Would you prefer VL at his current deal, or Briere at his old deal?
- jmatchett383

Briere because he would have 1 year left on that deal. The deal would be paying him much less than the cap hit so he would be tradeable

why wouldn't you keep a guy like that who can help the AHL team and get the call up when injuries hit the team?
- nastyflyergirl

Because it is a roster spot held by a guy who will accomplish nothing at the NHL level. He is replaceable. Young players with potential also help AHL team. Frankly Flyers have too many McGinns in the system. Guys who likely won't make an NHL team

Because it is a roster spot held by a guy who will accomplish nothing at the NHL level. He is replaceable. Young players with potential also help AHL team. Frankly Flyers have too many McGinns in the system. Guys who likely won't make an NHL team
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I would qualify him. He would be the call up if Simmons or hartnell went down

Briere because he would have 1 year left on that deal. The deal would be paying him much less than the cap hit so he would be tradeable
- PhillySportsGuy

I really don't think Vinny will be hard to trade at all. We might have to keep 1.25mill but there are so many teams looking for a 2nd line center, Nashville, Anaheim, St. Louis, Buffalo(Might just want a Veteran presence for Young guys), Chicago(Hanzus is UFA), Colorado (losing Stastny to FA), Dallas, Detroit, Florida, and Isles. Vinny won't carry a huge price and I doubt he is happy playing 4th line minutes on Philly which would cause him to waive.

The only thing that has to happen is for guys like Kesler, Spezza and Stasny to drop off the market because they are going to be guys sought after first before Vinny unless teams just aren't willing to pay what is wanted for Kesler and Spezza

I really don't think Vinny will be hard to trade at all. We might have to keep 1.25mill but there are so many teams looking for a 2nd line center, Nashville, Anaheim, St. Louis, Buffalo(Might just want a Veteran presence for Young guys), Chicago(Hanzus is UFA), Colorado (losing Stastny to FA), Dallas, Detroit, Florida, and Isles. Vinny won't carry a huge price and I doubt he is happy playing 4th line minutes on Philly which would cause him to waive.

The only thing that has to happen is for guys like Kesler, Spezza and Stasny to drop off the market because they are going to be guys sought after first before Vinny unless teams just aren't willing to pay what is wanted for Kesler and Spezza
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The contract, the injury history, the horrendous play... let's just say that the shine is fully off the brand.

There are barrels of toxic waste, leveraged mortgage-backed securities and Blockbuster franchises that are probably more sellable than him right now.

Because it is a roster spot held by a guy who will accomplish nothing at the NHL level. He is replaceable. Young players with potential also help AHL team. Frankly Flyers have too many McGinns in the system. Guys who likely won't make an NHL team
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

McGinn is replaceable. He is also serviceable enough as an NHL call-up option to give a qualifying offer.

The contract, the injury history, the horrendous play... let's just say that the shine is fully off the brand.

There are barrels of toxic waste, leveraged mortgage-backed securities and Blockbuster franchises that are probably more sellable than him right now.


- Tomahawk

The injury history consists of 2 broken hands and a minor lower body injury, other then the back injury. That is the only injury that would cause concern. The contract isn't as bad as some want to make it out to be. After this upcoming season, the deal is about half paid for. And the following years the salary is low, and that could be atractive a team needing help to reach the cap floor. As far as the horrendous play, the injury and the position change had a lot to do with that. If he's healthy, and the back isn't chronic, putting him in the right spot at center, and he can still be a good player in this league.

True... but I'd still sacrifice the marginal difference in board play for the marginal increase in shooting, though... especially with Simmer still being out there.
- Tomahawk

Plus the 2nd unit could use Hartnell setting up in front

Plus the 2nd unit could use Hartnell setting up in front
- BiggE

I don't really buy Schenn, having a real good shot. I don't think his shot is anything special. But I'm not against the move. And agree that it would balance out the 2nd unit and give them a net presence, by moving Hartnell there.

McGinn is replaceable. He is also serviceable enough as an NHL call-up option to give a qualifying offer.
- bmeltzer

my thoughts exactly

Plus the 2nd unit could use Hartnell setting up in front
- BiggE

That's a good point.

I don't really buy Schenn, having a real good shot. I don't think his shot is anything special. But I'm not against the move. And agree that it would balance out the 2nd unit and give them a net presence, in moving Hartnell there.
- MJL

Thats the same thing everyone said about Hartnell until he put in 37 goals with a killer wrist shot from the circle.

my thoughts exactly
- nastyflyergirl

It would seem stupid to let him walk only to sign another AHL power forward.

Thats the same thing everyone said about Hartnell until he put in 37 goals with a killer wrist shot from the circle.
- FlyersSteve118

All 37 goals were scored from the circle? I don't think Hartnell has a great shot either. He just grips it and rips it. And he had a hot season where the puck was going in, and scored something like 16 PP goals that season. I'm not against the move, nor do I think that Schenn can't play that spot. I just don't think his shot is anything special.

