Leadership, experience, and eventual rental return value, considering that if they claimed him on waivers, they would have to give up nothing to get him.

It's a moot point though, because he's not getting bought out.
- tkecanuck341

So you think the 2 time Cup Winning former Flyer and King will be happy in Calgary and Buffalo........

So if Dave Bolland....who hasn't played a full season in five years gets 5 million per....you think Stoll gets 4???? You going to give Justin Williams at the age of 34 Dustin Brown money???? Yikes......
- UnnamedSource

Yes, just because your GM overpays doesn't mean that ours has to. And yes, after several full seasons of being one of the best possession players in the league and winning a Conn Smythe trophy, I'm pretty much ready to give Justin Williams $6 million and a reach around.

So you think the 2 time Cup Winning former Flyer and King will be happy in Calgary and Buffalo........
- UnnamedSource

Absolutely not, but such is the tragedy of not having a NMC. I'm not saying that they should do this, only that there would be interest on the waiver market if LA were even considering buying him out, which they are not.

its been raining all night here...
- UnnamedSource

I'm ok with rain. Hail and 50 mph winds make me kick into self preservation mode.

Yes, just because your GM overpays doesn't mean that ours has to. And yes, after several full seasons of being one of the best possession players in the league and winning a Conn Smythe trophy, I'm pretty much ready to give Justin Williams $6 million and a reach around.
- tkecanuck341

Okay....now you're making my points for me.....let's dissect.....

Our GM overpays???? NO he doesn't but someone will this offseason and pay Bolland 5 million or more......thus becoming the market for a third line center which Stoll is.......are you following along??

Doesn't mean that our GM will???......but then you say give Williams Dustin Brown money at the age of 34.......are we officially in the endless circle of debate yet????

I'm ok with rain. Hail and 50 mph winds make me kick into self preservation mode.
- Ogilthorpe2

What about the paying customers?

You're probably right.....but he should.....and if Lombardi doesn't that means he's fallen in love with his players....which is a huge mistake.
- UnnamedSource

Kings without Richards, 45 years, 0 Stanley Cups
Kings with Richards, 3 years, 2 Stanley Cups

I'd be in love with the players if I were Lombardi.

I'm ok with rain. Hail and 50 mph winds make me kick into self preservation mode.
- Ogilthorpe2

eek.....have a drink!

Kings without Richards, 45 years, 0 Stanley Cups
Kings with Richards, 3 years, 2 Stanley Cups

I'd be in love with the players if I were Lombardi.
- tkecanuck341

Sigh.........

Alright time for bed....

I will go to be with thoughts of Jarrett Stoll only taking a 750k increase in pay when his contract is up after this year...

Justin Williams needs Dustin Brown money at the age of 34.

Mike Richards shouldn't be bought out because he will be the best 4th line center in the game making 5.75 million per year...for the next five years......and if he is ever willing to be traded Calgary and Buffalo will open their hearts and wallets to pay him the rest of his contract while he sits happy on the bench knowing his seasons will end the first week of April.....

....and we should fear the kings???

Sweet Dreams

What about the paying customers?
- Elbows15

If I get there ok, so will they.

Alright time for bed....

I will go to be with thoughts of Jarrett Stoll only taking a 750k increase in pay when his contract is up after this year...

Justin Williams needs Dustin Brown money at the age of 34.

Mike Richards shouldn't be bought out because he will be the best 4th line center in the game making 5.75 million per year...for the next five years......and if he is ever willing to be traded Calgary and Buffalo will open their hearts and wallets to pay him the rest of his contract while he sits happy on the bench knowing his seasons will end the first week of April.....

....and we should fear the kings???

Sweet Dreams
- UnnamedSource

G'night buttercup

G'night buttercup
- Ogilthorpe2

Okay....now you're making my points for me.....let's dissect.....

Our GM overpays???? NO he doesn't but someone will this offseason and pay Bolland 5 million or more......thus becoming the market for a third line center which Stoll is.......are you following along??

