Burrows to play with kelser and bennet
- Palmer117

So, you have a line of three fragile players. Pass

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- Palmer117

So, you are going to spend 4 million on an ancient backup goalie? Not that smart.

No thanks. Draft is forward heavy where a Penguins will be picking. I'd rather take our chances with an unknown.
- Ryan_Wilson

Yeah I hear you on that, but what if they offered up one of their picks in the 30's? Move down 10 or 15 picks and still get him.

Kelser brings grit leadership heart pittsburgh makes this trade at draft sutter and Neal and our 1st for kelser burrows
- Palmer117

Kesler will also be 30 years old this year and will have a contract that expires after these two years. 30 isn't a show stopper but he plays an abrasive style that can cause players to deteriorate much faster. I agree he would bring a lot but (beating a dead horse) I'm not in favorite of selling the farm for older/short term guys.

And the rest of your trade proposal, I'd say no. I don't like giving up our first round pick without getting some youth back. Again Burrows is 33. There are capable agitators under the age of 33.

Kelser brings grit leadership heart pittsburgh makes this trade at draft sutter and Neal and our 1st for kelser burrows
- Palmer117

That is a ridiculously high price to pay for two fragile guys that are on the decline of sorts.

That is a ridiculously high price to pay for two fragile guys that are on the decline of sorts.
- Oneonta Penguin

Honestly believe that trade is near doable without including our 1st, maybe our 3rd or 4th.

I guess o'reilly he's younger I think his cap hit would be higher though
- dbell646

Yea. Do we have any assets that Colorado would want to make that deal though? I'd say no. I can't see Neal/Letang making sense in a proposal for O'Reilly +

Oh well, one can dream.

Honestly believe that trade is near doable without including our 1st, maybe our 3rd or 4th.
- Guile

I don't. Not even close. You realize Burrows in his last 96 games had fewer points than James Neal had goals this year, or very close? Kesler and Burrows are both 30 or over, fragile and are on the downslide of their careers. I would do a Neal for Kesler, but its dumb to add Sutter for Borrows.

I don't. Not even close. You realize Burrows in his last 96 games had fewer points than James Neal had goals this year, or very close? Kesler and Burrows are both 30 or over, fragile and are on the downslide of their careers. I would do a Neal for Kesler, but its dumb to add Sutter for Borrows.
- Oneonta Penguin

Having Sutter while obtaining Kesler would also be nearly as dumb... that pushes Sutter to being a 4th line center here...

Kelser brings grit leadership heart pittsburgh makes this trade at draft sutter and Neal and our 1st for kelser burrows
- Palmer117

Fleury saying that he ordered pads to match a Penguins vanity uniform in the upcoming season turns my stomach.

Kesler would have been a mistake last season (for Sutter, not a premium return player like Neal), and would be a mistake this season. Kesler was likely an attempt to mask a systemically weak team for a few more months in a watered-down Eastern Conference. Adding Kesler would make the Penguins substantially older long-term than the team currently is, and more importantly more top-heavy than the team already is.

Alex Burrows is a scrub who has missed 68 games over the past two seasons, picking up a combined 18 goals. At 33, his career accomplishment was scoring 28 goals, winning the President's Trophy, and losing to the 8th seeded Kings in 5 games.

Fleury saying that he ordered pads to match a Penguins vanity uniform in the upcoming season turns my stomach.

Kesler would have been a mistake last season (for Sutter, not a premium return player like Neal), and would be a mistake this season. Kesler was likely an attempt to mask a systemically weak team for a few more months in a watered-down Eastern Conference. Adding Kesler would make the Penguins substantially older long-term than the team currently is, and more importantly more top-heavy than the team already is.

Alex Burrows is a scrub who has missed 68 games over the past two seasons, picking up a combined 18 goals. At 33, his career accomplishment was scoring 28 goals, winning the President's Trophy, and losing to the 8th seeded Kings in 5 games.
- Johnny Wrath

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Having Sutter while obtaining Kesler would also be nearly as dumb... that pushes Sutter to being a 4th line center here...
- Guile

Put Kesler as a winger then. It's very poor asset management to deal Neal and sutter for two guys on the decline and both over 30 with fragility questions.

I like Kesler, but he comes with warts too. He isn't the 30-goal scorer he once was.

Put Kesler as a winger then. It's very poor asset management to deal Neal and sutter for two guys on the decline and both over 30 with fragility questions.

