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Montreal Canadiens
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Jun 10 @ 9:41 AM ET
Eric Engels: Size, Physicality and the Habs Shortcomings...
Fredobbface
Calgary Flames
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Jun 10 @ 9:47 AM ET
Eric Engels: Size, Physicality and the Habs Shortcomings...
- EricEngels

Justin Williams 189 pounds.

Anze Kopitar Conn Smythe
WaterBoy
Location: The opposite of what Pat says, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Jun 10 @ 9:48 AM ET
Great blog !
Habs Talk
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.03.2005

Jun 10 @ 9:50 AM ET
Justin Williams 189 pounds.

Anze Kopitar Conn Smythe

- Fredobbface


ya
I had williams on my list and forgot to include him in that first point. just made the change.
stinger67
Montreal Canadiens
Location: QC
Joined: 07.03.2008

Jun 10 @ 9:50 AM ET
As you said at the end of the blog, there are bigger guys in the pipeline that will be around in the next few years...not all of them will make it, but the Habs have been drafting a few bigger guys up front that are interesting.

They drafted a few other small skilled guys as well (Lehkonen, Andrighetto, Reway). Big skilled guys are always gone at the draft after the 15th pick, and the Habs mostly never draft below that. I'd rather have the small skilled player than the big one that can barely skate.

That being said, very eager to see how De La Rose will look at training camp.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 10 @ 9:53 AM ET
Game three of the Habs series with New York was an ugly, grind it out win. It was the type that probably had ardent Therrien bashers frustrated--as they know this is the kind of game Therrien wants his small, speedy team to play. Had they been equipped to play that way through the rest of the series, the outcome may have been different.

not sure what you mean by this. the next game was pretty ugly as well. Montreal got it to OT. if Galchenyuk doesn't ring one off the bar late in regulation... point is, they were in position to win that game and tie the series. can't argue with their game 5 either. game 6 was a stinker but i don't think you can fault how they played between games 3 and 6.
Habs Talk
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.03.2005

Jun 10 @ 9:54 AM ET
Game three of the Habs series with New York was an ugly, grind it out win. It was the type that probably had ardent Therrien bashers frustrated--as they know this is the kind of game Therrien wants his small, speedy team to play. Had they been equipped to play that way through the rest of the series, the outcome may have been different.

not sure what you mean by this. the next game was pretty ugly as well. Montreal got it to OT. if Galchenyuk doesn't ring one off the bar late in regulation... point is, they were in position to win that game and tie the series. can't argue with their game 5 either. game 6 was a stinker but i don't think you can fault how they played between games 3 and 6.

- DoubleDown


I just mean that game 3 was a whole lot of nastiness from the Canadiens, and they aren't built to play that way all the way through. They have some players that can, but not enough.

I agree with your points on games 4 and 5, for sure.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 10 @ 9:55 AM ET
As you said at the end of the blog, there are bigger guys in the pipeline that will be around in the next few years...not all of them will make it, but the Habs have been drafting a few bigger guys up front that are interesting.

They drafted a few other small skilled guys as well (Lehkonen, Andrighetto, Reway). Big skilled guys are always gone at the draft after the 15th pick, and the Habs mostly never draft below that. I'd rather have the small skilled player than the big one that can barely skate.

That being said, very eager to see how De La Rose will look at training camp.

- stinger67


look around the NHL and see how many big guys can skate well. they're not necessarily super talented, but they can skate. you can draft big boys who can skate outside the top 15 (ie de la Rose).
hscesq
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Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 10 @ 9:55 AM ET
I just mean that game 3 was a whole lot of nastiness from the Canadiens, and they aren't built to play that way all the way through. They have some players that can, but not enough.

I agree with your points on games 4 and 5, for sure.

- EricEngels

I was at Game 3. It was fun.
Fredobbface
Calgary Flames
Location: 3 years 5-4-3-3 For a total of 14.5M and a cap hit of 2M, QC
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Jun 10 @ 9:55 AM ET
ya
I had williams on my list and forgot to include him in that first point. just made the change.

- EricEngels

To think Gaborik and Williams would be major factors in a Stanley cup win.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 10 @ 9:56 AM ET
I just mean that game 3 was a whole lot of nastiness from the Canadiens, and they aren't built to play that way all the way through. They have some players that can, but not enough.

I agree with your points on games 4 and 5, for sure.

- EricEngels


the Prust suspension and then the Weise injury certainly sapped them of what little jam they have, yeah.
jugkope
Location: Possibly at the Zoo
Joined: 07.19.2009

Jun 10 @ 9:56 AM ET
As you said at the end of the blog, there are bigger guys in the pipeline that will be around in the next few years...not all of them will make it, but the Habs have been drafting a few bigger guys up front that are interesting.

