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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 28 @ 12:12 PM ET
If we get a couple of players for Coby ($5.5 mil), at about $1.5 mil, and don't resign Timonen ($6 mil), maybe we could sign Niskanen ($3-3.5 mil)?

That would leave:
MacD, Streit, Schenn, Grossman, Niskanen, and (Alt, Belov, or Ceci ?)

I realize that this is not the greatest D in the league, however, you have one stay at home guy paired with one mobile guy, and it has to be better than it was during the last few years.
Also, you have to get our lazy forwards to consistently play D on every shift. This D line up would allow more cap space, and flexibility with the pairings. Also, if a player starts to slump, then you can bring someone else up to shock them into better play, and allow the kids to develop a little longer.
Just some thoughts.
Thanks.

- OrangeAndBlack1


The discussion ends right here. Try $5M - $6.5M.

Bottom line: trading Coburn only makes sense if you are upgrading his spot. I don't get how he's become the new Carle.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 28 @ 12:13 PM ET
If we get a couple of players for Coby ($5.5 mil), at about $1.5 mil, and don't resign Timonen ($6 mil), maybe we could sign Niskanen ($3-3.5 mil)?

That would leave:
MacD, Streit, Schenn, Grossman, Niskanen, and (Alt, Belov, or Ceci ?)

I realize that this is not the greatest D in the league, however, you have one stay at home guy paired with one mobile guy, and it has to be better than it was during the last few years.
Also, you have to get our lazy forwards to consistently play D on every shift. This D line up would allow more cap space, and flexibility with the pairings. Also, if a player starts to slump, then you can bring someone else up to shock them into better play, and allow the kids to develop a little longer.
Just some thoughts.
Thanks.

- OrangeAndBlack1


Are you saying sign Niskanen for 3-3.5M? If so, might want to double that number.
And Coburn's cap hit is 4.5M, not 5.5M.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

May 28 @ 12:15 PM ET
If we get a couple of players for Coby ($5.5 mil), at about $1.5 mil, and don't resign Timonen ($6 mil), maybe we could sign Niskanen ($3-3.5 mil)?

That would leave:
MacD, Streit, Schenn, Grossman, Niskanen, and (Alt, Belov, or Ceci ?)

I realize that this is not the greatest D in the league, however, you have one stay at home guy paired with one mobile guy, and it has to be better than it was during the last few years.
Also, you have to get our lazy forwards to consistently play D on every shift. This D line up would allow more cap space, and flexibility with the pairings. Also, if a player starts to slump, then you can bring someone else up to shock them into better play, and allow the kids to develop a little longer.
Just some thoughts.
Thanks.

- OrangeAndBlack1

Niskanen is going to get 6+mill. also id rather get rid of grossman than coby
griouxmvp2012
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 06.27.2011

May 28 @ 12:20 PM ET
I know I may be late on this one but did NE one see the pens interviewed Pierre for the Gm job lol
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

May 28 @ 12:22 PM ET
I know I may be late on this one but did NE one see the pens interviewed Pierre for the Gm job lol
- griouxmvp2012

que the penguin gif in 3 2 1...
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 28 @ 12:22 PM ET
I know I may be late on this one but did NE one see the pens interviewed Pierre for the Gm job lol
- griouxmvp2012


Well, he's been auditioning for that gig for a few years now, so I can't imagine he'd have anything new to say in an interview.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 28 @ 12:22 PM ET
If we get a couple of players for Coby ($5.5 mil), at about $1.5 mil, and don't resign Timonen ($6 mil), maybe we could sign Niskanen ($3-3.5 mil)?

That would leave:
MacD, Streit, Schenn, Grossman, Niskanen, and (Alt, Belov, or Ceci ?)

I realize that this is not the greatest D in the league, however, you have one stay at home guy paired with one mobile guy, and it has to be better than it was during the last few years.
Also, you have to get our lazy forwards to consistently play D on every shift. This D line up would allow more cap space, and flexibility with the pairings. Also, if a player starts to slump, then you can bring someone else up to shock them into better play, and allow the kids to develop a little longer.
Just some thoughts.
Thanks.

- OrangeAndBlack1


If Niskanen would sign for that he would be staying with the Penguins.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 28 @ 12:23 PM ET
Really good suggestion... Schenn is at his deadliest taking one-timers or snappers from the high slot.

IMO, they aren't getting the most out of him by asking him to play net-front on the 2nd-unit. He can bang in loose pucks around the net w/ aplomb, but playing him from 20-30 ft out would be putting him in a better position to do more.

- Tomahawk


he is? i must not be paying attention - seriously. it seems that the majority of schenn's goals are scored right in the crease - picking up the garbage. i'd love to see a hi-lite clip of all of his goals to see how they were scored. i just don't remember him doing much damage from anywhere else.

i would like to see him do more, and i'm all for getting hartnell off the top unit. yes, his bottom circle one timers are great, but he's not a consistent threat there because they just don't set up that way very much. it's all perimeter from giroux to kimo.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 28 @ 12:25 PM ET
he is? i must not be paying attention - seriously. it seems that the majority of schenn's goals are scored right in the crease - picking up the garbage. i'd love to see a hi-lite clip of all of his goals to see how they were scored. i just don't remember him doing much damage from anywhere else.

i would like to see him do more, and i'm all for getting hartnell off the top unit. yes, his bottom circle one timers are great, but he's not a consistent threat there because they just don't set up that way very much. it's all perimeter from giroux to kimo.

