i hate that (frank)ing wussy. and i dont know why. his face. he just looks like a spoiled rich little private school wiener. and his facial hair. i hate him.
- stayinthefnnet

they have a handful of scrappers who are hard to not respect. but still, their whole style is complete and utter bullpoop.

i dont hate them for their stars aligning as far as scheduling goes. the east is pitiful right now. anyone could have made a run, especially once MTL knocked out boston. i truly think if boston didnt have to play the habs they'd already have the conference locked up.

i hate them for how they play the game, and i hate that they are permitted to do it.
- stayinthefnnet

Yeah. I thought the only east team that could beat Boston would be Montreal.

i hate that (frank)ing wussy. and i dont know why. his face. he just looks like a spoiled rich little private school wiener. and his facial hair. i hate him.
- stayinthefnnet

i think he got the broadway hat for running price that night

I think the coaching staff has been very reluctant to move guys around on the PP because the top unit has been so good for 3 years now.

I would, personally, like to see Jake moved to the 2nd unit. They badly need a puck possession player on the second unit. I feel Voracek is under utilized by being mainly a trigger man. He's much more of a distributor than shooter. I always wanted to see VL and Jagr on the top unit because of their one timers.
- PhillySportsGuy

I'd even go as far as breaking up Giroux and Voracek at even strength. Build two good possession lines, rather than relying on just one.

I'd even go as far as breaking up Giroux and Voracek at even strength. Build two good possession lines, rather than relying on just one.
- bradleyc4

They just need to find another winger to play with Giroux. I wish they never got rid of Jagr

They just need to find another winger to play with Giroux. I wish they never got rid of Jagr
- PhillySportsGuy

Matt Read.

1. I'm not saying it's good for Jake's overall numbers. I just think it would be better for the team.

2. Just because he is the 2nd best forward doesn't mean he needs to be on the top unit. Jeff Carter was either our best or 2nd best forward for years and spent much of his time on the 2nd unit.

3. The 2nd unit PP time would increase with Jake on it.
- PhillySportsGuy

1. Disagree (respectfully). You can't take the third highest point producer on the PP (Gs and Pts) off a successful top unit and make for a better PP.

2. It certainly helps.

3. The second unit may get a sparingly increased amount of time but Vorachek's time will still be greatly reduced. Not a good thing IMO.

I'm open to moving Hartnell maybe and even Timmonen with his decline but as of the end of this past season Giroux, Vorachek and Simmonds are the core of a very successful PP that often carried this team to wins. The 3 of them accounted for more than half of the team's PP goals. Hartnell added another 9. I'd wager the bulk of Vinny's PP goals came with that first unit.

I'd even go as far as breaking up Giroux and Voracek at even strength. Build two good possession lines, rather than relying on just one.
- bradleyc4

Now that I'd do.

they have a handful of scrappers who are hard to not respect. but still, their whole style is complete and utter bullpoop.

i dont hate them for their stars aligning as far as scheduling goes. the east is pitiful right now. anyone could have made a run, especially once MTL knocked out boston. i truly think if boston didnt have to play the habs they'd already have the conference locked up.

i hate them for how they play the game, and i hate that they are permitted to do it.
- stayinthefnnet

I hate them because:
1) They're (frank)ing boring
2) I hate Dorsett's whining, diving, and lack of eyebrows
3) They're the New York Rangers

1. Disagree (respectfully). You can't take the third highest point producer on the PP (Gs and Pts) off a successful top unit and make for a better PP.

2. It certainly helps.

3. The second unit may get a sparingly increased amount of time but Vorachek's time will still be greatly reduced. Not a good thing IMO.

I'm open to moving Hartnell maybe and even Timmonen with his decline but as of the end of this past season Giroux, Vorachek and Simmonds are the core of a very successful PP that often carried this team to wins. The 3 of them accounted for more than half of the team's PP goals. Hartnell added another 9. I'd wager the bulk of Vinny's PP goals came with that first unit.
- mayorofangrytown

I just feel a left handed sniper would make the top unit better or just as good as having Voracek. Then, Jake would make the 2nd unit better.

1. Disagree (respectfully). You can't take the third highest point producer on the PP (Gs and Pts) off a successful top unit and make for a better PP.

2. It certainly helps.

3. The second unit may get a sparingly increased amount of time but Vorachek's time will still be greatly reduced. Not a good thing IMO.

I'm open to moving Hartnell maybe and even Timmonen with his decline but as of the end of this past season Giroux, Vorachek and Simmonds are the core of a very successful PP that often carried this team to wins. The 3 of them accounted for more than half of the team's PP goals. Hartnell added another 9. I'd wager the bulk of Vinny's PP goals came with that first unit.
- mayorofangrytown

I think it depends on personnel, especially on defense, by the time camp rolls around. The position that Voracek plays on the PP is basically a defenseman's role. The Flyers don't really have anyone better as it stands now to make the move on the PP.

Now, if they can get a offensive, right-handed shot on the blue line, I'd reconsider.

