The ECF was against Montreal sir, this was the round prior
- ob18

Oh ish

The ECF was against Montreal sir, this was the round prior
- ob18

haha, you are correct OB ... don't know why I was thinking it was the ECF.

either way, it's good times.

you failed to grasp but its okay it happens
- Crimsoninja

If Nashville suddenly comes to the Flyers with Patrick Hornqvist and Shea Weber for Giroux and the Flyers do the deal, does that make the Giroux signing a bad one because they went in a different direction so soon after they signed him?

Maybe its a far fetched example, but the point is that no matter who you sign and for how much/how soon after...if the right deal comes along and you take it, it doesn't make the signing bad.

If Nashville suddenly comes to the Flyers with Patrick Hornqvist and Shea Weber for Giroux and the Flyers do the deal, does that make the Giroux signing a bad one because they went in a different direction so soon after they signed him?

Maybe its a far fetched example, but the point is that no matter who you sign and for how much/how soon after...if the right deal comes along and you take it, it doesn't make the signing bad.
- MBFlyerfan

Exactly! There's no bad decision making there on the Flyers part, unless you disagree with the return on the trade.

haha, you are correct OB ... don't know why I was thinking it was the ECF.

either way, it's good times.

- FlyerGuy

If Nashville suddenly comes to the Flyers with Patrick Hornqvist and Shea Weber for Giroux and the Flyers do the deal, does that make the Giroux signing a bad one because they went in a different direction so soon after they signed him?

Maybe its a far fetched example, but the point is that no matter who you sign and for how much/how soon after...if the right deal comes along and you take it, it doesn't make the signing bad.
- MBFlyerfan

dont drag me into this

i was merely trying to explain jsaq's original point

If Nashville suddenly comes to the Flyers with Patrick Hornqvist and Shea Weber for Giroux and the Flyers do the deal, does that make the Giroux signing a bad one because they went in a different direction so soon after they signed him?

Maybe its a far fetched example, but the point is that no matter who you sign and for how much/how soon after...if the right deal comes along and you take it, it doesn't make the signing bad.
- MBFlyerfan

Absolutely. Nobody is saying that. I have zero issue with the signing of Carter. Look at his play in the playoffs. He's a bargain.

The difference is, the Flyers didn't sign Jeff Carter to an 11 year deal and get a call out of the blue with a great offer. They were actively shopping him around the league, less than a year after they signed him to the 11 year deal.

Getting blown away by an offer is one thing, but that isn't what happened in the case of Carter

Absolutely. Nobody is saying that. I have zero issue with the signing of Carter. Look at his play in the playoffs. He's a bargain.

The difference is, the Flyers didn't sign Jeff Carter to an 11 year deal and get a call out of the blue with a great offer. They were actively shopping him around the league, less than a year after they signed him to the 11 year deal.

Getting blown away by an offer is one thing, but that isn't what happened in the case of Carter
- Jsaquella

In hindsight, I'm blown away by the offer.

In hindsight, I'm blown away by the offer.
- aflyerpower8

In hindsight it's an even better trade than I first thought, and I liked it immediately.

My issue is the process. They liked a guy so much they signed him to an 11 year deal, then 12 months later, they were shopping him around the NHL

Absolutely. Nobody is saying that. I have zero issue with the signing of Carter. Look at his play in the playoffs. He's a bargain.

The difference is, the Flyers didn't sign Jeff Carter to an 11 year deal and get a call out of the blue with a great offer. They were actively shopping him around the league, less than a year after they signed him to the 11 year deal.

Getting blown away by an offer is one thing, but that isn't what happened in the case of Carter
- Jsaquella

The genesis of when the trade discussions began doesn't change anything. It still doesn't point to bad decision making. Because nothing detrimental happened to the team. Signing a player to an 11 year deal, doesn't preclude the team from coming to a decision on whether to accept a proposed trade from another team, after the signing. If anyone feels the trade was a good trade, then no part of it can be considered a bad decision .

In hindsight it's an even better trade than I first thought, and I liked it immediately.

My issue is the process. They liked a guy so much they signed him to an 11 year deal, then 12 months later, they were shopping him around the NHL
- Jsaquella

12 months is a long time in Hockey.

All I know is I dont want to see any more centers drafted with the first pick and played out of position, or more meh left handed defensemen.
I dont care if they are from Novosibirsk, Tampere, Smiths Falls, or from the red planet Mars, or come through a Stagrate for the draft, get a LW, best remaining at 17

Roland McKeown, D, Kingston – “He was my captain for a couple years. He skates very well, he can do everything very well. There’s nothing that he struggles with. I assume he’s going to be a very high pick and I’m really excited to see where he ends up.”-Connor McDavid

Roland McKeown’s skating ability is at an elite level and features excellent speed and acceleration both forwards and backwards, great pivots, excellent lateral agility, and fantastic edgework.Offensively, McKeown shows confidence and poise with the puck on his stick, and is really developing into a solid two-way defenceman. His offensive game is keyed by smart decision making and excellent passing skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R58a_Z4bEhI

That is my pitch for why we should take McKeown.

All I know is I dont want to see any more centers drafted with the first pick and played out of position, or more meh left handed defensemen.
I dont care if they are from Novosibirsk, Tampere, Smiths Falls, or from the red planet Mars, or come through a Stagrate for the draft, get a LW, best remaining at 17
- Steelmanpa

That's why I like Tuch and Barbashev a little more than Larkin at 17. They're wingers.

Mark Edwards of Hockey Prospectus on Barbashev & Tuch:
“The first time I saw Barbashev play was three years ago and he was the
laziest player on the ice. He must have been feeling sick or something that day because I have never seen a trace of that since. He competes hard, is a smart player, has skill and plays well in all three zones. He could make an NHL team earlier than some may expect.”

On Tuch "I love his blend of size and skill. Some NHL scouts have told me
they think he lacks skill but I disagree. He remind me a bit of Max Pacioretty"

my buddy told me vinny is probably going to get traded to florida

- Jsaquella

I'm totally zoning out. I am watching MLB Network and I still missed this.

I'm still waiting for Crims top 20, so I can poop on it.

my buddy told me vinny is probably going to get traded to florida
- 2Real

Yup

Vinny + #17 for #1

Summary of last 28 pgs pls thx

Summary of last 28 pgs pls thx
- Giroux_Is_God

Most think the Flyers are a few tweaks away from contention. There was some debate about the value of Ekblad. Draft ranking from ob. Ethics debate on trading players after signing them long term with a focus on Carter. I'm sure I missed some.

(Edit): And the Flyers hired Gord Murphy and let go Paddock.

Summary of last 28 pgs pls thx
- Giroux_Is_God

Imagine Liza Minelli naked

Imagine Liza Minelli naked
- Jsaquella

I don't know who this is, and just googled her, she's 68.

I'd rather not

Summary of last 28 pgs pls thx
- Giroux_Is_God

We'd better not go into another rebuilding phase, or i'm gonna be pissed

Florida can suck it if they want Braydon Coburn and Brayden Schenn

Anybody who mentions Patrick Sharp or Justin Williams used to be Flyers is getting pistol-whipped

Trust me, that's pretty much it...

Summary of last 28 pgs pls thx
- Giroux_Is_God