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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 6 @ 6:55 PM ET
there, there....


- wilsonecho91


my goodnes, i loved donna dixon.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Jun 6 @ 6:56 PM ET
It was a curious hire. It still makes me wonder if the original candidate they wanted to hire, went to another team. The Rutherford hire reeks of retread back-up plan.
- ravishingone


jr himself said the plan is only a temporary one for 2-3 years, while he grooms the younger guys around..most likely botterill.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Jun 6 @ 7:01 PM ET
Possible. Or if they move Schenn + for a defenseman + and Vinny for a 3rd line winger and it frees up a deal for others on the roster or system.
- Jsaquella


They want a young NHL ready center in exchange for Kesler...My take is that B Schenn is that guy...Still doubt Kesler comes here, however I found it interesting that Dreger went out of his way to mention Anahiem and Philly as suitors, like those are the favorites to land him
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 6 @ 7:07 PM ET
You sound like someone I know
- PhillySportsGuy

NO I DON'T
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Jun 6 @ 7:13 PM ET
They want a young NHL ready center in exchange for Kesler...My take is that B Schenn is that guy...Still doubt Kesler comes here, however I found it interesting that Dreger went out of his way to mention Anahiem and Philly as suitors, like those are the favorites to land him
- nonpoint22


Always tough for a team to trade within the division. If Benning is in full blow it up and rebuild mode, then it would be easier to trade with the Ducks. If he thinks they are borderline playoff team (which I believe), then I can't see him trading within the division.

Torts was a dumpster fire last year, I expect them to be better this upcoming season.
flyer_nutter
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Unleash the Peanuts, MB
Joined: 10.16.2008

Jun 6 @ 7:17 PM ET
Just wait till he hires John Stevens. Yup, that John Stevens.

- ravishingone


That idiot.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 7:18 PM ET
They want a young NHL ready center in exchange for Kesler...My take is that B Schenn is that guy...Still doubt Kesler comes here, however I found it interesting that Dreger went out of his way to mention Anahiem and Philly as suitors, like those are the favorites to land him
- nonpoint22

Philly almost automatically gets named-dropped any time a top 6 forward is being shopped. I'm sure they'll kick the tires, but I don't see a move happening.

You would have to find a taker for Vinny and Vinny would have to be willing to go there AND you would have to part with a nice piece to get Kesler. If you're going to shop BSchenn or Laughton or a 1st rounder pick there are so many more pressing needs this team has that should be addressed than acquiring a guy like Kesler with what he is going to bring at this stage of his career.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 6 @ 7:33 PM ET
Philly almost automatically gets named-dropped any time a top 6 forward is being shopped. I'm sure they'll kick the tires, but I don't see a move happening.

You would have to find a taker for Vinny and Vinny would have to be willing to go there AND you would have to part with a nice piece to get Kesler. If you're going to shop BSchenn or Laughton or a 1st rounder pick there are so many more pressing needs this team has that should be addressed than acquiring a guy like Kesler with what he is going to bring at this stage of his career.

- hereticpride


I think that's why they get named dropped, because they do kick the tires on a lot of available players. And I think some get wind of just basic talk between teams, and then is how rumors start.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 7:44 PM ET
Philly almost automatically gets named-dropped any time a top 6 forward is being shopped. I'm sure they'll kick the tires, but I don't see a move happening.

You would have to find a taker for Vinny and Vinny would have to be willing to go there AND you would have to part with a nice piece to get Kesler. If you're going to shop BSchenn or Laughton or a 1st rounder pick there are so many more pressing needs this team has that should be addressed than acquiring a guy like Kesler with what he is going to bring at this stage of his career.

- hereticpride


I'd be shocked if the flyers actually do anything... They have no cap space left after signing schenn. At least that's what I'm bracing myself for.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 6 @ 7:47 PM ET
I'd be shocked if the flyers actually do anything... They have no cap space left after signing schenn. At least that's what I'm bracing myself for.
- moylander


The Flyers have some Cap flexibility. And they can have even more if they make a few moves. I'll be shocked if they don't do anything.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 7:48 PM ET
I'd be shocked if the flyers actually do anything... They have no cap space left after signing schenn. At least that's what I'm bracing myself for.
- moylander

The only thing I can see is Hexy coming in and acknowledging the fact we have too many centers and making a move there. Something like Laughton and the 1st to move up in the draft or to get a D man or maybe even a LW. Other than that I don't think we are going to see too much. They will likely give Vinny some more time here before selling him off.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 7:51 PM ET
The Flyers have Cap flexibility. And they can have even more if they make a few moves. I'll be shocked if they don't do anything.
- MJL

