TT (who isn't a slam dunk just quite yet and does not fit the size of a center I would like to see on the 2nd line with Kane) Leddy ( Whom you may not want to resign for big bucks nor have the funds to do so ) and a late 1st rounder ( which is almost like giving up a 2nd round pick ) is what I would move to acquire Kesler... ecspecialy If Kane is going to give us a bit of a discount to bring over his buddy. Do it in a heartbeat!

Someone has a new post up that Lindros is the greatest player in NHL history, by far.
- Hemingways

Same someone that said Phaneuf is the most underrated player in the league?

To the Batmobile!

Do you know of any roadway/highway signs that are specifically in Spanish in Chicago? I don't

In fact, that photo was taken at the World Cup.
- CaptainBlackhawk

That's what I thought. Then I noticed everyone with the Chicago Fire hats and jerseys. So I looked up the Fire's schedule since that appears to be a stadium in the background. The Fire played at home the 18th and not at home again until the 25th. And I still doubt that's the Toyota stadium or whatever it's called they play in.

So you're saying the #10 pick (in a Weak draft) and a possibility to package it to move up is more attractive than Leddy and/or Teravainen? Not sure I agree.

And is Anaheim on Kesler's list? No one has answered this yet. If not, then you know why Anaheim is hot for Spezza. At least, you should know.
- John Jaeckel

No, that is what is curios. Anahiem has everything Ottawa wants and the prevailing opinion is that St. Louis will close the deal for Spezza. I think Anahiem believes they have the horses to get either deal done. My guess, they prefer Kesler.

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Kesler hanging out in Chicago already?

Brazil, World Cup. Hanging with some Chicago Fire fans.

So you're saying the #10 pick (in a Weak draft) and a possibility to package it to move up is more attractive than Leddy and/or Teravainen? Not sure I agree.

And is Anaheim on Kesler's list? No one has answered this yet. If not, then you know why Anaheim is hot for Spezza. At least, you should know.
- John Jaeckel

I agree with JJ here. Canucks trade for Leddy, TT and their first. With Leddy in the fold, we can trade Edler or Garrison for youth and try to sign one of the free agent centers and we are in a good position. They could try and use Chicago's pick to trade up in the draft etc. This trade gives the Canucks options. I would rather have TT than a 7th or worse draft pick in this years draft. We need prospects that are close to playing not 2-3 year projects.

Brazil, World Cup. Hanging with some Chicago Fire fans.
- Lido_Shuffle

There you go.

No, that is what is curios. Anahiem has everything Ottawa wants and the prevailing opinion is that St. Louis will close the deal for Spezza. I think Anahiem believes they have the horses to get either deal done. My guess, they prefer Kesler.
- spatso

I just checked Etem's stats. Sorry, I know the kid has some wheels, but you guys need to watch some tape on Teravainen for exampleassuming he is—like I've heard—in an offer.

You are putting a lot of stock in draft picks in a weak draft, and the lottery ticket possibility of a trade up.

And anyone getting hung up on a Chicago/VAN rivalry is living in 2011.

I agree with JJ here. Canucks trade for Leddy, TT and their first. With Leddy in the fold, we can trade Edler or Garrison for youth and try to sign one of the free agent centers and we are in a good position. They could try and use Chicago's pick to trade up in the draft etc. This trade gives the Canucks options. I would rather have TT than a 7th or worse draft pick in this years draft. We need prospects that are close to playing not 2-3 year projects.
- Greenbacks1975

BINGO, and I think that's why the Nucks came back to the table.

Not to mention guys like Danault or McNeill who will likely be serviceable if not good 3rd line players in 2-3 years.

That's what I thought. Then I noticed everyone with the Chicago Fire hats and jerseys. So I looked up the Fire's schedule since that appears to be a stadium in the background. The Fire played at home the 18th and not at home again until the 25th. And I still doubt that's the Toyota stadium or whatever it's called they play in.
- Hemingways

Look at the picture in the back. It's at the World Cup.

There you go.
- Hemingways

I agree Chicago's the best fit for both sides and with the right assets, but I highly doubt we move Garrison or Edler. We need a scoring winger that is on the rise. TT could be that guy but is still on the up without proving much.

I wish the Hawks had practice today so we could who was being held out of practice !!!

I can see TT, Leddy and the Hawks 1st for Kesler and a prospect or a later pick. And i don't see any other teams out there offering better. You're talking 2 likely top 6/top 4 players. I mean Leddy is a top 4 guy on a lot of teams right now, even with his mental/maturity deficiencies. And maybe very good top 6/top 4 players.
- John Jaeckel

Not a bad package but question is whether they will want a bigger name, a more proven player than Leddy along with TT+. The other suspicion I have is TT is almost untouchable and is highly valued by the front office....Maybe too much so??

I have been more in Leddy's corner than not over the years and it is often a mistake to sell a young defenseman short but...

