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ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 18 @ 10:58 PM ET
just finished

i feel i shouldnt post it here because you have entered the challenge

- Crimsoninja


Parker at #3.

You've been warned.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 18 @ 10:58 PM ET
I bring up Ghost because of his family being from FLA, his national exposure in the Frozen Four, and long-term a replacement for Campbell.

I guess my basic premise is if Ekblad is considered a true blue chip defensive prospect, a high price shouldn't be a deterent, especially for this organization. Of course, he better turn out to be Doughty and not become another Bogosian. To your point, what would be a fair draft pick exchanged? A 4th in this year's draft?

- ravishingone


You're giving up 2 roster players, a top prospect and a 1st round pick. Thats pretty much the package you give up for a legit #1 defenseman.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 18 @ 11:00 PM ET
IT RAN AWAY FROM THE AWESOMENESS OF THE GOAT
- Giroux_Is_God


ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:02 PM ET
You're giving up 2 roster players, a top prospect and a 1st round pick. Thats pretty much the package you give up for a legit #1 defenseman.
- PhillySportsGuy


I am the last guy to give an opinion on evaluating what a prospect will become at the NHL. However, if Hexy evaluates Ekblad is that guy, you have to pay the price. As we've seen, guys in the NHL who are legitimate #1's or darn close just aren't available unless they're on the wrong side of 30. From what I've read, Ekblad will probably be playing in the NHL, so you would be getting a top 6 d-man for the upcoming season.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 18 @ 11:03 PM ET

- PhillySportsGuy

yup still failed.

I even copied think link you tried to paste and get a white screen.

Something about soldiers, a bomb, and a funny fail
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jun 18 @ 11:04 PM ET
yup still failed.

I even copied think link you tried to paste and get a white screen.

Something about soldiers, a bomb, and a funny fail

- Giroux_Is_God


Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 18 @ 11:04 PM ET

- PhillySportsGuy

HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 18 @ 11:04 PM ET
I am the last guy to give an opinion on evaluating what a prospect will become at the NHL. However, if Hexy evaluates Ekblad is that guy, you have to pay the price. As we've seen, guys in the NHL who are legitimate #1's or darn close just aren't available unless they're on the wrong side of 30. From what I've read, Ekblad will probably be playing in the NHL, so you would be getting a top 6 d-man for the upcoming season.
- ravishingone


You can't give up that kind of package for a prospect. That kind of package could bring in a guy like Subban
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 18 @ 11:04 PM ET
You're giving up 2 roster players, a top prospect and a 1st round pick. Thats pretty much the package you give up for a legit #1 defenseman.
- PhillySportsGuy


It is indeed. Of course, if Ekblad does reach what some believe is his potential, it'll be worth it.

Russ Cohen who co-hosts a prospects show on XM radio and writes about the draft at sportsology.com feels that Ekblad could be better than Jones. It's obvious just one opinion, but even if he doesn't reach the full potential, he's seen as a safe bet to be a solid NHLer at worst.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 18 @ 11:06 PM ET
HOW DOES THAT MAKE YOU FEEL
- Giroux_Is_God


Why is this happening?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 18 @ 11:06 PM ET
It is indeed. Of course, if Ekblad does reach what some believe is his potential, it'll be worth it.

Russ Cohen who co-hosts a prospects show on XM radio and writes about the draft at sportsology.com feels that Ekblad could be better than Jones. It's obvious just one opinion, but even if he doesn't reach the full potential, he's seen as a safe bet to be a solid NHLer at worst.

- Jsaquella

His beard though
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 18 @ 11:07 PM ET

- PhillySportsGuy



0/4

Must be issues with the "themetapicture" domain.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 18 @ 11:08 PM ET
It is indeed. Of course, if Ekblad does reach what some believe is his potential, it'll be worth it.