They drafted a few other small skilled guys as well (Lehkonen, Andrighetto, Reway). Big skilled guys are always gone at the draft after the 15th pick, and the Habs mostly never draft below that. I'd rather have the small skilled player than the big one that can barely skate.

That being said, very eager to see how De La Rose will look at training camp.

- stinger67


McAttack will be a great offensive dynamo
WaterBoy
Location: The opposite of what Pat says, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Jun 10 @ 9:56 AM ET
ya
I had williams on my list and forgot to include him in that first point. just made the change.

- EricEngels

The Habs top 6 wingers need help.

Eller/Plek could possibly fetch a legit top 6 winger with size.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 10 @ 9:57 AM ET
To think Gaborik and Williams would be major factors in a Stanley cup win.
- Fredobbface

Williams has always been a clutch performer.
Habs Talk
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.03.2005

Jun 10 @ 9:57 AM ET
look around the NHL and see how many big guys can skate well. they're not necessarily super talented, but they can skate. you can draft big boys who can skate outside the top 15 (ie de la Rose).
- DoubleDown


you can't teach a guy to get bigger
and you can't teach hockey sense-- experience is the only thing that improves that.

but if you have a big guy with an NHL stride; a big guy willing to inflict damage and pay the price, you can develop the rest of his skills...

DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 10 @ 9:57 AM ET
McAttack will be a great offensive dynamo
- jugkope


if he turns into a guy who can score 15-20 goals and play second/third line minutes... that's good enough for a 25th overall pick.
Habs Talk
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 10.03.2005

Jun 10 @ 9:58 AM ET
Williams has always been a clutch performer.
- hscesq


He's a freak. Reminds me of Adam Deadmarsh.
soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 9:59 AM ET
I just mean that game 3 was a whole lot of nastiness from the Canadiens, and they aren't built to play that way all the way through. They have some players that can, but not enough.

I agree with your points on games 4 and 5, for sure.

- EricEngels


Nastyness is simply not in the Montréal Canadiens culture.

The best would be to have a team big and physical enough to not suffer from a series against a nasty rival.

I think the Habs needs to follow Hawks style. Speedy talented team that can respond to physical agression.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:00 AM ET
He's a freak. Reminds me of Adam Deadmarsh.
- EricEngels


that guy was ahead of his time. he was built for today's game, not that clutch-and-grab poop.
WaterBoy
Location: The opposite of what Pat says, YT
Joined: 06.27.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:01 AM ET
Nastyness is simply not in the Montréal Canadiens culture.

The best would be to have a team big and physical enough to not suffer from a series against a nasty rival.

I think the Habs needs to follow Hawks style. Speedy talented team that can respond to physical agression.

- soad_live

The Hawks also have Legends like Toews, Kane, Keith ande stars like Seabrook and Sharp....
soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:01 AM ET
The Habs top 6 wingers need help.

Eller/Plek could possibly fetch a legit top 6 winger with size.

- WaterBoy


I agree.

As long as Plekanec and DD will be there, there is no spot available for Galchenyuk at center.

One of those two has to go. DD wouldn't bring much. But a borderline selke nominee would.
Fredobbface
Calgary Flames
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Jun 10 @ 10:02 AM ET
He's a freak. Reminds me of Adam Deadmarsh.
- EricEngels

77 points in 113 games not bad but not great.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jun 10 @ 10:02 AM ET
Nastyness is simply not in the Montréal Canadiens culture.

The best would be to have a team big and physical enough to not suffer from a series against a nasty rival.

I think the Habs needs to follow Hawks style. Speedy talented team that can respond to physical agression.

- soad_live


the problem with that is, the Hawks have 3-4 guys in Toews, Kane, Keith and Hossa who could someday find themselves in the HOF. that's ridiculous. that's less a model than it is a golden age of talent.
soad_live
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Québec, QC
Joined: 10.23.2008

Jun 10 @ 10:03 AM ET
The Hawks also have Legends like Toews, Kane, Keith ande stars like Seabrook and Sharp....
- WaterBoy


We are getting there.

If Bergevin manages well, we could be close in 2-3 years.
hscesq
Referee
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Our debt is easily solvable considering the assets owned by the province. QP, NY
Joined: 06.26.2007

Jun 10 @ 10:03 AM ET
77 points in 113 games not bad but not great.
- Fredobbface

Thanks for this poignant analysis.
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