I like Kesler, but he comes with warts too. He isn't the 30-goal scorer he once was.
- Oneonta Penguin

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Put Kesler as a winger then. It's very poor asset management to deal Neal and sutter for two guys on the decline and both over 30 with fragility questions.

I like Kesler, but he comes with warts too. He isn't the 30-goal scorer he once was.
- Oneonta Penguin

And there are concerns about his attitude and personality too. It's a fine line between being a vocal leader, and being a jerk that everyone tunes out.

Last season with Shero, Bylsma and Granato on the staff, and Orpik in the room, there were people who knew Kesler pretty well, and could help ensure him fitting in well. Now, there are not many connections there.

And there are concerns about his attitude and personality too. It's a fine line between being a vocal leader, and being a jerk that everyone tunes out.

Last season with Shero, Bylsma and Granato on the staff, and Orpik in the room, there were people who knew Kesler pretty well, and could help ensure him fitting in well. Now, there are not many connections there.
- rival22

As I said, I would trade two people on this roster for him. That said, I don't think he is the end all to be all, a guy that we should chase. I like his game. He is rugged, something we need. That said, his game is more apt to get him hurt. I agree ... the connections to Kesler are pretty much gone. I think his attitude problems are more because he wants out of Vancouver. He needs a change of scenery.

And there are concerns about his attitude and personality too. It's a fine line between being a vocal leader, and being a jerk that everyone tunes out.

Last season with Shero, Bylsma and Granato on the staff, and Orpik in the room, there were people who knew Kesler pretty well, and could help ensure him fitting in well. Now, there are not many connections there.
- rival22

We know it's east team pit det phi don't see kelser in flyers uniform comes down to pit det I'm sold on Neal for kelser we let Matt walk resign orpik

We know it's east team pit det phi don't see kelser in flyers uniform comes down to pit det I'm sold on Neal for kelser we let Matt walk resign orpik
- Palmer117

Orpik isn't an answer

We know it's east team pit det phi don't see kelser in flyers uniform comes down to pit det I'm sold on Neal for kelser we let Matt walk resign orpik
- Palmer117

Absolutely not on Orpik. And if you are going to keep pushing Kesler can you please try to get his name right? I hate being a Richard calling out the error, but come on you have said his name in like 20 straight posts and got it wrong every time.

Absolutely not on Orpik. And if you are going to keep pushing Kesler can you please try to get his name right? I hate being a Richard calling out the error, but come on you have said his name in like 20 straight posts and got it wrong every time.
- PensFan1103

Kesler

Kesler
- Palmer117

Awesome.

Now that we have that straight, I was fully onboard with getting Kesler at the deadline, but after Sutter raised his game in the playoffs and now that Neal seems to be the odd man out and most likely to be traded, I don't really think Neal for Kesler is the route I would want to go. If you are trading Neal, I don't think you can afford to do a straight up trade for an older player at the same price tag. It isn't really solving many problems other than bringing somebody in who might bring more to the table character/grit wise.

Awesome.

Now that we have that straight, I was fully onboard with getting Kesler at the deadline, but after Sutter raised his game in the playoffs and now that Neal seems to be the odd man out and most likely to be traded, I don't really think Neal for Kesler is the route I would want to go. If you are trading Neal, I don't think you can afford to do a straight up trade for an older player at the same price tag. It isn't really solving many problems other than bringing somebody in who might bring more to the table character/grit wise.
- PensFan1103

If we got Kesler we be the kings but better

If we got Kesler we be the kings but better
- Palmer117

No, we wouldn't. Not even close to me. There is a major difference between the two franchises. Kesler doesn't make us better than the Kings.

I'm gonna get flamed for this but if Marchand is available Id look into it. 20 goal guy who gets under people's skin? Sign me up and I give 2 (frank)s about him being dirty. That poop doesn't bother me never has

No, we wouldn't. Not even close to me. There is a major difference between the two franchises. Kesler doesn't make us better than the Kings.
- Oneonta Penguin

Next up he's immature. Seems like you want to keep the same underachieving team we had last year

Next up he's immature. Seems like you want to keep the same underachieving team we had last year
- dbell646

No, I don't want to keep the same underachieving team. Never said he was immature. If I were one of keeping the same underachieving team together, then why am I a big proponent of trading our fragile and overpaid defenseman along with Neal, as long as the Neal deal is for a top six forward in return. If you would actually read posts, you would know changes need to be made. Instead, you don't.

Besides, what does my response regarding the addition of Kesler doesn't make us the Kings, but better have anything to do with you posted? Fact is, Ryan Kesler doesn't make us better than the Kings. Not even close.