Doesn't mean that our GM will???......but then you say give Williams Dustin Brown money at the age of 34.......are we officially in the endless circle of debate yet????
- UnnamedSource

No, you're missing my point.

First, let's go back and take a look at the past 30yo+ players who won the Conn Smythe from the last 15 years and see how much they made on their next contracts.

Scott Niedermeyer - $6.5 mil
Tim Thomas - $6 mil
Nick Lidstrom - $7.6 mil
Patrick Roy - $8.5 mil
Scott Stevens - $6.9 mil

You pay the player based on what he has done for you lately. Justin Williams has been one of the best players on the team in all facets of the game. You don't have to sign him for 8 years, but you pay the man what he's worth. $5.8 mil/season for 2-3 seasons is not unreasonable for the MVP on a cup winning team.

At this point, Stoll and Richards are fighting for the same spot in the lineup. If I had to choose one for my team, I'd take Richards in a heartbeat, especially if their contract values are in the same neighborhood. Stoll is a solid 3C, but I don't see Lombardi offering him $5+ million, otherwise we're one "bad" season away from being in the same boat we are currently in with Richards. Paying over $5 mil for an underperforming 3rd line center.

If I get there ok, so will they.
- Ogilthorpe2

Company motto?

Alright time for bed....

I will go to be with thoughts of Jarrett Stoll only taking a 750k increase in pay when his contract is up after this year...

Justin Williams needs Dustin Brown money at the age of 34.

Mike Richards shouldn't be bought out because he will be the best 4th line center in the game making 5.75 million per year...for the next five years......and if he is ever willing to be traded Calgary and Buffalo will open their hearts and wallets to pay him the rest of his contract while he sits happy on the bench knowing his seasons will end the first week of April.....

....and we should fear the kings???

Sweet Dreams
- UnnamedSource

Yeah whatever. Make sure Frans gets a hatty.

I don't even know how we got here. I just came to say that Mike Richards might be available for trade if you guys are looking for a new 2C.

I don't even know how we got here. I just came to say that Mike Richards might be available for trade if you guys are looking for a new 2C.
- tkecanuck341

Oh, No thanks. It would involve having to move better players than he is. See how easy that was.

No, you're missing my point.

First, let's go back and take a look at the past 30yo+ players who won the Conn Smythe from the last 15 years and see how much they made on their next contracts.

Scott Niedermeyer - $6.5 mil
Tim Thomas - $6 mil
Nick Lidstrom - $7.6 mil
Patrick Roy - $8.5 mil
Scott Stevens - $6.9 mil

You pay the player based on what he has done for you lately. Justin Williams has been one of the best players on the team in all facets of the game. You don't have to sign him for 8 years, but you pay the man what he's worth. $5.8 mil/season for 2-3 seasons is not unreasonable for the MVP on a cup winning team.

At this point, Stoll and Richards are fighting for the same spot in the lineup. If I had to choose one for my team, I'd take Richards in a heartbeat, especially if their contract values are in the same neighborhood. Stoll is a solid 3C, but I don't see Lombardi offering him $5+ million, otherwise we're one "bad" season away from being in the same boat we are currently in with Richards. Paying over $5 mil for an underperforming 3rd line center.
- tkecanuck341

Oh I get the point and as a Blackhawk fan I hope you're right and the Kings pay Justin Williams over 6 million on 3-5 year contract of which during the first year of that contract he will be 34.....fingers crossed...

Secondly don't ever compare Justin Williams to 5 hall of famers and claim all things being equal he should be paid what is comparable to what those guys made for winning the conn smythe.....

Finally......take richards instead of Stoll.........you obviously weren't paying attention during the WCF's because if you were you would've realized Stoll killed us at the dot and was a huge factor against us in the series.....

I nominate you to replace Lombardi....


Good night fellas.....

Oh I get the point and as a Blackhawk fan I hope you're right and the Kings pay Justin Williams over 6 million on 3-5 year contract of which during the first year of that contract he will be 34.....fingers crossed...

