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Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 29 @ 1:35 PM ET
I think GiG may kill you
- PhillySportsGuy

I think he will
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 29 @ 1:37 PM ET
Here's my problem with the whole build thru the draft concept. It's simply not going to work in Phillys case and here's why. Unless Philly bottoms out for a few years and has very high picks they aren't going to get elite talent. Now to their credit in round one they usually pick a decent player and occasionally hit a home run ( g) but the odds of them finding these so called gems is extremely unlikely. Let alone being patient and developing them correctly. If your a team that consistently picks around 15-25 in round 1 building thru the draft alone won't work. Signing players to offer sheets also won't work. Teams will always match elite talent offer sheets. Free agency won't work because teams are signing their elite early to long term contracts and the very few that make it fa the price is too high plus multiple teams bidding and it's hard to land them( ie suter/parise) the only way to obtain elite talent if you pick around 15-25 consistently is to draft well in the early rounds and package those players with or without picks to go get elite talent. Prime example is what la did. We all talk of what a great deal it was for us but la was to the point where they needed a Richards type to help put them over the top. They gave up 2 young very good players to get him but that's the price.
- Sms401


youarewrong
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 29 @ 1:37 PM ET
I think he will
- Giroux_Is_God


If you do, take his tickets. I wouldn't want them to go to waste
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 29 @ 1:38 PM ET
Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers
@sbaickerCSN Public on sale is tomorrow, exclusive Flyer Wire presale is today. See you there!

I think there may be more tomorrow or something idk
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 29 @ 1:38 PM ET
I had no idea getting tickets to the draft was such a hot item.
Kind of surprised.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 29 @ 1:39 PM ET
Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers
@sbaickerCSN Public on sale is tomorrow, exclusive Flyer Wire presale is today. See you there!

I think there may be more tomorrow or something idk

- BulliesPhan87


I bet she's wrong
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

May 29 @ 1:39 PM ET
Here's my problem with the whole build thru the draft concept. It's simply not going to work in Phillys case and here's why. Unless Philly bottoms out for a few years and has very high picks they aren't going to get elite talent. Now to their credit in round one they usually pick a decent player and occasionally hit a home run ( g) but the odds of them finding these so called gems is extremely unlikely. Let alone being patient and developing them correctly. If your a team that consistently picks around 15-25 in round 1 building thru the draft alone won't work. Signing players to offer sheets also won't work. Teams will always match elite talent offer sheets. Free agency won't work because teams are signing their elite early to long term contracts and the very few that make it fa the price is too high plus multiple teams bidding and it's hard to land them( ie suter/parise) the only way to obtain elite talent if you pick around 15-25 consistently is to draft well in the early rounds and package those players with or without picks to go get elite talent. Prime example is what la did. We all talk of what a great deal it was for us but la was to the point where they needed a Richards type to help put them over the top. They gave up 2 young very good players to get him but that's the price.
- Sms401


how come the players you acquired in those deals, along with giroux (who many still regard as the best player in the league) cant eventually put the flyers into the position that the kings were in, and then you can acquire your own fric and frac type guys to put the team over the top?
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 29 @ 1:39 PM ET
Philadelphia Flyers @NHLFlyers
@sbaickerCSN Public on sale is tomorrow, exclusive Flyer Wire presale is today. See you there!

I think there may be more tomorrow or something idk

- BulliesPhan87

Okay so they gave out free ones today but you can buy them tomorrow is how I read that.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 29 @ 1:39 PM ET
I had no idea getting tickets to the draft was such a hot item.
Kind of surprised.

- Marc D

They draw big crowds for practices, so I guess I'm not that surprised
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 29 @ 1:39 PM ET
I bet she's wrong
- PhillySportsGuy

that was the Flyers twitter replying to her
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 29 @ 1:40 PM ET
I had no idea getting tickets to the draft was such a hot item.
Kind of surprised.

- Marc D


They should have a Summer Classic draft to accommodate the fans. Have it at Citizens Bank Park during a Phillies game.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 29 @ 1:40 PM ET
Okay so they gave out free ones today but you can buy them tomorrow is how I read that.
- mayorofangrytown

Better than none.

How do I sign up?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

May 29 @ 1:40 PM ET
Okay so they gave out free ones today but you can buy them tomorrow is how I read that.
- mayorofangrytown

They use the word sale for both, so maybe not? Only one way to find out
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 29 @ 1:40 PM ET
that was the Flyers twitter replying to her
- BulliesPhan87


I still don't believe it
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 29 @ 1:41 PM ET
I bet she's wrong
- PhillySportsGuy

She's usually wrong. I would love to constantly bash her but I have a thing about being mean to women, even ones who come across like her.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

May 29 @ 1:41 PM ET
I had no idea getting tickets to the draft was such a hot item.
Kind of surprised.

- Marc D



last year i met tie domi and the stanley cup guy


lol
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 29 @ 1:41 PM ET
I had no idea getting tickets to the draft was such a hot item.
Kind of surprised.

- Marc D


Everyone wants to say they were there when the Flyers draft the next Gretzky.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 29 @ 1:42 PM ET
how come the players you acquired in those deals, along with giroux (who many still regard as the best player in the league) cant eventually put the flyers into the position that the kings were in, and then you can acquire your own fric and frac type guys to put the team over the top?
- stayinthefnnet



Defense is not in sync with the forwards.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 29 @ 1:43 PM ET
Everyone wants to say they were there when the Flyers draft the next Falloon.
- PLindbergh31


ftfy
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 29 @ 1:43 PM ET
last year i met tie domi and the stanley cup guy


lol

- -davies-


Did the Stanley Cup guy have his white gloves on, and the 1970's haircut like he just walked off the set of Starsky and Hutch
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 29 @ 1:43 PM ET
Unless Philly bottoms out for a few years and has very high picks they aren't going to get elite talent.
- Sms401



Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

May 29 @ 1:44 PM ET
I had no idea getting tickets to the draft was such a hot item.
Kind of surprised.

- Marc D

Well I mean I've never been to a draft, and probably will have to wait however many years until one is relatively local.

I thought it'd be pretty cool.

But no.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 29 @ 1:44 PM ET
ftfy
- jmatchett383


Fat Balloon was awesome!
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

May 29 @ 1:44 PM ET
Did the Stanley Cup guy have his white gloves on, and the 1970's haircut like he just walked off the set of Starsky and Hutch
- PLindbergh31



former poster sarahB and i got a great photo with him. he still has the hair but wasn't wearing the gloves.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

May 29 @ 1:45 PM ET
last year i met tie domi and the stanley cup guy


lol

- -davies-

Tie Domi!

and the blond guy with the white gloves?

that sounds pretty cool
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