Your post is as clueless as what you are claiming I am callaway.

Did you even see my last post?? Here, let me say it again..

"Do you need a top line player to go along with them? Sure. But who's to say that 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 1st round picks wouldn't have been that guy? Those picks are all traded off and gone. Or maybe a smarter GM trades off those 1st round picks for a Carter, a Richards. Or maybe a smarter GM signs a Hossa...."

I was saying you don't trade 1st round picks and top prospects to just make a move and try to "win this year". The Blues should have NEVER, EVER traded off top prospects and 1st round picks in Lars Eller, Carl Soderberg, David Perron, Ben Bishop, Erik Johnson and multiple 1st round picks FOR the likes of Hannu Toivonen, Halak, Bowmesiter, Chris Stewart, Ryan Miller, Shattenkirk etc.

I'm surprised I had to spell that out for you callaway. Congrats, you just entered carcus level on here.


- Trust In Jarmo

You are an idiot.

Go away.

Spezza would be one heck of a pick up, and Blues Sens have history trading. I can see that situation happening. Would you give up Shatty and Berglund if it got you Spezza (conditional he resigns) and a dman like Methot (maybe Cowen)
- DDM-Coga

That's probably in the ballpark.

I think I found a possible top level center that would work well for the Blues. How about Logan Coture?

Since we're revising and complaining about every move the Blues have ever made, lets call a spade a spade.

Your man-crush lover Jarmo traded down in the draft and allowed San Jose to take Coture so the Blues could draft Eller later on. What an idiot.

And then traded up to take Ian Cole in the first round. Jarmo's a moron.

(This is what you sound like to every other Blues fan, a complete tool.)
- bcallaway

Just to clarify...you failed to address my last post that you were completely wrong on.

Secondly, how many times do we have to go over the fact that EVERY GM, SCOUT misses on 1st round picks over and over again...

Even the great Scotty Bowman has missed on many 1st round picks since the 1970s with Montreal and into the 2000s with the Wings.

Phil Jackson failed to provide great players around Jordan for many years....yet Jordan still got it done with missed 1st round picks for years.

Same with Belichick...great coach/GM. Yet, Belichick has whiffed on so many top picks.

Jarmo has missed on a lot in the 1st and 2nd round drafts. I will admit that and have admitted that.

But to say you guys are better off without Jarmo and Jarmo is an idiot. Well, now you are just burying your head in the sand. And it is completely obvious callaway that you are hating the fact that I was right about the Kings in 2010, I was right about Ryan Miller, Halak and other trades Armstrong made.

And you will hate me more when I will be right about Jarmo as a GM...when the Blue Jackets get to the Stanley Cup Finals before the Blues.

You need 4 CLUTCH lines to win a Stanley Cup.

And my point was Eller, Soderberg, Perron is 1 of those lines you no longer have.

On top of those 1st round picks Armstrong traded off since 2011 as well...

Just to clarify...you failed to address my last post that you were completely wrong on.

Secondly, how many times do we have to go over the fact that EVERY GM, SCOUT misses on 1st round picks over and over again...

Even the great Scotty Bowman has missed on many 1st round picks since the 1970s with Montreal and into the 2000s with the Wings.

Phil Jackson failed to provide great players around Jordan for many years....yet Jordan still got it done with missed 1st round picks for years.

Same with Belichick...great coach/GM. Yet, Belichick has whiffed on so many top picks.

Jarmo has missed on a lot in the 1st and 2nd round drafts. I will admit that and have admitted that.

But to say you guys are better off without Jarmo and Jarmo is an idiot. Well, now you are just burying your head in the sand. And it is completely obvious callaway that you are hating the fact that I was right about the Kings in 2010, I was right about Ryan Miller, Halak and other trades Armstrong made.

And you will hate me more when I will be right about Jarmo as a GM...when the Blue Jackets get to the Stanley Cup Finals before the Blues.

You need 4 CLUTCH lines to win a Stanley Cup.

And my point was Eller, Soderberg, Perron is 1 of those lines you no longer have.

On top of those 1st round picks Armstrong traded off since 2011 as well...
- Trust In Jarmo

You're absolutely right Jarmo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

i was going to ask why he only stayed 16 games with the avs. he's put up strong numbers in sweden since then. could be an upgrade on morrow. PRV is once again marginalized though.
- Blue Clam

a one year 700k deal, pretty low risk high reward signing for you in the bottom 6. He had some pretty good flashes of skill to start he year with the Avs, but just had a hard time adjusting to the NHL game and was getting beat physically too much.

I saw he had some really strong SEL stats, could be a good signing

That deal seems a bit skewed to the Sens but I think it is in the ballpark but that may be a result of me not being as familiar with Methot and Cowen or other guys like Gryba, Ceci, etc.. I just don't watch a lot of Sens games.
- stljam

Methot is a realiable Top 4 dman, shut down guy, really underrated in my mind. Cowen has all the skills, big, mean, tough, but last season was having major mental break downs and coughing pucks up. Kind of guy if you get now and settle down to turn the corner with his game and skill set, its a major steal of a deal

You are an idiot.

