Pouliot better be something special (top 4) for that Staal trade to be truly considered a win for the Pens.

By all accounts, Sutter is a decent 3rd line guy. Nothing terribly special. I know..."but if we get him some wingers..." blah blah blah. Good player. That's it. If he commands close to $5 mill on his next deal, I'll pass. He still isn't the player Stall is.

Doum had that 5th/6th look to him last year. Its early I know but that's what I see.
- 87_71_11_29

You don't consider it a win already? I mean Shero managed to get all that despite the whole league knowing Staal wasn't going to re-sign and that essentially, he wouldn't go anywhere but CAR or NYR.

You're talking a highly rated NHL player in Sutter that has outperformed Staal side by side. A defensemen in Dumoulin that has taken to our system very well because of his time at BC. Then the 8th overall pick which could've been any of a slew of great kids in that draft. I'd have gone forward but Pouliot could turn out to be a great selection.

I just think all that for one player that has underperformed in Carolina is an easy win. Consider that Dumoulin may be in the NHL this next year and that Pouliot could be ready as early as next year and it's even easier.

So I think I have figured out why Pierre is actually talking to the Pens so much at this stage of the game.

He got the first interview, but then he is in fact the one pushing all the rumors of his high chances of being GM. All the encounters and talks with the Penguins since have been them politely asking him to clear the air and unassociated himself with the GM hunt.

Who would be on board for taking a run at Ryan Johansen? He's an RFA. Columbus would clearly be inclined to match an offer but I'd try it anyway. Honestly, I'm not sure of the details but I'd look into trading for his rights if it were possible.

The kid has the potential to be a star in the league very, very soon...if he isn't already. If we we're talking Neal going to Columbus I would do it. You'd save on Johansen now and have a player that can create for himself and play center or wing.

YES...I'm aware this probably never, ever happens.

You don't consider it a win already? I mean Shero managed to get all that despite the whole league knowing Staal wasn't going to re-sign and that essentially, he wouldn't go anywhere but CAR or NYR.

You're talking a highly rated NHL player in Sutter that has outperformed Staal side by side. A defensemen in Dumoulin that has taken to our system very well because of his time at BC. Then the 8th overall pick which could've been any of a slew of great kids in that draft. I'd have gone forward but Pouliot could turn out to be a great selection.

I just think all that for one player that has underperformed in Carolina is an easy win. Consider that Dumoulin may be in the NHL this next year and that Pouliot could be ready as early as next year and it's even easier.
- HopintheCordoba

I do think Shero got great return under the circumstances.

My point is, as of today, Carolina got the best player in the deal. Staal is a better player that Sutter.

Pouliot is the key to the deal IMO. If he turns out to be a top 4 (and by all accounts, he is trending that way), slam dunk win for the Pens. If he turns out to be just another guy, Doumolin is a 5/6 guy, and Sutter walks because he wants around $5 mill, then its not a clean sweep victory for the Pens.

Bottom line...its too early to declare "Pens win that trade".

Pouliot better be something special (top 4) for that Staal trade to be truly considered a win for the Pens.

By all accounts, Sutter is a decent 3rd line guy. Nothing terribly special. I know..."but if we get him some wingers..." blah blah blah. Good player. That's it. If he commands close to $5 mill on his next deal, I'll pass. He still isn't the player Stall is.

Doum had that 5th/6th look to him last year. Its early I know but that's what I see.
- 87_71_11_29

Staal trade is already a win. Staal a six million dollar man that can't get 45 points in an expanded role ... blah, blah, blah. His contract would have been hard to unload and would have put us in serious jeopardy.

Sutter, Dumoullin and Pouliot is an easy win over Staal. For those who can't see it ... God help you.

I do think Shero got great return under the circumstances.

My point is, as of today, Carolina got the best player in the deal. Staal is a better player that Sutter.

Pouliot is the key to the deal IMO. If he turns out to be a top 4 (and by all accounts, he is trending that way), slam dunk win for the Pens. If he turns out to be just another guy, Doumolin is a 5/6 guy, and Sutter walks because he wants around $5 mill, then its not a clean sweep victory for the Pens.

Bottom line...its too early to declare "Pens win that trade".
- 87_71_11_29

Pittsburgh wins the deal. It's not hard to figure it out. 10 year deal at 6 million for Staal would have put this franchise in major trouble. It would have been an immovable contract that the franchise would have been stuck with - worse than Letang's contract. Sutter may not be Staal in Pittsburgh, but Staal has been a flop in Carolina based on his contract. He wanted an expanded role, but he has failed thus far.

You can't look at Staal without taking a look at his horrid contract. We should be thankful he said no to Shero's offer. Stop looking at the player. Then again, go ahead. You think he is worth $6 million per for the next nine years? LOL.

Not sure I'd say Staal is a better player right now. You put Sutter with better wingers than Pyatt and Glass for 80% of the season, Sutter has better numbers than Staal on Pittsburgh's third line, when Staal was on Carolina's second. I suppose you forgot Sutter had Glass and Pyatt on his wings and you are just looking at the numbers and nothing else.