Plus the 2nd unit could use Hartnell setting up in front
- BiggE

I think the coaching staff has been very reluctant to move guys around on the PP because the top unit has been so good for 3 years now.

I would, personally, like to see Jake moved to the 2nd unit. They badly need a puck possession player on the second unit. I feel Voracek is under utilized by being mainly a trigger man. He's much more of a distributor than shooter. I always wanted to see VL and Jagr on the top unit because of their one timers.

I think the coaching staff has been very reluctant to move guys around on the PP because the top unit has been so good for 3 years now.

I would, personally, like to see Jake moved to the 2nd unit. They badly need a puck possession player on the second unit. I feel Voracek is under utilized by being mainly a trigger man. He's much more of a distributor than shooter. I always wanted to see VL and Jagr on the top unit because of their one timers.
- PhillySportsGuy

That's another good suggestion.

It would seem stupid to let him walk only to sign another AHL power forward.
- PhillySportsGuy

McGinn is nothing special. If they want to keep him, fine. But they could probably find someone younger and/or cheaper to do what he does.

I think the coaching staff has been very reluctant to move guys around on the PP because the top unit has been so good for 3 years now.

I would, personally, like to see Jake moved to the 2nd unit. They badly need a puck possession player on the second unit. I feel Voracek is under utilized by being mainly a trigger man. He's much more of a distributor than shooter. I always wanted to see VL and Jagr on the top unit because of their one timers.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree, but I do love when Jake gets some open space, takes 2 strides in from the wall and rips one. More often than not, it leads to a goal or a great scoring chance.

All 37 goals were scored from the circle? I don't think Hartnell has a great shot either. He just grips it and rips it. And he had a hot season where the puck was going in, and scored something like 16 PP goals that season. I'm not against the move, nor do I think that Schenn can't play that spot. I just don't think his shot is anything special.
- MJL

Lets not forget he had Jagr with him as well. hartnell has been nowhere close to those numbers ever since. I say try Schenn out and see hat happens. If you don't like what you see go back to the way it was. There is no harm in trying.

McGinn is nothing special. If they want to keep him, fine. But they could probably find someone younger and/or cheaper to do what he does.
- jmatchett383

He won't make or break the season, but having a power forward in the minors with NHL experience isn't a bad thing. I think he's worth the roster spot. Flyers were unusually healthy this past season. I would like to have McGinn if we run into a similar circumstance to what the Pens had last year.

Lets not forget he had Jagr with him as well. hartnell has been nowhere close to those numbers ever since. I say try Schenn out and see hat happens. If you don't like what you see go back to the way it was. There is no harm in trying.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

As long as they try it in camp/preseason, sure.

He won't make or break the season, but having a power forward in the minors with NHL experience isn't a bad thing. I think he's worth the roster spot. Flyers were unusually healthy this past season. I would like to have McGinn if we run into a similar circumstance to what the Pens had last year.
- PhillySportsGuy

Well like I said, I'm not totally against it. But if we run into a circumstance similar to what Pittsburgh went through last season, I don't know how much of a difference it will make who we put out there.

I agree, but I do love when Jake gets some open space, takes 2 strides in from the wall and rips one. More often than not, it leads to a goal or a great scoring chance.
- jmatchett383

Thats true. If they move VL, they would need to find that trigger man in order to replace Jake.

I think Couturier may be able to make a larger offensive contribution as well. I would like to see him get regular PP time as well. Berube is so afraid of the shift after a failed PP. I feel like thats the reason he rarely used Couts on the PP. He had to limit his minutes somewhere.

Getting a move balanced lineup will allow him to use Couts more in scoring situations.

I think the coaching staff has been very reluctant to move guys around on the PP because the top unit has been so good for 3 years now.

I would, personally, like to see Jake moved to the 2nd unit. They badly need a puck possession player on the second unit. I feel Voracek is under utilized by being mainly a trigger man. He's much more of a distributor than shooter. I always wanted to see VL and Jagr on the top unit because of their one timers.
- PhillySportsGuy

Why would you want to cut Vorachek's PP time?

All this concern with the second PP unit is misplaced. It's great if you have a group to come out and maybe score in that last 45 to 30 seconds but let's get the puck in the net with the first unit and make it not matter. I'm not going out of my way to improve the second unit in the face of down grading the first.

I think the coaching staff has been very reluctant to move guys around on the PP because the top unit has been so good for 3 years now.

I would, personally, like to see Jake moved to the 2nd unit. They badly need a puck possession player on the second unit. I feel Voracek is under utilized by being mainly a trigger man. He's much more of a distributor than shooter. I always wanted to see VL and Jagr on the top unit because of their one timers.
- PhillySportsGuy

I always thought he was the opposite. Whenever I see the PP unit out there, Voracek is usually the guy who shoots. Giroux mostly passes it. Timonen does onetime it but rarely hits the net, Hartnell and Simmonds are more or less the guys who screen the goalie and grab the rebounds. If Vinny is still around that is worth a try still.