Go away.
- carcus

Nope, I will be here forever to remind you how wrong you were carcus.

Nope, I will be here forever to remind you how wrong you were carcus.
- Trust In Jarmo

This has become my favorite post of all time. Its now hanging on my wall.



Just to clarify...you failed to address my last post that you were completely wrong on.

Secondly, how many times do we have to go over the fact that EVERY GM, SCOUT misses on 1st round picks over and over again...

Even the great Scotty Bowman has missed on many 1st round picks since the 1970s with Montreal and into the 2000s with the Wings.

Phil Jackson failed to provide great players around Jordan for many years....yet Jordan still got it done with missed 1st round picks for years.

Same with Belichick...great coach/GM. Yet, Belichick has whiffed on so many top picks.

Jarmo has missed on a lot in the 1st and 2nd round drafts. I will admit that and have admitted that.

But to say you guys are better off without Jarmo and Jarmo is an idiot. Well, now you are just burying your head in the sand. And it is completely obvious callaway that you are hating the fact that I was right about the Kings in 2010, I was right about Ryan Miller, Halak and other trades Armstrong made.

And you will hate me more when I will be right about Jarmo as a GM...when the Blue Jackets get to the Stanley Cup Finals before the Blues.

You need 4 CLUTCH lines to win a Stanley Cup.

And my point was Eller, Soderberg, Perron is 1 of those lines you no longer have.

On top of those 1st round picks Armstrong traded off since 2011 as well...

Just to clarify...you failed to address my last post that you were completely wrong on.

Secondly, how many times do we have to go over the fact that EVERY GM, SCOUT misses on 1st round picks over and over again...

Even the great Scotty Bowman has missed on many 1st round picks since the 1970s with Montreal and into the 2000s with the Wings.

Phil Jackson failed to provide great players around Jordan for many years....yet Jordan still got it done with missed 1st round picks for years.

Same with Belichick...great coach/GM. Yet, Belichick has whiffed on so many top picks.

Jarmo has missed on a lot in the 1st and 2nd round drafts. I will admit that and have admitted that.

But to say you guys are better off without Jarmo and Jarmo is an idiot. Well, now you are just burying your head in the sand. And it is completely obvious callaway that you are hating the fact that I was right about the Kings in 2010, I was right about Ryan Miller, Halak and other trades Armstrong made.

And you will hate me more when I will be right about Jarmo as a GM...when the Blue Jackets get to the Stanley Cup Finals before the Blues.

You need 4 CLUTCH lines to win a Stanley Cup.

And my point was Eller, Soderberg, Perron is 1 of those lines you no longer have.

On top of those 1st round picks Armstrong traded off since 2011 as well...
- Trust In Jarmo

I'm was a fan of Jarmo's work for the Blues, but acting like he did anything other than an average job for us is just burying your head in the sand. In the 06, 07, 08, 09 & 10 drafts, he failed to draft a SINGLE player after the first round who has played 82+ games in the NHL (and only one, Allen, seems likely to). That includes 7 second round picks, 7 third round picks, and 7 fourth round picks. In his tenure with the Blues, if you look at draft position, 5 out of 12 of his first round picks didn't deserve to be drafted anywhere near as high as he took them (Belle, Schwarz, Johnson, Cole & Runblad). That's an average amount of success in Round 1.

And if you took away the trades of players he selected, the team not only isn't necessarily better than they are currently, but they have some major holes, and it's unlikely they made the playoffs the last few years.
Jarmo's team:
Perron/Backes/Oshie
Schwartz/Berglund/Tarasenko
Soderberg/Eller/Stempniak
Cracknell/McClement/Reaves
Jackman/Pietrangelo
Nikitin/Johnson
Cole/Polak
Bishop
Allen

That team has a little more offensive punch, but is devastatingly bad down the left side on defense. We'd have Siemens as a prospect, but not Rattie, and someone like Poirier from last years draft. No NHL ready goalies until this last year, so we've been doing slightly worse the last few years not better. And all this is making the unlikely assumptions that Johnson turned his development around in St. Louis (unlikely as his work ethic & attitude clearly improved after getting traded); & that Soderberg was willing to come to North America to play in St. Louis (unlikely giving our inability to get him over here).

And if you took away the trades of players he selected, the team not only isn't necessarily better than they are currently, but they have some major holes, and it's unlikely they made the playoffs the last few years.

Jarmo's team:

Perron/Backes/Oshie
Schwartz/Berglund/Tarasenko
Soderberg/Eller/Stempniak
Cracknell/McClement/Reaves

Jackman/Pietrangelo
Nikitin/Johnson
Cole/Polak

Bishop
Allen

That team has a little more offensive punch, but is devastatingly bad down the left side on defense. We'd have Siemens as a prospect, but not Rattie, and someone like Poirier from last years draft. No NHL ready goalies until this last year, so we've been doing slightly worse the last few years not better. And all this is making the unlikely assumptions that Johnson turned his development around in St. Louis (unlikely as his work ethic & attitude clearly improved after getting traded); & that Soderberg was willing to come to North America to play in St. Louis (unlikely giving our inability to get him over here).
- Antilles

I like that lineup very much! Bishop in net as well...