Pittsburgh wins the deal. It's not hard to figure it out. 10 year deal at 6 million for Staal would have put this franchise in major trouble. It would have been an immovable contract that the franchise would have been stuck with - worse than Letang's contract. Sutter may not be Staal in Pittsburgh, but Staal has been a flop in Carolina based on his contract. He wanted an expanded role, but he has failed thus far.

You can't look at Staal without taking a look at his horrid contract. We should be thankful he said no to Shero's offer. Stop looking at the player. Then again, go ahead. You think he is worth $6 million per for the next nine years? LOL.

Not sure I'd say Staal is a better player right now. You put Sutter with better wingers than Pyatt and Glass for 80% of the season, Sutter has better numbers than Staal on Pittsburgh's third line, when Staal was on Carolina's second. I suppose you forgot Sutter had Glass and Pyatt on his wings and you are just looking at the numbers and nothing else.
- Oneonta Penguin

Don't put the salaries in the equation who would you prefer to have as your 3rd line center? So yes Staal is the better player and it's not even close. Plus Carolina sucks. I'll agree I'm glad he didn't sign that contract with us

Staal trade is already a win. Staal a six million dollar man that can't get 45 points in an expanded role ... blah, blah, blah. His contract would have been hard to unload and would have put us in serious jeopardy.

Sutter, Dumoullin and Pouliot is an easy win over Staal. For those who can't see it ... God help you.
- Oneonta Penguin

This is very true, but Sutter brings that trade back down to being even.

Don't put the salaries in the equation who would you prefer to have as your 3rd line center? So yes Staal is the better player and it's not even close. Plus Carolina sucks. I'll agree I'm glad he didn't sign that contract with us
- dbell646

You have to put salaries in the equation. This is a capped league and the Pens would have been morons to sign him to the offer they gave him. It's the same offer Carolina gave him.

Staal at 6 million for the next nine years is a horrid investment. Sutter at 4 million is a bargain compared to that. Not even close. I expect 70-75 points coming from a 6 million forward. Staal is far from that. He wanted an expanded role; got it, and looked miserable. I would have loved to see what Brandon would have done with Staal's wingers this year instead of Pyatt and Glass for 75% of the year. Something tells me, he out points Staal. Put good wingers with Sutter and he is an effective center.

This is very true, but Sutter brings that trade back down to being even.
- nbartley9

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You have to put salaries in the equation. This is a capped league and the Pens would have been morons to sign him to the offer they gave him. It's the same offer Carolina gave him.

Staal at 6 million for the next nine years is a horrid investment. Sutter at 4 million is a bargain compared to that. Not even close. I expect 70-75 points coming from a 6 million forward. Staal is far from that. He wanted an expanded role; got it, and looked miserable. I would have loved to see what Brandon would have done with Staal's wingers this year instead of Pyatt and Glass for 75% of the year. Something tells me, he out points Staal. Put good wingers with Sutter and he is an effective center.
- Oneonta Penguin

I'm not questioning that Sutter is an effective center assuming he has good wingers. You're implying that Sutter is a better player and one you would covet more so then Staal and that's just not true. Staal is head and shoulders above Sutter. How'd they both do with Kennedy and Cooke?

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- Oneonta Penguin

Not at all, he was a throw in piece to bring that trade down. Carolina knew exactly what they were doing, logic indicates that there would be no reason to trade a respectable player along with 2 more prospects for a guy that openly said after one more year of his contract here he was going to Carolina anyways.

Please explain?

I'm not questioning that Sutter is an effective center assuming he has good wingers. You're implying that Sutter is a better player and one you would covet more so then Staal and that's just not true. Staal is head and shoulders above Sutter. How'd they both do with Kennedy and Cooke?
- dbell646

I'm saying Sutter is much better value than Staal. I don't think Staal is as good right now as he was in Pittsburgh. I wouldn't say head and shoulders above him right now at all. Staal has been average at best with better wingers in Carolina.

Remember, Staal played how long with Cooke and Kennedy? Refresh my memory.

How would Staal do with Pyatt and Glass?

Not at all, he was a throw in piece to bring that trade down. Carolina knew exactly what they were doing, logic indicates that there would be no reason to trade a respectable player along with 2 more prospects for a guy that openly said after one more year of his contract here he was going to Carolina anyways.

Please explain?
- nbartley9

Dumoullin was the throw in piece, not Sutter. Sutter and the #8 pick were the two things Shero asked for immediately.

God, your hatred for Sutter is very blind. Yep, he certainly was the same player after the trade deadline as he was when he lugged around Glass and Pyatt. Play him with two capable wingers, not crap, and he is a very solid player.

Again, you are nothing more than an attention seeker.

I'm saying Sutter is much better value than Staal. I don't think Staal is as good right now as he was in Pittsburgh. I wouldn't say head and shoulders above him right now at all. Staal has been average at best with better wingers in Carolina.