I think it depends on personnel, especially on defense, by the time camp rolls around. The position that Voracek plays on the PP is basically a defenseman's role. The Flyers don't really have anyone better as it stands now to make the move on the PP.

Now, if they can get a offensive, right-handed shot on the blue line, I'd reconsider.
- bradleyc4

Yeah, you need to find me a better shot from the point. right now we don't have that on the roster. Well, not one that can also move the puck and maintain possession in the zone the way Vorachek does.

Yeah, you need to find me a better shot from the point. right now we don't have that on the roster. Well, not one that can also move the puck and maintain possession in the zone the way Vorachek does.
- mayorofangrytown

I thought they should have experimented with VL last season just to see if it would help.

I wanted them to use Jagr in that spot when we had him. There really isn't any drop off from Jagr to Jake.

I just feel a left handed sniper would make the top unit better or just as good as having Voracek. Then, Jake would make the 2nd unit better.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't disagree but Vinny and Schenn aren't those players. Who else can make the difference on the point that Vorachek does that we can plug in there right now. He's not on the roster right now. I don't think we can move him out under the current circumstances.

I think he still has a good shot. He just didn't create as many opportunities as he used to.

He had 8 PP goals on a pretty bad 2nd unit. Many of those came off one timers.
- PhillySportsGuy

I know he still has a good shot, but he literally has to be wide open and have a perfect pass fed to him in order to get it off. It's why we had such a god awful 5v3 PP.

I thought they should have experimented with VL last season just to see if it would help.

I wanted them to use Jagr in that spot when we had him. There really isn't any drop off from Jagr to Jake.
- PhillySportsGuy

Vinny would be a disaster at the point IMO. Jagr doesn't play the point on the PP and probably hasn't since a handful of shifts maybe in the mid 90s if ever.

I don't disagree but Vinny and Schenn aren't those players. Who else can make the difference on the point that Vorachek does that we can plug in there right now. He's not on the roster right now. I don't think we can move him out under the current circumstances.
- mayorofangrytown

I wouldn't use Schenn in Jakes spot. I just thought VL's shot could have been utilized a bit more. Once the PP got set up, it was the only time VL looked comfortable all season.

I thought they should have experimented with VL last season just to see if it would help.

I wanted them to use Jagr in that spot when we had him. There really isn't any drop off from Jagr to Jake.
- PhillySportsGuy

I do miss Jagr dearly. But I wonder if Jake would have developed the way he has -- been given the same opportunity -- if Jaromir never left.

Vinny would be a disaster at the point IMO. Jagr doesn't play the point on the PP and probably hasn't since a handful of shifts maybe in the mid 90s if ever.
- mayorofangrytown

Voracek didn't play the point. Kimmo played the point. Flyers ran a 1-3-1 PP

Like this one:




He scored a ton of these in junior.. and just got one like this in the WC's.
- Tomahawk

that's a beauty. don't recall that one...or any others like it specifically. i remember all the slam dunks on the goal line.

a play like that one where he comes in on the change and doesn't get picked up seems like it wouldn't be a normal pp type of goal, but he's clearly capable of picking a corner. as i said, i'm all for getting hartnell off the top unit, and lord knows schenn on the 2nd unit didn't click much, so mix it up.

Vinny would be a disaster at the point IMO. Jagr doesn't play the point on the PP and probably hasn't since a handful of shifts maybe in the mid 90s if ever.
- mayorofangrytown

This is why I would love to see Ghostisbiere on the team. He has the cannon and instincts to be on the point. Even if you have to run two dmen like Ghost and Streit to play it a little safer the 4 forwards

I don't disagree but Vinny and Schenn aren't those players. Who else can make the difference on the point that Vorachek does that we can plug in there right now. He's not on the roster right now. I don't think we can move him out under the current circumstances.
- mayorofangrytown

I think Couts can play that spot, if they decide to give him a little bit of ozone minutes and try to build his confidence up. Couts has a rocket of a slap shot that he never uses.

Voracek didn't play the point. Kimmo played the point. Flyers ran a 1-3-1 PP
- PhillySportsGuy

You know how it works. The players on the outside have point responsibilities. I don't need to see Vinny chasing down a flubbed puck at the point against an opposing forward. He'd have to throw all of his equipment at the guy.

Voracek didn't play the point. Kimmo played the point. Flyers ran a 1-3-1 PP
- PhillySportsGuy

Right, but in order for the 1-3-1 to work properly, everyone on it needs to be really skilled with the puck. That's not Lecavalier's strength.

Was part of you secretly rooting for the Rags to complete the comeback last night and advance to the SCF with the Queen on the bench? I must admit that would have been amazing!
- PLindbergh31

not at all. i want the whole team to die in a grease fire. and honestly, i was pissed csp got pulled. i want that dude to have to suffer through a whole game and being left out there for 60 minutes with the game out of reach in large part due to his poopty play. protect the guy's fragile ego much? jeeeez.

part of me wishes to see them advance only to lose in a cup final. it's (frank)ing rubbish they've only been to 1 final in the last 35 years and won the only time. meanwhile we're 0 for (frank)ing 5 in the same span. it's (frank)ing bullpoop. i want pain.