New guy is going to be busy. Roster analysis, draft prep, free agency.

Kind if idiotic they don't have a guy in place yet. They had to have someone in mind before canning Shero.

Hope they have some good coffee over there at Console...
- 87_71_11_29

Just in. Pierre NBC conference call.

@JoshYohe_Trib: Pierre refused to say if he is a finalist for Pens GM job. Said he has no way of knowing if he's a finalist, but says he is involved.

Also said, Shero did a fantastic job in his tenure. Hmmm. Of course they're buddies. Interesting stuff.

I don't think its fair to label him a failure at his role yet. Still early. But its trending that way for sure.

However, its interesting to see that he is literally doing the same thing with Carolina that he did here so one could argue that he really isn't in any new role at all. I know technically he is their 2nd line center. But he is still getting lots of ice time, kills penalties, and is on the 2nd PP. Sounds familiar.

They actually played him a lot on the #1 PP the strike year and I guess they didn't like what they saw. So I guess thats the failure if one is to be had.

Oh well. I still miss him as a player.
- 87_71_11_29

He needs to start producing more on par of a 2nd line center. He needs to start being closer to 60-65. Not 40. Meanwhile still contributing to his other roles. Especially with the money that Carolina is paying him now.

Also I just want to say that I find it hilarious how some of you posters are living and dying on the GM watch. It reminds me of #Parisewatch and #Jagrwatch.

He needs to start producing more on par of a 2nd line center. He needs to start being closer to 60-65. Not 40. Meanwhile still contributing to his other roles. Especially with the money that Carolina is paying him now.

Also I just want to say that I find it hilarious how some of you posters are living and dying on the GM watch. It reminds me of #Parisewatch and #Jagrwatch.
- Ben37

I wouldn't say I'm living and dying. Just need to figure something out soon.

He needs to start producing more on par of a 2nd line center. He needs to start being closer to 60-65. Not 40. Meanwhile still contributing to his other roles. Especially with the money that Carolina is paying him now.

Also I just want to say that I find it hilarious how some of you posters are living and dying on the GM watch. It reminds me of #Parisewatch and #Jagrwatch.
- Ben37

With Pierre in the mix, it's more dying. As a draft and scout guy fine, running the team...

What are some examples of things that PM would do as a GM to ruin this team? Everyone is so scared he is going to run the pens into the ground, but no one says why. I have no idea who should be the new GM but I don't think Mario is considering him just because the two have history and a long standing friendship. Trust Mario.

What are some examples of things that PM would do as a GM to ruin this team? Everyone is so scared he is going to run the pens into the ground, but no one says why. I have no idea who should be the new GM but I don't think Mario is considering him just because the two have history and a long standing friendship. Trust Mario.
- Grinder47

Being the GM.

He needs to start producing more on par of a 2nd line center. He needs to start being closer to 60-65. Not 40. Meanwhile still contributing to his other roles. Especially with the money that Carolina is paying him now.

Also I just want to say that I find it hilarious how some of you posters are living and dying on the GM watch. It reminds me of #Parisewatch and #Jagrwatch.
- Ben37

exactly ... I'm sure when Carolina signed him, it penciled in more than 40 points in 82 games. Heck, he did better with Kennedy and Cooke on his wing on the third line in Pittsburgh. 6 million for that is way too much.

From Rotoworld:

"
Jim Rutherford is in the running for the Pittsburgh Penguins' general manager job.

Rutherford was the long-time general manager of the Carolina Hurricanes, but he recently stepped down from that post. NBC Sports' Pierre McGuire also told TSN 1050 that he has been in discussions with the Penguins' management. "


- kfinl170

I don't see how this can be possible. If they fired Shero for the reasons why they said, isn't Rutherford basically the same ... a horrible draft record. His farm system in Carolina SUCKED ASS. Add in his horrible contracts to Semin and Jordan Staal, I don't see how he would be n consideration.

What are some examples of things that PM would do as a GM to ruin this team? Everyone is so scared he is going to run the pens into the ground, but no one says why. I have no idea who should be the new GM but I don't think Mario is considering him just because the two have history and a long standing friendship. Trust Mario.
- Grinder47

x2 on trusting Mario. Remember when he flew the ownership group to Houston and Kansas to threaten moving the team w/o a new stadium? Turns out they were just golfing and it was all smoke and mirrors, never wanted to move the Pens.

However, the new GM has about 5 seasons to build around 87 and 71 for their prime. After that, they will be old and we will be looking at the new brand of Pens hockey.

What are some examples of things that PM would do as a GM to ruin this team? Everyone is so scared he is going to run the pens into the ground, but no one says why. I have no idea who should be the new GM but I don't think Mario is considering him just because the two have history and a long standing friendship. Trust Mario.
- Grinder47

Trade Crosby for a "Monster".

I understand the fear of McGuire being the GM, but i think it stems from the fact that everybody hates him from when he does commentary for games. He knows hockey better then 98% of people in the world. He is known as one of the better talent evaluaters in hockey, especially at the junior level. He is also well connected with a majority of the players in the NHL.

I'm not hoping for him to be the GM, as my ideal choice would be Brisebois, with Botterill being retained as well. That would be a great young duo. I understand the reasoning behind looking into McGuire. If he doesn't get hired by the Penguins, i wouldn't be surprised to see him get a GM gig in the next 2-3 years.

Yeah its a win win. Pierre drives us into the ground and everyone gets a tolerable person between the benches on NBC.

Just vomited....excuse me...
- 87_71_11_29

and yet again you get the chance to select one of the top prospects to come into the draft at number 1 yet again.