Remember, Staal played how long with Cooke and Kennedy? Refresh my memory.

How would Staal do with Pyatt and Glass?
- Oneonta Penguin

Totally lost interest and respect for your opinion, not that you would care but wow this is laughable.

Dumoullin was the throw in piece, not Sutter. Sutter and the #8 pick were the two things Shero asked for immediately.

God, your hatred for Sutter is very blind. Yep, he certainly was the same player after the trade deadline as he was when he lugged around Glass and Pyatt. Play him with two capable wingers, not crap, and he is a very solid player.

Again, you are nothing more than an attention seeker.
- Oneonta Penguin

Then this is what should be written on his pink slip.

Totally lost interest and respect for your opinion, not that you would care but wow this is laughable.
- nbartley9

Jordan Staal ... 40 point Jordan Staal on a second line in Carolina with better wingers will be making 6 million for the next nine years. Yep, I'm a retard for thinking Sutter is better value. Put good wingers with Sutter and he outpoints Staal on Pittsburgh's third line, not Carolina's second.

Then again, I'm responding to a guy that thinks Matt Cooke is God. Talk about lost interest and respect for your opinion and laughable.

Dumoullin was the throw in piece, not Sutter. Sutter and the #8 pick were the two things Shero asked for immediately.

God, your hatred for Sutter is very blind. Yep, he certainly was the same player after the trade deadline as he was when he lugged around Glass and Pyatt. Play him with two capable wingers, not crap, and he is a very solid player.

Again, you are nothing more than an attention seeker.
- Oneonta Penguin

OK so your saying Carolina willingly got rid of a very highly thought of player for a guy that openly said I will be going to Carolina next year FOR FREE? hahaha wow your very gullible, and I hope you truly don't believe that.

OK so your saying Carolina willingly got rid of a very highly thought of player for a guy that openly said I will be going to Carolina next year FOR FREE? hahaha wow your very gullible, and I hope you truly don't believe that.
- nbartley9

Dude, do you actually listen to what happens? Shero contacted Sather from the Rangers about Staal. Why? Because there is another Staal there. Rutherford got scared and added the final piece to the puzzle. It was obvious Jordan wanted to play with a brother. He goes to NY, enjoys is and then resigns there ... Rutherford doesn't get him at all. It may have been the best move he would have made.

It's obvious what happened. It has been reported numerous times too.

Jordan Staal ... 40 point Jordan Staal on a second line in Carolina with better wingers will be making 6 million for the next nine years. Yep, I'm a retard for thinking Sutter is better value. Put good wingers with Sutter and he outpoints Staal on Pittsburgh's third line, not Carolina's second.

Then again, I'm responding to a guy that thinks Matt Cooke is God. Talk about lost interest and respect for your opinion and laughable.
- Oneonta Penguin

Tell that to a team that has been total garbage since he left, and to a Wild team that has flourished since his arrival. Coincidence possibly, but doesn't look that way to me.

Dude, do you actually listen to what happens? Shero contacted Sather from the Rangers about Staal. Why? Because there is another Staal there. Rutherford got scared and added the final piece to the puzzle. It was obvious Jordan wanted to play with a brother. He goes to NY, enjoys is and then resigns there ... Rutherford doesn't get him at all. It may have been the best move he would have made.

It's obvious what happened. It has been reported numerous times too.
- Oneonta Penguin

You just make stuff up.

The second after it happened TSN was praising Shero during the draft coverage for getting something out of nothing, saying that Staal wanted to go specifically to CAROLINA not to NY. He wanted to play in Carolina period, NY wouldn't have even been an option had Staal waited until the offseason and signed where ever he wanted. Shero got hosed into taking a locker room/moral killer in Sutter, that is one of the many reasons he is standing in the unemployment line as we speak.

I'm saying Sutter is much better value than Staal. I don't think Staal is as good right now as he was in Pittsburgh. I wouldn't say head and shoulders above him right now at all. Staal has been average at best with better wingers in Carolina.

Remember, Staal played how long with Cooke and Kennedy? Refresh my memory.

How would Staal do with Pyatt and Glass?
- Oneonta Penguin

Staal is a much better and more complete player. It's why there were 2 teams willing to pay him 60 million that we know about. Cooke Kennedy are the only wingers in common. If we did sign that contract there is no doubt in my mind Letang would be gone and we don't know what assets we would have received in return. Sutter at 4 mil :yuck. ANyway wonder if we get a new GM today

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- Oneonta Penguin

You throw this "you're looking for attention" thing around fairly often, and the irony is delicious everytime.

You throw this "you're looking for attention" thing around fairly often, and the irony is delicious everytime.
- BulliesPhan87

Yum

Tell that to a team that has been total garbage since he left, and to a Wild team that has flourished since his arrival. Coincidence possibly, but doesn't look that way to me.
- nbartley9

The Pens miss(ed) Dupuis a lot more than they miss(ed) Matt Cooke.