One important factor you are forgetting....The Blues 2011 NHL draft was done when Jarmo was gone.

Let's break down JUST the 2011 2nd round the Blues blew without Jarmo...

You are assuming that Jarmo picks Rattie over someone like a Boone Jenner in round 2.

Lets also not forget the Blues 2011 other 2nd round pick was Jaskin...and 2 picks later Bowman and the Blackhawks picked Brandon Saad.

The Blues, without Jarmo, picked Joel Edmundson...the next pick was a great rookie in Matthew Nieto who was great vs the Kings in the playoffs this year.

In my opinion, the Blues whiffed on all THREE 2nd round picks of the 2011 draft without Jarmo.

So now your lineup could have easily been this had Jarmo been here....

Perron (28 goals this year)-Backes-Oshie
Schwartz-Eller-Tarasenko
Sadd-Berglund-Nieto
Soderberg-Jenner-Reaves
(Fine, take out Soderberg & assume he never came over here...still a sick lineup)

Pietrangelo-Jackman
Erik Johnson-Polak
Cole-Nikitin

Bishop
Allen

Let's also not forget that you are NOT counting Jarmo's draft influence in the 2012, 2013, 2014 drafts...

You can say Jarmo would have never drafted those players..but none of us will ever know.

But I can tell you one ting. The fact the Blues drafting had been horrible for decades prior to Jarmo arriving....there is a good chance Jarmo would have gotten those guys.

Just ask Ottawa fans what happened to their Eastern Conference Champions after Jarmo's picks stopped coming in....

I like that lineup very much! Bishop in net as well...

One important factor you are forgetting....The Blues 2011 NHL draft was done when Jarmo was gone.

Let's break down JUST the 2011 2nd round the Blues blew without Jarmo...

You are assuming that Jarmo picks Rattie over someone like a Boone Jenner in round 2.

Lets also not forget the Blues 2011 other 2nd round pick was Jaskin...and 2 picks later Bowman and the Blackhawks picked Brandon Saad.

The Blues, without Jarmo, picked Joel Edmundson...the next pick was a great rookie in Matthew Nieto who was great vs the Kings in the playoffs this year.

In my opinion, the Blues whiffed on all THREE 2nd round picks of the 2011 draft without Jarmo.

So now your lineup could have easily been this had Jarmo been here....

Perron (28 goals this year)-Backes-Oshie
Schwartz-Eller-Tarasenko
Sadd-Berglund-Nieto
Soderberg-Jenner-Reaves
(Fine, take out Soderberg & assume he never came over here...still a sick lineup)

Pietrangelo-Jackman
Erik Johnson-Polak
Cole-Nikitin

Bishop
Allen

Let's also not forget that you are NOT counting Jarmo's draft influence in the 2012, 2013, 2014 drafts...

You can say Jarmo would have never drafted those players..but none of us will ever know.

But I can tell you one ting. The fact the Blues drafting had been horrible for decades prior to Jarmo arriving....there is a good chance Jarmo would have gotten those guys.

Just ask Ottawa fans what happened to their Eastern Conference Champions after Jarmo's picks stopped coming in....
- Trust In Jarmo

Good picks since 2011: Jarmo's draft influence.
Bad picks: Jarmo wasn't there, not his fault.


Idiot.

Good picks since 2011: Jarmo's draft influence.
Bad picks: Jarmo wasn't there, not his fault.


Idiot.
- bcallaway

There are NO good Blues picks since 2011.

What "Good Picks"? HAHA! Your GM Armstrong has traded THREE 1st round picks off as well. So there is also not much to base it off of other than the 2nd round picks so far.

You can drink the kool aid all you want about what you think is your "great" Blues prospects since 2011...but your perception to the truth is out of whack.

God, how far you have fallen with the rest of these saps Callaway.

St. Louis Blues...ZERO top 50 prospects.

Jarmo in Columbus already has TWO! http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospect-rankings/

Where do the Blues prospects rank on this link over the past 4 years?
DEAD LAST. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/team-rankings/

A complete idiot indeed...it is you Callaway.


Ranked 30th
St. Louis Blues

Team Breakdown:
Strengths: The graduation of Jaden Schwartz and Vladimir Tarasenko to the NHL has left the Blues with little top-end talent. Jake Allen has proven capable of playing well in small doses so far with the Blues while Jordan Binnington is developing behind him at the pro level. Among the skaters, the Blues have some upside in offensive-minded defensemen like Tommy Vannelli and Jordan Schmaltz and potential top-six wingers in Ty Rattie and Dmitrij Jaskin.

Weaknesses: Behind their top prospects, the Blues system is shallow and has its fair share of boom-or-bust prospects. The bare-bones state of their system is particularly apparent at center. While the NHL club is deep down the middle right now, the prospect system does not appear to have any players poised to replenish the center position in the future.

Top 5 Prospects: 1. Jake Allen, G; 2. Dmitrij Jaskin, RW; 3. Jordan Binnington, G; 4. Ty Rattie, RW; 5. Tommy Vannelli, D.

Key Losses: Vladimir Tarasenko (graduation)