to take on Versteeg's cap hit.

Projected lineup

29 19 81
20 17 88
10 16 11
52 70 28
Let TT marinade in RFD for half the season
What do you guys think?
- reeder16

I would rather have a hard charger like Shaw at $2 mil on the Hawks than a big body floater at $4 mil like Bickell in Chicago

Sutter puloit and our 22nd first pick Crosby Malkin kesler gibbons as centers scary
- Palmer117

Doubt the Canucks want Sutter. They'd want Gibbons

I suppose you're right, but I still feel it's one of those things where Benning only makes a deal if it improves VAN in some light. Adding Bickell doesn't do that for me.
- WhatTheNuck

You've seen Bickell play then.