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nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

May 20 @ 2:57 PM ET
I don't buy that at all. I think character referred to a guys character on the ice and willingness to lay it on the line. I'm not sure Kane is a cancer. When you're 22 you think you know everything maybe that was the case. I'd take him on my team
- dbell646

I really like Kane's play but I can see how he would clash with Sid, not to mention Sid is a raving racist.
rival22
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: @Mance_22 - Albany, NY
Joined: 02.27.2007

May 20 @ 2:57 PM ET
They are all 1000x better than what we have now, and would fit under the cap.

What FA's do you want to see them go after.

- nbartley9


Iginla wouldn't fit under the cap as of now.

I'd kick the tires on Ryan Callahan, albeit an unlikely fit.

Jaro Halak
Radim Vrbata
Brian Boyle
Goc

I don't know... A lot depends on other moves. If they can create some cap space, it changes things a little.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 20 @ 3:00 PM ET
Why? Just because the city sucks doesn't mean they can't support a team. They have serious hockey fans there, the team will be fine.
- canadianpenfan


The team will always suck, they will over pay UFA's dragging up salaries across the league. The Canadian dollar is going down, if it continues it will further hurt the club. It didn't work before.
Oneonta Penguin
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.02.2007

May 20 @ 3:00 PM ET
I don't buy that at all. I think character referred to a guys character on the ice and willingness to lay it on the line. I'm not sure Kane is a cancer. When you're 22 you think you know everything maybe that was the case. I'd take him on my team
- dbell646


Character is the same on the ice and off. If you don't have character off the ice, you don't have it on the ice. It's pretty simple. The kid is immature - make that very immature. Hell, there are 11-year old kids that are more mature than E. Kane. This, his character issues have been discussed many times by the national media.

You don't want to buy it because he is a potentially young budding star. If he didn't have issues, why would Winnipeg consider dealing him in the offseason?
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

May 20 @ 3:00 PM ET
Iginla wouldn't fit under the cap as of now.

I'd kick the tires on Ryan Callahan, albeit an unlikely fit.

Jaro Halak
Radim Vrbata
Brian Boyle
Goc

I don't know... A lot depends on other moves. If they can create some cap space, it changes things a little.

- rival22

After our free agents leave he would fit if he makes 6 mil like he is making currently, Goc is total garbage, Boyle is going to be insanely expensive after they got to the Cup, Vrbata might be ok, but honestly for the money; Jussi maybe a better option.

I have always loved Cally but he has priced himself at a hilarious Wade Redden type of contract that could never work here.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

May 20 @ 3:02 PM ET
Character is the same on the ice and off. If you don't have character off the ice, you don't have it on the ice. It's pretty simple. The kid is immature - make that very immature. Hell, there are 11-year old kids that are more mature than E. Kane. This, his character issues have been discussed many times by the national media.

You don't want to buy it because he is a potentially young budding star. If he didn't have issues, why would Winnipeg consider dealing him in the offseason?

- Oneonta Penguin

Immaturity issues are not character issues in my book. And yes I'd like to have him because he is a budding star.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 20 @ 3:06 PM ET
Immaturity issues are not character issues in my book. And yes I'd like to have him because he is a budding star.
- dbell646


I love his style as well and think next to 87 he would be a stud. But not really an immature issue for me but there can only be so many type A's in the locker room. Not sure how he would feel being a 3rd wheel. He might want to be the super star on a team, that wont happen in Pitt.
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

May 20 @ 3:10 PM ET
I love his style as well and think next to 87 he would be a stud. But not really an immature issue for me but there can only be so many type A's in the locker room. Not sure how he would feel being a 3rd wheel. He might want to be the super star on a team, that wont happen in Pitt.
- sammy87

I think his chances of becoming a superstar are greater with 87/71 and he doesn't have to be in front of the media all the time. Also I know Pittsburgh isn't New York City but it's a hell of a lot more fun then the PEG. We don't really know what this guys issues are or if there are any. We just speculate from what we hear. A kid with that upside and speed and toughness would be great on the ice for the Pens.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 20 @ 3:13 PM ET
I think his chances of becoming a superstar are greater with 87/71 and he doesn't have to be in front of the media all the time. Also I know Pittsburgh isn't New York City but it's a hell of a lot more fun then the PEG. We don't really know what this guys issues are or if there are any. We just speculate from what we hear. A kid with that upside and speed and toughness would be great on the ice for the Pens.
- dbell646


I agree 100%, I like him and Okposo. Id be curious what NYI would give him up for. THeir style is the type of wing 87 needs.

With Kane's potential though, he could go to a lot of teams and be the "attraction" some ppl desire that, no idea if he does or not.
jmy_1
Joined: 01.30.2014

May 20 @ 3:16 PM ET
Mario says "Make This Roster Happen" to new GM

FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Chris Stewart ($4.150m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Brandon Sutter ($3.900m) / Nikolei Kulemin ($3.250m)
Zach Sill ($0.550m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Simon Despres ($0.851m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Matt Niskanen ($4.300m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Derrick Pouliot ($0.863m)
GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($3.000m)
Jeff Zatkoff ($0.600m)
BURIED
Craig Adams ($0.600m)
------
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,158,000; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $942,000
cap1681
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Verona, PA
Joined: 02.04.2010