Secondly don't ever compare Justin Williams to 5 hall of famers and claim all things being equal he should be paid what is comparable to what those guys made for winning the conn smythe.....

Finally......take richards instead of Stoll.........you obviously weren't paying attention during the WCF's because if you were you would've realized Stoll killed us at the dot and was a huge factor against us in the series.....

I nominate you to replace Lombardi....


Good night fellas.....
- UnnamedSource

Let's go over all the places where you made stuff up.

I said Williams should be given Dustin Brown money over 2-3 seasons. Brown makes $5.875 mil per season. I don't know how that translated into "more than $6 million over 3-5 years."

I never said that Williams should be given comparable money to Hall of Fame players (Tim Thomas won't be in the HOF, nice try though). My point was that older players were given huge contracts after they won the Conn Smythe, despite their age. I don't think Williams should make Lidstrom or Roy money. I do think he should make Brown money.

Stoll won 54% of his draws this season, Richards won 53% of his draws. The Kings were the #1 faceoff team in the NHL this season, due to the faceoff prowess of ALL their centers. I agree that Stoll played better than Richards in the Chicago series. Richards played better than Stoll in the New York series. One series does not an all-star player make. They are both great players. I would like to keep both of them. If I had to choose one of them for comparable money, I'd take Richards over Stoll.

Anything else?

Had to completely overhaul over 50% of the roster...he built it.
- UnnamedSource

I agree...He....They...whoever...Identified a core....and kept them together...and then built around them....I'm with you, he built the 2nd Cup team...Him and his daddy most likely had a lot to do with the roster...at least that is what I got from all the the unamed sources like you US

The board does the "Bowman has no stones" cheer every off season.....Most of those who engage in the cheer suffer from short term memory loss.

Remember just a few years ago the love and virtue bestowed upon one Paul holmgren after he traded two key players from the flyers cup challenging team......there were a lot comments comparing him to bowman. ....my personal favorite...."I Wish he was our GM"......funny thing happened after that trade. ....Their coach was fired and the two players he traded...Mike Richards and Jeff Carter have won two cups......just not with flyers. ...who haven't had a sniff of the cup since that trade. So again....The Bowmans know what they're doing and have the recent success proving why we should be confident....they may not make the trades we want but they do the things the hawks need....so until they struggle to make the playoffs, make bad FA signings, and run their team into the ground I will still believe they know the correct path this team needs to be on.....and once again...MCD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOCKEY MOVES......
- UnnamedSource

Some people want a GM to make a move for the sake of making a move....And that is why people love Holmgrem and Shero and those types...They call them aggressive GMs...I call them GMs making moves for the sake of making moves....This team does not need an overhaul....what it does need is 1 or 2 bottom 6 players that can skate and play the game effectively...which will in turn have a domino affect on the rest of the roster

I don't even know how we got here. I just came to say that Mike Richards might be available for trade if you guys are looking for a new 2C.
- tkecanuck341

Sure, as long as the Kings retain 30% salary and take Roszival, Verteeg and Chicago's 1st for him

Sure, as long as the Kings retain 30% salary and take Roszival, Verteeg and Chicago's 1st for him
- ikeane

If the Kings buy Richards out as rumoured, and depending on his salary and term request, he may be the best solution. That way the Hawks don't give anything up to aquire him and can make seperate deals to bring in some depth forwards, preferably one of them being a center as well.

If the Kings buy Richards out as rumoured, and depending on his salary and term request, he may be the best solution. That way the Hawks don't give anything up to aquire him and can make seperate deals to bring in some depth forwards, preferably one of them being a center as well.
- paulr

Had a similar thought. Depending upon what he'd take and how much the cap goes up, a core player not named Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Hammer, Bickell, Seabs, or Saad may still need to be dealt; unless the Hawks find a taker for Rozy and Versteeg.

Then they may be able to get away with only having to trade 8/27 or find some depth guys in the FA pool.