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Fredobbface
Calgary Flames
Location: 3 years 5-4-3-3 For a total of 14.5M and a cap hit of 2M, QC
Joined: 07.31.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:03 AM ET
Thanks for this poignant analysis.
- hscesq

You know what would be fun? Motorcycle lessons
soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:04 AM ET
the problem with that is, the Hawks have 3-4 guys in Toews, Kane, Keith and Hossa who could someday find themselves in the HOF. that's ridiculous. that's less a model than it is a golden age of talent.
- DoubleDown


Off course, but don't forget we have Price, who is better than Crawford IMO.

What i meant is we are probably better suited trying to follow Chicago style than Boston or LA.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:05 AM ET
You know what would be fun? Motorcycle lessons
- Fredobbface

soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:08 AM ET
EE

Do you think there is a possibility MB signs Boyle for a 2 years contract if Markov walks??
Fredobbface
Calgary Flames
Location: 3 years 5-4-3-3 For a total of 14.5M and a cap hit of 2M, QC
Joined: 07.31.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:08 AM ET

- hscesq

A little ride in New-Hampshire, you don't even need to wear an helmet.
Fredobbface
Calgary Flames
Location: 3 years 5-4-3-3 For a total of 14.5M and a cap hit of 2M, QC
Joined: 07.31.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:09 AM ET
EE

Do you think there is a possibility MB signs Boyle for a 2 years contract if Markov walks??

- soad_live

He's too french
TouenneTiiTree
Location: #effetjulien
Joined: 05.22.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:11 AM ET
Eric Engels: Size, Physicality and the Habs Shortcomings...
- EricEngels



Agreed...on all counts. With just a little caveat on the Pacioretty issue...but then again, I'll always be convinced he can do a bit more...

soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:12 AM ET
He's too french
- Fredobbface


I definately think Boyle would be a better transition to Beaulieu than Markov is.

I don't think Markov is mister communication.

Also Markov wants more years than Boyle, so i would be fine signing Boyle for 2 years (and probably for less than 6M$) instead of 3-4 for Markov.
TouenneTiiTree
Location: #effetjulien
Joined: 05.22.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:15 AM ET
you can't teach a guy to get bigger
and you can't teach hockey sense-- experience is the only thing that improves that.

but if you have a big guy with an NHL stride; a big guy willing to inflict damage and pay the price, you can develop the rest of his skills...

- EricEngels


This...not all of tem will pan out, of course...but it's worth a try.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:15 AM ET
Agreed...on all counts. With just a little caveat on the Pacioretty issue...but then again, I'll always be convinced he can do a bit more...
- TouenneTiiTree


if he scores 39 goals every year i'll be quite content
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:16 AM ET
if he scores 39 goals every year i'll be quite content
- DoubleDown

MORE!!!!!
habs12
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Cole Harbour, NS
Joined: 04.29.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:17 AM ET
if he scores 39 goals every year i'll be quite content
- DoubleDown

WaterBoy
Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:18 AM ET
MORE!!!!!
- hscesq

40 ?
Fredobbface
Calgary Flames
Location: 3 years 5-4-3-3 For a total of 14.5M and a cap hit of 2M, QC
Joined: 07.31.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:19 AM ET
if he scores 39 goals every year i'll be quite content
- DoubleDown

How many empty netters?

-Martin Vallé
Pea-Brain
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Dubastown
Joined: 09.28.2009

Jun 10 @ 10:23 AM ET
40 ?
- WaterBoy

he's no Kessel
DrRecchi
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Currently being entertained by the asian lady mowing 8 inch grass with an electric mower
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jun 10 @ 10:23 AM ET
Eric Engels: Size, Physicality and the Habs Shortcomings...
- EricEngels


Tired of this "size and physicality" narrative.

The Kings are not winning because they are grinding. They are winning because they are a skilled team that can break out of their zone, enter the offensive zone with the puck and shoot more often then their opponents.

It's not Regehr, Green, Mitchell, Brown and Richards that make this team.

It's Doughty, Kopitar, Carter, Williams, Toffoli and Gaborik.
TouenneTiiTree
Location: #effetjulien
Joined: 05.22.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:23 AM ET
if he scores 39 goals every year i'll be quite content
- DoubleDown


Even if he follows that up with 5 in the playoffs?

I'm not too worried about the number of goals...it's just that he's a streaky player, with a streaky effort level...hence why I always seem to think he could do more.
DrRecchi
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Currently being entertained by the asian lady mowing 8 inch grass with an electric mower
Joined: 06.29.2011

Jun 10 @ 10:24 AM ET
I definately think Boyle would be a better transition to Beaulieu than Markov is.

I don't think Markov is mister communication.

Also Markov wants more years than Boyle, so i would be fine signing Boyle for 2 years (and probably for less than 6M$) instead of 3-4 for Markov.

- soad_live


Markov won't walk.
TouenneTiiTree
Location: #effetjulien
Joined: 05.22.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:25 AM ET
Markov won't walk.
- DrRecchi



Yeah, hopefully he'll be skating...

Habs Talk
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.03.2005

Jun 10 @ 10:25 AM ET
EE

Do you think there is a possibility MB signs Boyle for a 2 years contract if Markov walks??

- soad_live


I think so, but there are a lot of unknown variables in there. I don't think anyone's offering Boyle more than 2 years. I think he'll get Gonchar's deal-- 2yrs, 5 per. Then the question is, if Ottawa offers same as MTL, does he go to Ottawa?
WaterBoy
Location: Gardez-le votre ANGLAIS, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:25 AM ET
Tired of this "size and physicality" narrative.

The Kings are not winning because they are grinding. They are winning because they are a skilled team that can break out of their zone, enter the offensive zone with the puck and shoot more often then their opponents.

It's not Regehr, Green, Mitchell, Brown and Richards that make this team.

It's Doughty, Kopitar, Carter, Williams, Toffoli and Gaborik.

- DrRecchi

Fredobbface
Calgary Flames
Location: 3 years 5-4-3-3 For a total of 14.5M and a cap hit of 2M, QC
Joined: 07.31.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:25 AM ET
Markov won't walk.
- DrRecchi

His knees are that bad Doctor?
Habs Talk
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.03.2005

Jun 10 @ 10:25 AM ET
Markov won't walk.
- DrRecchi


I'm not convinced, but if he does, it's not the end of the world.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:25 AM ET
Even if he follows that up with 5 in the playoffs?

I'm not too worried about the number of goals...it's just that he's a streaky player, with a streaky effort level...hence why I always seem to think he could do more.

- TouenneTiiTree

Ah. You can tell what his effort level is. Love that.
TouenneTiiTree
Location: #effetjulien
Joined: 05.22.2012

Jun 10 @ 10:26 AM ET
Tired of this "size and physicality" narrative.

The Kings are not winning because they are grinding. They are winning because they are a skilled team that can break out of their zone, enter the offensive zone with the puck and shoot more often then their opponents.

It's not Regehr, Green, Mitchell, Brown and Richards that make this team.

It's Doughty, Kopitar, Carter, Williams, Toffoli and Gaborik.

- DrRecchi



it's the fact that they have better stars than ours, and those better stars are supported by a better supporting cast...

And all of those guys are bigger and more physical than the habs.

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