They did with Tim Thomas going to the Islanders not to play.

http://slapshot.blogs.nyt...php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
- Feanor

Yep. They also allowed numerous back sliding, long term contract before they slammed New Jersey for the Kovalchuk deal. Unfortunately the NHL has kind of an inconsistent history in dealing with cap avoidance deals

They did with Tim Thomas going to the Islanders not to play.

http://slapshot.blogs.nyt...php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
- Feanor

I think the League would allow the trade of Pronger to another team. Where I think the problem comes into the scenario, is when Pronger immediately retires. The team trading for him get's hit with the 35+ cap hit to help make the cap floor, without having to pay Pronger. And the Flyers immediately hire him as a "scout" and pay him the same salary. Screams circumvention for both teams.

They did with Tim Thomas going to the Islanders not to play.

http://slapshot.blogs.nyt...php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
- Feanor

There is a distinction to be made between a player who is healthy but refused to report, versus a guy who's had a career-ending injury, though. It's a little more brazen to try it w/ Prongs... NHL might not like it.

There is a distinction to be made between a player who is healthy but refused to report, versus a guy who's had a career-ending injury, though. It's a little more brazen to try it w/ Prongs... NHL might not like it.
- Tomahawk

That's also true. The possibility, albeit slim, was there for Thomas to play.

I definitely wouldn't want the Flyers to do it without prior approval from the league.

I definitely wouldn't want the Flyers to do it without prior approval from the league.
- Feanor

Yeah, got to avoid a scenario where they get hit with penalties for creative accounting

Helps need for a wing, doesn't help the defense or the cap situation
- Jsaquella

Cap is helped. Simmer 4 mil l schenn 4 mil b schenn 2-3 mil if signed. Around 10 mil saved. Eberle ( think around 5 mil???) bennet/Reinhardt/ekblad elc 1mil total around 6 mil. Obviously would want to draft ekblad at 3 but if gone bennet or Reinhardt are better than schenn anyways. And eberle better than simmonds. All we really lose to get faster and more skilled and save on cap is l schenn. No big lose

Yep. They also allowed numerous back sliding, long term contract before they slammed New Jersey for the Kovalchuk deal. Unfortunately the NHL has kind of an inconsistent history in dealing with cap avoidance deals
- Jsaquella

The part that is b.s. Is with the 35+ rule you can't negotiate player or team wise with the idea of suffering a career ending injury. I fully agree with the retirement part but when a player suffers an injury like that all the league is dueing is hurting the team by making them pay that contract. It's a freak thing.

Cap is helped. Simmer 4 mil l schenn 4 mil b schenn 2-3 mil if signed. Around 10 mil saved. Eberle ( think around 5 mil???) bennet/Reinhardt/ekblad elc 1mil total around 6 mil. Obviously would want to draft ekblad at 3 but if gone bennet or Reinhardt are better than schenn anyways. And eberle better than simmonds. All we really lose to get faster and more skilled and save on cap is l schenn. No big lose
- Sms401

The cap is hurt when you sign guys to replace L.Schenn & Simmonds.

Also how are those guys better than Schenn? The junior success they had might not translate to the NHL right away.

The part that is b.s. Is with the 35+ rule you can't negotiate player or team wise with the idea of suffering a career ending injury. I fully agree with the retirement part but when a player suffers an injury like that all the league is dueing is hurting the team by making them pay that contract. It's a freak thing.
- Sms401

I agree, I don't like to over 35 rule either. That said the flyers know that was in place when they signed Pronger

I agree, I don't like to over 35 rule either. That said the flyers know that was in place when they signed Pronger
- Jsaquella

Problem is they didnt know Pronger was 35.......doh!

Problem is they didnt know Pronger was 35.......doh!
- Just5

The junior success they had might not translate to the NHL right away.
- Jsaquella

... or at all.

Potentially trading 3 NHL players for 1 is damned risky.

... or at all.

Potentially trading 3 NHL players for 1 is damned risky.
- Tomahawk

I bet the quality for quantity trades work out better for the team receiving more players more often.

The part that is b.s. Is with the 35+ rule you can't negotiate player or team wise with the idea of suffering a career ending injury. I fully agree with the retirement part but when a player suffers an injury like that all the league is dueing is hurting the team by making them pay that contract. It's a freak thing.
- Sms401

Marc Savard was under 35 when he signed his last contract but he still hasn't retired and remains on the Bruins payroll and cap. We'll see if he walks away from $1,150,000 next offseason.

... or at all.

Potentially trading 3 NHL players for 1 is damned risky.
- Tomahawk

Yep. I like all of those guys, but B. Schenn was almost as highly touted as them in his draft year

I bet the quality for quantity trades work out better for the team receiving more players more often.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah, there are very few players in the league that can out-produce multiple good players.

Eberle isn't one of them... and the kids from this draft are more on a Turris/JvR timetable than a Kane.

Yeah, there are very few players in the league that can out-produce multiple good players.

Eberle isn't one of them... and the kids from this draft are more on a Turris/JvR timetable than a Kane.
- Tomahawk

I know. If it was a top 3 pick next season, I would be interested.

Yep. I like all of those guys, but B. Schenn was almost as highly touted as them in his draft year
- Jsaquella

The wildcard is Draisaitl... maybe he's a franchise player... dunno.

The part that is b.s. Is with the 35+ rule you can't negotiate player or team wise with the idea of suffering a career ending injury. I fully agree with the retirement part but when a player suffers an injury like that all the league is dueing is hurting the team by making them pay that contract. It's a freak thing.
- Sms401

Should a player who suffers a career ending injury on the ice, not be paid?

The part that is b.s. Is with the 35+ rule you can't negotiate player or team wise with the idea of suffering a career ending injury. I fully agree with the retirement part but when a player suffers an injury like that all the league is dueing is hurting the team by making them pay that contract. It's a freak thing.
- Sms401

Well, they are going to pay the player. Injured players still get paid.

What you don't want is for that payment to count against the salary cap. That's the stupid part.

The wildcard is Draisaitl... maybe he's a franchise player... dunno.
- Tomahawk

He doesn't really have much speed

Well, they are going to pay the player. Injured players still get paid.

What you don't want is for that payment to count against the salary cap. That's the stupid part.
- johndewar

It has to count against the Cap. It's still money paid to a player, and needs to count agianst the players share.

Should a player who suffers a career ending injury on the ice, not be paid?
- MJL

I dont even understand why this is such a debate. We're arguing over whether Pronger will take $1M or just retire instead.

This hypothetical hasn't even presented itself and is likely to never present itself. I think it's time we all just move on to bigger and better things.

I dont even understand why this is such a debate. We're arguing over whether Pronger will take $1M or just retire instead.

This hypothetical hasn't even presented itself and is likely to never present itself. I think it's time we all just move on to bigger and better things.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree, the overall premise is really silly. Trading Pronger without all of the other stuff, may or may not be possible.