By cap flexiblity you mean very little.... I could see something minimal like dumping Grossmann for cap relief.... I don't think VL or Hartsy go anywhere... And I can't see them giving up on Brayden despite the trade rumors.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jun 6 @ 7:54 PM ET
By cap flexiblity you mean very little.... I could see something minimal like dumping Grossmann for cap relief.... I don't think VL or Hartsy go anywhere... And I can't see them giving up on Brayden despite the trade rumors.
- moylander


the Schenns to TO for JvR and Gardiner
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 7:55 PM ET
So Lebron now just named himself "the easiest target in sports". I'm sure there are quite a few netminders who've spent some time in our fair city that would like to have a word with him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 6 @ 7:55 PM ET
By cap flexiblity you mean very little.... I could see something minimal like dumping Grossmann for cap relief.... I don't think VL or Hartsy go anywhere... And I can't see them giving up on Brayden despite the trade rumors.
- moylander


How much depends on how much the Cap goes up. Based on the cap at 71.1M, they have about 6.5M of cap space to work with. That includes Chris Pronger. If they can make a deal and trade Grossmann, that gets them up about 10M in cap space to work with. Any other deal such as trading Lecavalier, gets them more. Those numbers could be a million or two less depending on what the cap goes up to. They would also have the off season exemption to work with come July 1. Then once the season comes, they have Pronger's LTIR cap space to work with.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 6 @ 7:57 PM ET
So Lebron now just named himself "the easiest target in sports". I'm sure there are quite a few netminders who've spent some time in our fair city that would like to have a word with him.
- hereticpride

He needs to go away
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 6 @ 8:00 PM ET
I'd be shocked if the flyers actually do anything... They have no cap space left after signing schenn. At least that's what I'm bracing myself for.
- moylander


I think they'll do something, but it depends on how easily they can move money out to create more space.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 8:01 PM ET
How much depends on how much the Cap goes up. Based on the cap at 71.1M, they have about 6.5M of cap space to work with. That includes Chris Pronger. If they can make a deal and trade Grossmann, that gets them up about 10M in cap space to work with. Any other deal such as trading Lecavalier, gets them more. Those numbers could be a million or two less depending on what the cap goes up to. They would also have the off season exemption to work with come July 1. Then once the season comes, they have Pronger's LTIR cap space to work with.
- MJL

I don't disagree... I could trade the whole team and get $71 million in cap space... But as is sign b schenn and a back up goalie and you spent $4 of the $6.5 mil in available cap space and they still need to sign 1-2 dmen and a couple on the 4th line. Its tight.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 8:08 PM ET
I think they'll do something, but it depends on how easily they can move money out to create more space.
- Jsaquella

Agreed. Unfortunately the two guys most of us agree on moving (Vinny and Hartnell) are both tied to long term deals with NTCs. I wonder if either of these guys would waive and if so would either have interest in Nashville because they are basically in the most dire need.
moylander
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 8:12 PM ET
Agreed. Unfortunately the two guys most of us agree on moving (Vinny and Hartnell) are both tied to long term deals with NTCs. I wonder if either of these guys would waive and if so would either have interest in Nashville because they are basically in the most dire need.
- hereticpride

The problem there IMO is they are selling low, basically a salary dump, for what? To overpay again in FA? They might as well keep both and hope Hartsy has a 37 goal season - then trade him.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jun 6 @ 8:12 PM ET
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jun 6 @ 8:14 PM ET
Agreed. Unfortunately the two guys most of us agree on moving (Vinny and Hartnell) are both tied to long term deals with NTCs. I wonder if either of these guys would waive and if so would either have interest in Nashville because they are basically in the most dire need.
- hereticpride


It's going to be a fluid situation. It's going to take other teams willing to deal. The cap rising helps, but at the same time there's going to be guys who are available as teams use the last gasp use of compliance buy outs, other players being shopped that might be more attractive and regular course free agents.

I'm also not sure how eager Hextall is to tie up future cap with either big deals or by eating cash.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jun 6 @ 8:17 PM ET
It's going to be a fluid situation. It's going to take other teams willing to deal. The cap rising helps, but at the same time there's going to be guys who are available as teams use the last gasp use of compliance buy outs, other players being shopped that might be more attractive and regular course free agents.

I'm also not sure how eager Hextall is to tie up future cap with either big deals or by eating cash.

- Jsaquella

All true points. I'm just hoping Lavi tries to take one of them from us, thats all.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Jun 6 @ 8:20 PM ET
All true points. I'm just hoping Lavi tries to take one of them from us, thats all.
- hereticpride


Take Vinny, please.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 6 @ 8:36 PM ET
I don't disagree... I could trade the whole team and get $71 million in cap space... But as is sign b schenn and a back up goalie and you spent $4 of the $6.5 mil in available cap space and they still need to sign 1-2 dmen and a couple on the 4th line. Its tight.
- moylander


Yea it is tight, but it's always going to be tight with the Flyers. And always has been. But yet every year they have room to do things. This year will be no different.
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