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BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

May 30 @ 1:30 PM ET
the Rangers dominated the game last night.

if anything, it was "LUCK" that kept it from being 4-0

- jimbro83

agreed- Vanek's fluke off stick was only legit chance imo. Tikker kept them in it.. Rangers should have had 2-3 more easy goals.
mlindsay
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

May 30 @ 1:30 PM ET
Vanek Vanished. Only question is, was he injured. If he was, he's somewhat excused.
Everyone saying a healthy Price would not have made a difference, but if Price was healthy, he would have won one of the first 2 games, I believe that and this would have went 7 games.
Congrats Rangers tho, go get the Cup.
Moving forward, I would let all UFA's walk except for Weaver, Markov (if price is right) and maybe, remotely maybe, Vanek.
As for RFA's, resign them all.
Trade bait:
- Pleks
- Emelin
- Gorges (only if its in a package for a stud D like Weber)

- Puckers

That package would have to include a heck of a lot more!
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 30 @ 1:30 PM ET
Actually it's a seven game series even if it ends if 4 genius.
Nobody is bashing the Rangers... except maybe the blog... Rangers deserved the win.

- mlindsay


ooooooooooooh
BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

May 30 @ 1:31 PM ET
ooooooooooooh
- jimbro83

BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB
Joined: 07.15.2009

May 30 @ 1:32 PM ET
That package would have to include a heck of a lot more!
- mlindsay

Mike Weber
Jordy8
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: windsor, ON
Joined: 06.21.2013

May 30 @ 1:34 PM ET
I don't understand how u think that it was just a bit of luck they lost. They were outplayed and outshot all series that's not luck. Even the game they won in ot they were "LUCKY" to get it to overtime. Anyways hate the rags kings r taking it all . Go richards n carter rub salt all over the flyers.
Desert_Dog
Location: Peoria, AZ
Joined: 03.07.2010

May 30 @ 1:34 PM ET
Say what you will about how the guy plays, but I will never use the term "character" when talking about a hockey player unless I am making fun of someone or something. Did Barry Bonds have good character? Did Mickey Mantle? Martin Brodeur? To whit "he's gonna have a great game tonight Chuck, earlier he helped an old lady across the street and visited some sick kids in the hospital."

Basically, character is a talking point that means nothing. It's an arbitrary, abstract thing to talk about that is talked about because it can't be measured, described or witness, and hence, you can't be wrong when you talk about it.

- James_Tanner


Don't even go there James. These two do not belong in the same paragraph, much less a sentence. And Vanek, Gionta were invisible when they needed to shine. "Character" players step up in crunch time.
mlindsay
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

May 30 @ 1:44 PM ET
Mike Weber
- BingoLady


Well you need to specify! When you say D and Weber... you think Shea!
mlindsay
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

May 30 @ 1:45 PM ET
ooooooooooooh
- jimbro83

99% of Rag fans have been gracious winners... then there are the 1% like yourself...
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 30 @ 1:52 PM ET
99% of Rag fans have been gracious winners... then there are the 1% like yourself...
- mlindsay


I have been very gracious, this blog says we owe it all to luck
manchester33
Colorado Avalanche
Joined: 01.26.2013

May 30 @ 1:52 PM ET
wow, this blog is chock full of sour grapes, OMG
- jimbro83


Nope, not even a little bit of sour grapes. Not a huge fan of either team and this was a great blog full of excellent points.
mlindsay
Montreal Canadiens
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

May 30 @ 1:58 PM ET
I have been very gracious, this blog says we owe it all to luck
- jimbro83

You must be joking... you've been an a-hole the whole series and even worse after
browntrout
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.22.2007

May 30 @ 2:00 PM ET
I don't think anyone could lay blame to one player being the reason why the Habs did not advance past the rangers. Puck luck aside, Rangers played better in this series as evidenced by the amount of time they held the lead in the series. Would have Carey Price changed things in this series? Maybe. You can't take anything away from Tokarski as far as the saves he had to make but he is not up to Price's level when handling the puck which is a big part of Montreal's breakout game.