It is obvious to everyone around the league Leddy has trouble when he plays the best teams because they usually forecheck the best.

That's why he doesn't play much in later rounds and it is also clear Q thinks of him as a liability in those situations.

So imo his value isn't higher than it was last summer...it's less, but there will still be many teams that will take a chance he is going to be a top 4 or even a top 3 dman on a good team someday.

I guess that is a long winded way of saying others will present a better package.

Leddy, TT and a late first is reasonable..
- Beaver-Warrior

I have to believe VAN would have already made that deal if it was offered. More reasonable is that TT isn't in the mix and VAN is holding out for him, versus a Bickell...interestingly, Leddy+Bickell have a higher cap hit than Kesler, so CHI really would love that deal, and I think that is likely what they will get given that CHI is basically the only trade partner...maybe the 1st goes out and Shaw or a similar player instead.

No, that is what is curios. Anahiem has everything Ottawa wants and the prevailing opinion is that St. Louis will close the deal for Spezza. I think Anahiem believes they have the horses to get either deal done. My guess, they prefer Kesler.
- spatso

The Blues need Spezza more than the others but...
Spezza has never relished being the #1 guy...Not sure he wouldn't want to be in a place where he is surrounded by top players so he can fit nicely into the 2nd line....And that's not St. Louis.

The Blues need Spezza more than the others but...
Spezza has never relished being the #1 guy...Not sure he wouldn't want to be in a place where he is surrounded by top players so he can fit nicely into the 2nd line....And that's not St. Louis.
- Al

I think Richards makes more sense than Spezza. Firstly, he's on a buy out and may come very cheap if he wants to play on a strong cup contender. Secondly, he costs Stl no roster players or picks. Thirdly, he has a better health history than Spezza. Lastly, he has won cup before and has a lot of playoff and leadership experience.

I have to believe VAN would have already made that deal if it was offered. More reasonable is that TT isn't in the mix and VAN is holding out for him, versus a Bickell...interestingly, Leddy+Bickell have a higher cap hit than Kesler, so CHI really would love that deal, and I think that is likely what they will get given that CHI is basically the only trade partner...maybe the 1st goes out and Shaw or a similar player instead.
- mventres

I don't think Leddy & Bickell get it done. That would make VAN down a 2C and have less cap room to sign one.

I think Richards makes more sense than Spezza. Firstly, he's on a buy out and may come very cheap if he wants to play on a strong cup contender. Secondly, he costs Stl no roster players or picks. Thirdly, he has a better health history than Spezza. Lastly, he has won cup before and has a lot of playoff and leadership experience.
- mventres

We will see but you forgot the part about Richards being 34 and never really producing to expectations the last few years....He was a 4th line player in NY at times...The Blues need to sell tickets and score, not the guy I would rest my hopes on.

That said, if I were them not sure I would be all in on Spezza either as I explained earlier.

I don't think Leddy & Bickell get it done. That would make VAN down a 2C and have less cap room to sign one.
- WhatTheNuck

I didn't say that, I said Leddy + Bickell + either a 1st or player like Shaw. VAN doesn't hold much power in this situation as Kesler has limited things to 2 teams, one of which is not likely to make an offer (PIT).

I didn't say that, I said Leddy + Bickell + either a 1st or player like Shaw. VAN doesn't hold much power in this situation as Kesler has limited things to 2 teams, one of which is not likely to make an offer (PIT).
- mventres

So you don't think VAN can just keep him then?

We will see but you forgot the part about Richards being 34 and never really producing to expectations the last few years....He was a 4th line player in NY at times...The Blues need to sell tickets and score, not the guy I would rest my hopes on.

That said, if I were them not sure I would be all in on Spezza either as I explained earlier.
- Al

34, yes. However, STL is a strong team and he won't be relied upon to play big minutes. It's a good fit imo. Winning sells tickets, and I'm pretty sure people in STL are equally unaware of Spezza as they are of Richards.

Shaw and Leddy and a later pick I could see. You guys seem to think Leddy is just a bag of crap. Granted, he makes some bonehead plays but there is a LOT of upside there and he ain't terrible now.
- John Jaeckel

We already have Elder who makes bone head plays and has alot of upside. That's all Vancouver needs is a second project on defence.

So you don't think VAN can just keep him then?
- WhatTheNuck

No. He's demanded out, and I think he will hold out later on if he's not dealt, which will hurt VAN even more. Also, they take a risk of injury or off to a bad start, which could hurt his value even more. It's too risky for VAN to hold on to him.

We already have Elder who makes bone head plays and has alot of upside. That's all Vancouver needs is a second project on defence.

- JMD007

You may not have much of a choice!

34, yes. However, STL is a strong team and he won't be relied upon to play big minutes. It's a good fit imo. Winning sells tickets, and I'm pretty sure people in STL are equally unaware of Spezza as they are of Richards.
- mventres

?

St. Louis is looking for a #1 center.