I remember that Pierre McGuire was being considered for the Habs GM, which was later filled by Bergevin. Then I remember 2012 draft which came shortly after. Pierre said (as an analyst) that the Habs should be looking to deal Subban and the #3 pick to Edmonton and get the #1 overall pick and get a future star in Yakupov. Subban was a really good young player at the time but this was before his Norris breakout season. Now can you imagine the distaster that would have been? Subban + Galchenyuk for Yakupov? I also remember when we drafted Price at #5, he said it was so wrong with Gilbert Brule still on the board.

Thats the problem with Pierre. He will spend so much time drooling over certain players that he wont make the right decisions. Just my take...

TSN reported that he had two interviews now with the Penguins. I like the Pens so I hope he doesn't get the job.

I understand the fear of McGuire being the GM, but i think it stems from the fact that everybody hates him from when he does commentary for games. He knows hockey better then 98% of people in the world. He is known as one of the better talent evaluaters in hockey, especially at the junior level. He is also well connected with a majority of the players in the NHL.

I'm not hoping for him to be the GM, as my ideal choice would be Brisebois, with Botterill being retained as well. That would be a great young duo. I understand the reasoning behind looking into McGuire. If he doesn't get hired by the Penguins, i wouldn't be surprised to see him get a GM gig in the next 2-3 years.
- cap1681

Not doubting the dude know a poopload of hockey. Doesn't mean that translates to running an entire operation.

My concerns...

1. Do some research online about the various opinions on him from within the hockey community.

2. He's interviewed several times and has yet to be hired.

3. Confirmed egomaniac.

I'll pass.

I don't see how this can be possible. If they fired Shero for the reasons why they said, isn't Rutherford basically the same ... a horrible draft record. His farm system in Carolina SUCKED ASS. Add in his horrible contracts to Semin and Jordan Staal, I don't see how he would be n consideration.
- Oneonta Penguin

Who would you rather have....

Staal at $6 mill or Neal at $5 mill?

Who would you rather have....

Staal at $6 mill or Neal at $5 mill?
- 87_71_11_29

It's not even a debate to me ... Neal at $5 million for the next three instead of Staal for the next eight or nine at $6 million. Not close. That is too much to pay a third line center. Staal's contract is one of the worst deals in hockey for an organization, especially for a guy that struggles to get 50 points as a second line guy.

It's not who would you rather have at this price. You have to add the term too. Neal at his salary and term is much better than Staal at his salary and term. It's not even close.

Not too many young guys that score 35-40 goals per season go for 5 million per. It doesn't happen. To me, Jordan's contract is more immovable than Kris Letang's.

I remember that Pierre McGuire was being considered for the Habs GM, which was later filled by Bergevin. Then I remember 2012 draft which came shortly after. Pierre said (as an analyst) that the Habs should be looking to deal Subban and the #3 pick to Edmonton and get the #1 overall pick and get a future star in Yakupov. Subban was a really good young player at the time but this was before his Norris breakout season. Now can you imagine the distaster that would have been? Subban + Galchenyuk for Yakupov? I also remember when we drafted Price at #5, he said it was so wrong with Gilbert Brule still on the board.

Thats the problem with Pierre. He will spend so much time drooling over certain players that he wont make the right decisions. Just my take...

TSN reported that he had two interviews now with the Penguins. I like the Pens so I hope he doesn't get the job.
- HabsRUs

Thank you. Not many fans of other teams have shared that sentiment. For the record Bergevin has done a solid job. Good for him. The Galchenyuk pick was great...and easy. Along with a few other moves he's made them a team to be reckoned with for awhile. Hoping we can take some similar cues going forward. Time to let the kids play and be extra picky about handing out contracts to veteran FAs.

Ryan Wilson ‏@GunnerStaal 4m
What is Ales Hemsky's market value?

ummm what!!

Ryan Wilson ‏@GunnerStaal 30s
Correct answer “@Jay32600: @GunnerStaal I hope the Pens at least explore what it is.”



I am happy again

Who would you rather have....

Staal at $6 mill or Neal at $5 mill?
- 87_71_11_29

Neal at 5 mil, brian doumalin, derek pouliot, rights to brandon sutter

wait

REHIRE SHERO!

Ryan Wilson ‏@GunnerStaal 4m
What is Ales Hemsky's market value?

ummm what!!

Ryan Wilson ‏@GunnerStaal 30s
Correct answer “@Jay32600: @GunnerStaal I hope the Pens at least explore what it is.”



I am happy again
- nh4442

I wouldn't be happy with that at all.

Neal at 5 mil, brian doumalin, derek pouliot, rights to brandon sutter

wait

REHIRE SHERO!
- ChrisMS

exactly

I wouldn't be happy with that at all.
- Oneonta Penguin

I also thought of Minnesota (home state) and Columbus (impressive playoff). Both coaches were in Pittsburgh so maybe he would be a little more comfortable with their systems.
I still think Detroit is the most likely landing spot, Ken Holland has said his number one priority this summer is a right hand shooting defensemen, be that free agency, trade or draft.
- Thunderbolt

I definitely think the Wings inquire and show interest. BUT I don't see them giving him the pay day some are saying he will get. Kronwall is the Wings highest paid Dman currently @ 4.75 mil mil cap hit.

Hawks writer said oduya and sharp could be in play. I'd love both of those guys to be on the pens

Neal at 5 mil, brian doumalin, derek pouliot, rights to brandon sutter

wait

REHIRE SHERO!
- ChrisMS

Pouliot better be something special (top 4) for that Staal trade to be truly considered a win for the Pens.

By all accounts, Sutter is a decent 3rd line guy. Nothing terribly special. I know..."but if we get him some wingers..." blah blah blah. Good player. That's it. If he commands close to $5 mill on his next deal, I'll pass. He still isn't the player Stall is.

Doum had that 5th/6th look to him last year. Its early I know but that's what I see.