Russ Cohen who co-hosts a prospects show on XM radio and writes about the draft at sportsology.com feels that Ekblad could be better than Jones. It's obvious just one opinion, but even if he doesn't reach the full potential, he's seen as a safe bet to be a solid NHLer at worst.

- Jsaquella


I would need a more proven player to part with that kind of package. Every prospect is a roll of the dice.

I would trade that package for McDavid, but I would have a hard time trading that package for a defensive prospect.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:08 PM ET
You can't give up that kind of package for a prospect. That kind of package could bring in a guy like Subban
- PhillySportsGuy



PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 18 @ 11:09 PM ET


0/4

Must be issues with the "themetapicture" domain.

- Giroux_Is_God


I'm not happy about this
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 18 @ 11:10 PM ET
His beard though
- Giroux_Is_God


Oh, that...that thing is Weber-esque
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:11 PM ET
You can't give up that kind of package for a prospect. That kind of package could bring in a guy like Subban
- PhillySportsGuy


When in the last 20 years has that deal been accomplished to get a franchise d-man in his prime? I can't think of an example outside of Phaneuf (Toronto gave up garbage)and Johnson. I agree the risk is very, very high, but you have to trust your scouting staff that they'll be right.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Jun 18 @ 11:12 PM ET
Oh, that...that thing is Weber-esque
- Jsaquella

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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 18 @ 11:12 PM ET
I would need a more proven player to part with that kind of package. Every prospect is a roll of the dice.

I would trade that package for McDavid, but I would have a hard time trading that package for a defensive prospect.

- PhillySportsGuy


I doubt the Schenns, Gostisbehere & 17 get you PK, but I understand your point. I'd very much prefer a proven, but young, NHLer.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 18 @ 11:13 PM ET
When in the last 20 years has that deal been accomplished to get a franchise d-man in his prime? I can't think of an example outside of Phaneuf (Toronto gave up garbage). I agree the risk is very, very high, but you have to trust your scouting staff that they'll be right.
- ravishingone


That's a good counterpoint.

Also, Ekblad saves you some cap room for at least a couple years
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 18 @ 11:18 PM ET
I would need a more proven player to part with that kind of package. Every prospect is a roll of the dice.

I would trade that package for McDavid, but I would have a hard time trading that package for a defensive prospect.

- PhillySportsGuy



yeah - erik johnson, eric gudbranson, and kyle alzner come to mind. too risky
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:18 PM ET
That's a good counterpoint.

Also, Ekblad saves you some cap room for at least a couple years

- Jsaquella


The risk is ridiculously high. In fact, Hexy's career as GM will be pretty much defined with such a move. However, I contend with the value placed on true franchise d-men, the only realistic way to acquire one is to draft one. Certainly, an exception could occur, but it is so few and far between.
pmwlker
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 11.05.2013

Jun 18 @ 11:26 PM ET
Vinny and Grossman for Campbell
- mochoson




How bout Vinny and Grossman to Dallas for.......
They need a second line center and Grosman played well there before. Maybe??
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 18 @ 11:27 PM ET
yeah - erik johnson, eric gudbranson, and kyle alzner come to mind
- moylander


You're right there is risk. However, I'll counter those guys with Doughty, Pieterangelo, and Hedman all drafted within the top 5 and are either studs or pretty darn close.
SuperSchennBros
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Joined: 09.01.2012

Jun 18 @ 11:27 PM ET
Booth and Tootoo bought out today.

My guess is these players are next...

Brad Richards
Mike Richards
Ryan Malone
Ville Leino
Brooks Laich
Martin Havlat
Alex Tanguay
Sheldon Souray
Adam McQuaid
RJ Umburger (How the heck do they trade this guy?)
Scottie Upshall
Shawn Horcoff
Ed Jovanovski
Paul Gaustad
Anton Volchenkov

If I'm the Penguins, I would buyout Pascal Dupuis in favour of re-signing Jussi Jokinen or Matt Niskanen.

Also Antti Niemi wasn't very good this year.
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