May 20 @ 3:21 PM ET
Mario says "Make This Roster Happen" to new GM

FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Chris Stewart ($4.150m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Brandon Sutter ($3.900m) / Nikolei Kulemin ($3.250m)
Zach Sill ($0.550m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Simon Despres ($0.851m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Matt Niskanen ($4.300m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Derrick Pouliot ($0.863m)
GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($3.000m)
Jeff Zatkoff ($0.600m)
BURIED
Craig Adams ($0.600m)
------
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,158,000; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $942,000

- jmy_1


Interesting, but who are we giving up to get Stewart, Kane, Eberle, and Bickell? I see Letang, Neal, and Fleury gone, but none of our 2 highest prospects traded??
akane13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: raleigh
Joined: 01.24.2008

May 20 @ 3:22 PM ET
Do we have any package that could get Kane?
- dbell646



i can be acquired for 3 cases of good Rioja, 5 cases of good Bordeaux, and some steaks to be named later
dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

May 20 @ 3:22 PM ET
Mario says "Make This Roster Happen" to new GM

FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Chris Stewart ($4.150m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Brandon Sutter ($3.900m) / Nikolei Kulemin ($3.250m)
Zach Sill ($0.550m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Simon Despres ($0.851m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Matt Niskanen ($4.300m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Derrick Pouliot ($0.863m)
GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($3.000m)
Jeff Zatkoff ($0.600m)
BURIED
Craig Adams ($0.600m)
------
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,158,000; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $942,000

- jmy_1

Well that forward group certainly is impressive
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

May 20 @ 3:25 PM ET
Mario says "Make This Roster Happen" to new GM

FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.850m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Chris Stewart ($4.150m)
Evander Kane ($5.250m) / Evgeni Malkin ($9.500m) / Jordan Eberle ($6.000m)
Bryan Bickell ($4.000m) / Brandon Sutter ($3.900m) / Nikolei Kulemin ($3.250m)
Zach Sill ($0.550m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Pascal Dupuis ($3.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Simon Despres ($0.851m) / Paul Martin ($5.000m)
Matt Niskanen ($4.300m) / Olli Maatta ($0.894m)
Robert Bortuzzo ($0.600m) / Derrick Pouliot ($0.863m)
GOALTENDERS
James Reimer ($3.000m)
Jeff Zatkoff ($0.600m)
BURIED
Craig Adams ($0.600m)
------
SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,158,000; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $942,000

- jmy_1


Wont have to worry about D or goalies with the amount of goals they'll score.

my realistic dream roster would be:

Kunitz-87-Okposo
BB-71-36
UFA-Sutter-Dupes
Adams-Goc-Vitale/Megna/Gibbons

7-58
Maata-Bortz
Despress-Orpik/England/Rookie
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

May 20 @ 3:27 PM ET
If Sutter is on this team next year I will throw a plugged in toaster into my bath tub and do a cannon ball.
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

May 20 @ 3:29 PM ET
9-87-Iggy
14-71-18
19-Ott-Downie
Biz Nasty-Sill-Kassian

No one in the entire league would want to play us.
jmy_1
Joined: 01.30.2014

May 20 @ 3:29 PM ET
Interesting, but who are we giving up to get Stewart, Kane, Eberle, and Bickell? I see Letang, Neal, and Fleury gone, but none of our 2 highest prospects traded??
- cap1681


Here is my thought on that process:
Neal and Scuderi for Kane. Change of scenery for Neal and Kane. They may not take Scuderi though.

Letang and Bennett for Eberle

Samuellson or another prospect and a pick for C.Stewart.

Kumelin is an UFA

Fleury for RFA Reimer

Bickell is the one I'm a little perplexed on. Chicago will need to cut salary for Toews and Kane. He may come a little cheaper for a pick and a minor prospect. Not sure.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

May 20 @ 3:30 PM ET
i can be acquired for 3 cases of good Rioja, 5 cases of good Bordeaux, and some steaks to be named later
- akane13



Too much. You'll get a half drank Zima and be happy.
akane13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: raleigh
Joined: 01.24.2008

May 20 @ 3:31 PM ET
If Sutter is on this team next year I will throw a plugged in toaster into my bath tub and do a cannon ball.
- nbartley9



Better make sure it's a deep tub. He'll be here.
akane13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: raleigh
Joined: 01.24.2008

May 20 @ 3:31 PM ET
Too much. You'll get a half drank Zima and be happy.
- canadianpenfan



as long as it is room temp!


dbell646
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 04.13.2009

May 20 @ 3:32 PM ET
Too much. You'll get a half drank Zima and be happy.
- canadianpenfan

No jolly ranchers
nbartley9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.31.2012

May 20 @ 3:34 PM ET
Better make sure it's a deep tub. He'll be here.
- akane13

He is the epitome of what is wrong with this team; he will be gone for sure.
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

May 20 @ 3:37 PM ET
If Sutter is on this team next year I will throw a plugged in toaster into my bath tub and do a cannon ball.
- nbartley9



*starts re-sign Sutter at all costs facebook page*
jmy_1
Joined: 01.30.2014

May 20 @ 3:39 PM ET
He is the epitome of what is wrong with this team; he will be gone for sure.
- nbartley9


Pyatt, Adams, Orpik, and Scuderi is the epitome of what is wrong with this team.
akane13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: raleigh
Joined: 01.24.2008

May 20 @ 3:39 PM ET
He is the epitome of what is wrong with this team; he will be gone for sure.
- nbartley9



I'm not convinced. He's a good player who has been saddled with crappy linemates. Not saying he's the answer, but as an RFA, they have some control over him.

I don't think he's a great fit here in a 3rd line role with undersized, slow players. No one is. If his wingers are upgraded, it's a different story.
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