Vanek was the player that he was prior to the trade. Highly skilled but at times, a non factor. He had some big plays in the Boston series and generally, he helped the team on most nights. Personally I think he was hurt because I don't think he shot the puck at all this series. Maybe it was from the Subban hit/train wreck in the Boston series. For the price he is going to ask, I'd probably pass on him.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

May 30 @ 2:03 PM ET
Nope, not even a little bit of sour grapes. Not a huge fan of either team and this was a great blog full of excellent points.
- manchester33



Thank-you.

Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

May 30 @ 2:03 PM ET
he flew to Minnesota rather than travel with Habs back to Montreal..
- BingoLady

Is that true?
cranford93
New York Rangers
Location: "For Whatever Reason"
Joined: 04.30.2007

May 30 @ 2:13 PM ET
If anything, I am objective.
- James_Tanner

Yeah then so is Ken Campbell
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 30 @ 2:13 PM ET
You must be joking... you've been an a-hole the whole series and even worse after
- mlindsay


this seems inappropriate
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 30 @ 2:17 PM ET
Thank-you.
- James_Tanner


if the Habs don't get a lucky overtime goal in game 3, it's a four game sweep, how about that angle?
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

May 30 @ 2:17 PM ET
I have been very gracious, this blog says we owe it all to luck
- jimbro83


Direct Quote:

"Rangers have been awesome and saying the Canadiens got unlucky doesn't diminish anything they have accomplished. An understanding of how luck factors into daily life is of course necessary to understand this, but let's just assume deep down people know that luck is the biggest single factor in any hockey game and move on."
icedog97
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.20.2005

May 30 @ 2:19 PM ET
wow, this blog is chock full of sour grapes, OMG
- jimbro83


I don't think that at all.

It wasn't a 'Candiens should have won because' blog...it was a 'recognize how close it was and don't overreact if you are a Canadiens fan' blog

I thought it was well written.
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

May 30 @ 2:21 PM ET
if the Habs don't get a lucky overtime goal in game 3, it's a four game sweep, how about that angle?
- jimbro83



You are correct, I am just picking random events and choosing them as the basis for my argument. You are doing the same thing and your point is no less valid - if that happened that is very much the case.

Just because the Canadiens had the two instances of bad luck I pointed out does not mean they themselves didn't have good luck in order to be in the position that they could have tied the series on that goal post before the Rangers won it in OT.

The point I was making was that the Canadiens put themselves in a position to win the series and could have done so if they had literally done nothing differently, which is true, except for the obvious butterfly effect of if they did make it 2-2 last nights game would never have happened the same way.

Ultimately, I think my original point is good because all I am saying is lay off the blame and acknowledge that everyone essentially played well and should be proud and the fans should be happy.
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

May 30 @ 2:22 PM ET
if the Habs don't get a lucky overtime goal in game 3, it's a four game sweep, how about that angle?
- jimbro83


it's a stupid angle.
big_dion
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I've been successful in business for years which is why I can be on hockeybuzz. - HH
Joined: 08.23.2010

May 30 @ 2:22 PM ET
I don't think that at all.

It wasn't a 'Candiens should have won because' blog...it was a 'recognize how close it was and don't overreact if you are a Canadiens fan' blog

I thought it was well written.

- icedog97


dont worry, we all know that jimbro guy thinks hes some sort of hero.

jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 30 @ 2:25 PM ET
dont worry, we all know that jimbro guy thinks hes some sort of hero.
- big_dion


I do, definitely
EnzoD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Denver, CO
Joined: 02.19.2014

May 30 @ 2:25 PM ET
but the guy is still going to get paid and then give the team who signs him 3 decent years and some horrible value later in the contract.


any GM who gives this slug 7 years should be fired. he is not fast and doesnt work hard. that is why he sucks in the playoffs and will decline rapidly over the next few years.
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