- hammarby31


Absolutely agree. Schenn is a garbage man. (that is a compliment)
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 28 @ 12:26 PM ET
Funny, this sounds like going to the Winter Classic.
- jmatchett383


exactly. i was there. all the disgusting blue fans milling around destroyed the experience. cripes, i (frank)ing hate them.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 28 @ 12:27 PM ET
he is? i must not be paying attention - seriously. it seems that the majority of schenn's goals are scored right in the crease - picking up the garbage. i'd love to see a hi-lite clip of all of his goals to see how they were scored. i just don't remember him doing much damage from anywhere else.

i would like to see him do more, and i'm all for getting hartnell off the top unit. yes, his bottom circle one timers are great, but he's not a consistent threat there because they just don't set up that way very much. it's all perimeter from giroux to kimo.

- hammarby31



I thought the same thing. I must have missed the one timers and slap shots from Schenn.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 28 @ 12:28 PM ET
If we get a couple of players for Coby ($5.5 mil), at about $1.5 mil, and don't resign Timonen ($6 mil), maybe we could sign Niskanen ($3-3.5 mil)?

That would leave:
MacD, Streit, Schenn, Grossman, Niskanen, and (Alt, Belov, or Ceci ?)

I realize that this is not the greatest D in the league, however, you have one stay at home guy paired with one mobile guy, and it has to be better than it was during the last few years.
Also, you have to get our lazy forwards to consistently play D on every shift. This D line up would allow more cap space, and flexibility with the pairings. Also, if a player starts to slump, then you can bring someone else up to shock them into better play, and allow the kids to develop a little longer.
Just some thoughts.
Thanks.

- OrangeAndBlack1


what we say every single year.
PhillaBully
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.20.2010

May 28 @ 12:29 PM ET
Absolutely agree. Schenn is a garbage man. (that is a compliment)
- MBFlyerfan


Trade him for myers lol
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 28 @ 12:31 PM ET
he is? i must not be paying attention - seriously. it seems that the majority of schenn's goals are scored right in the crease - picking up the garbage. i'd love to see a hi-lite clip of all of his goals to see how they were scored. i just don't remember him doing much damage from anywhere else.
- hammarby31


Like this one:




He scored a ton of these in junior.. and just got one like this in the WC's.


PhillySteen
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Scania
Joined: 08.02.2011

May 28 @ 12:49 PM ET
Like this one:




He scored a ton of these in junior.. and just got one like this in the WC's.

- Tomahawk


Yeah, I went through his highlights on NHL.com (just search for his profile and under 'videos' they collect all his goals). A lot of garbage goals but also a bunch of lethal wristers. He's pretty good at getting at the puck during the scrums in front of the goalie.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 28 @ 12:50 PM ET
Flyers Facebook page says draft tickets for the public go on sale tomorrow, but don't give a time. Wtf.
- Giroux_Is_God


Is part of Holmgren's new job description running the Flyers facebook page?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 28 @ 12:52 PM ET
he is? i must not be paying attention - seriously. it seems that the majority of schenn's goals are scored right in the crease - picking up the garbage. i'd love to see a hi-lite clip of all of his goals to see how they were scored. i just don't remember him doing much damage from anywhere else.

i would like to see him do more, and i'm all for getting hartnell off the top unit. yes, his bottom circle one timers are great, but he's not a consistent threat there because they just don't set up that way very much. it's all perimeter from giroux to kimo.

- hammarby31


Was part of you secretly rooting for the Rags to complete the comeback last night and advance to the SCF with the Queen on the bench? I must admit that would have been amazing!
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 28 @ 12:59 PM ET
que the penguin gif in 3 2 1...
- PhillaBully

vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

May 28 @ 1:00 PM ET
Beer solves everything.
- jmatchett383

beer on ice cubes and lemon or lime....yummy
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 28 @ 1:01 PM ET
Like this one:




He scored a ton of these in junior.. and just got one like this in the WC's.

- Tomahawk


Sorry, he's only as good as what we've seen last year. There can't possibly be more to his game that hasn't surfaced with the Flyers yet.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

May 28 @ 1:02 PM ET
Absolutely agree. Schenn is a garbage man. (that is a compliment)
- MBFlyerfan

and sort of slow like the garbage men
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 28 @ 1:04 PM ET
Just got my confirmation for friday night draft tickets. Kind of bummed, I thought round two was also friday. Oh well, bring on the fun!
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 28 @ 1:08 PM ET
Just got my confirmation for friday night draft tickets. Kind of bummed, I thought round two was also friday. Oh well, bring on the fun!
- hereticpride


It's weird, because last year I think they did it all in one day, or at least the first 2-3 rounds. It was on a weekend and started in the afternoon. Most of the time, it's on a week night and they only do round 1.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 28 @ 1:11 PM ET
Well here's hoping we mother hen our prospects. I'm afraid if they don't attach an arbitrary arrival date to each of them they be ruint.

Young man you will play two yrs, count them, two yrs in Jr after you're drafted then at least one full season in the AHL and that will make you a proper NHL player.

No no son, everyone does it. Just relax, sit back and read the Hockeybuzz thread and you'll see. All of those guys with time to kill know best.

Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 28 @ 1:16 PM ET
Yeah, I went through his highlights on NHL.com (just search for his profile and under 'videos' they collect all his goals). A lot of garbage goals but also a bunch of lethal wristers. He's pretty good at getting at the puck during the scrums in front of the goalie.
- PhillySteen



Yeah, his shot is wicked.... it's a credit to him that he's able to be effective both from in-close and from distance. Bodes well for his future goal production.

Something we haven't seen yet at the NHL level is his slapper -- guy used to unleash Vinny bombs from the right-circle in Brandon. Hope we start seeing some of that, too.


Sorry, he's only as good as what we've seen last year. There can't possibly be more to his game that hasn't surfaced with the Flyers yet.
- bradleyc4


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