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Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

May 19 @ 1:27 AM ET
Yeah, Vantel's definitely gleaming the cube with that game plan
- Chest Rockwell


Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 19 @ 4:02 AM ET
8. Sounds like Edmonton's Scott Howson was in Vancouver for an interview. He didn't respond to a call, email or text seeking comment. That is The Triple Crown of avoidance.

9. Vancouver fans wondered if the Pittsburgh opening would affect Jim Benning's candidacy. He's had two interviews. If they aren't negotiating with him now, the view is askew.

11. Didn't expect to hear much about the Capitals until after the NBA Wizards were eliminated, which happened late last week to Indiana. There were a lot of conflicting rumours about their openings, but Sweeney was interviewed and it sounds like Nashville's Paul Fenton was too. (Glenn Healy reported last week Fenton also met with the Canucks). Of course, Shero's availability alters everything. If he'd stayed in Pittsburgh and Bylsma was out, the belief was Shero would chase Barry Trotz, since they worked together in Nashville. It sure makes sense for Washington, but as I write this, there is no evidence it is close to reality.



http://www.cbc.ca/sports-...guins-roster-dilemma.html




Howson? (frank) me.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 19 @ 9:18 AM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/sports-...guins-roster-dilemma.html




Howson? (frank) me.

- Nucker101



If he has discriminating pictures of JD and can pull a trade of Jenner Johansen and Umberger for Kesler Burrows and Hansen sure

If not


Gilman is now my choice.

There is no one out there more familiar with the Canucks.
He is a capologist
He knows how to negotiate contracts
He is more likeable and public friendly.
He had a good draft last year.
He knows the players.
He has been around for years and knows the business
He is a very smart man.
He also witnessed first hand all the mistakes by his former boss.

This way Canucks are not in a hurry. They are not trying to copy. Give the guy a try see what he can do. He may not be the sexy name but he is a good name.
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 19 @ 9:45 AM ET
If he has discriminating pictures of JD and can pull a trade of Jenner Johansen and Umberger for Kesler Burrows and Hansen sure

If not

- VANTEL

Ya - not a big fan of Howson but I think he gets a lot more flack than he should. Look at their lineup and see all the players he drafted or brought in.

Drafted - Ryan Johansen, Boone Jenner, Jakub Voracek, Ryan Murray, Matt Calvert 5th rnd, Cam Atkinson 6th rnd.

Traded for - Dubnisky, Anisimov, Johnson, Foligno, Bobrovsky, an extra 1st rnd pick last year.

A lot of those players were a major contributing factor to their success last year and they look good going forward.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 19 @ 9:49 AM ET
Ya - not a big fan of Howson but I think he gets a lot more flack than he should. Look at their lineup and see all the players he drafted or brought in.

Drafted - Ryan Johansen, Boone Jenner, Jakub Voracek, Ryan Murray, Matt Calvert 5th rnd, Cam Atkinson 6th rnd.

Traded for - Dubnisky, Anisimov, Johnson, Bobrovsky, an extra 1st rnd pick last year.

A lot of those players were a major contributing factor to their success last year and they look good going forward.

- LeftCoaster

His later work is a lot more impressive than his earlier work.Columbus overall record has not been great at all and seems to have turned upwards on the arrival of John Davidson.
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 19 @ 9:54 AM ET
His later work is a lot more impressive than his earlier work.Columbus overall record has not been great at all and seems to have turned upwards on the arrival of John Davidson.
- VANTEL

I think patience while waiting for your picks to come around is the whole thing. A lot of those kids he drafted are just now making an impact in the NHL.

For the record. - JD got there in Oct. 2012, so he's hired a GM and participated in their last draft. Like I said, their success this year is entirely from players Howson drafted or traded for.

Edit: sounds like I'm for hiring him, I'm not, I just don't think he's as bad as people make him out to be. Definitely not a sexy hire that's for sure.
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 19 @ 10:22 AM ET
Some thoughts on Shero by Botch - that (frank)in clown

http://www.theprovince.co...s+good/9848350/story.html
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 19 @ 10:23 AM ET
I think patience while waiting for your picks to come around is the whole thing. A lot of those kids he drafted are just now making an impact in the NHL.

For the record. - JD got there in Oct. 2012, so he's hired a GM and participated in their last draft.

- LeftCoaster


I think Canucks have some talent right under their nose. They have a few decent prospects no real gold chippers but decent. It is more important to change the culture of this team.

IMO it needs to be stripped down and rebuilt , not retooled.

We blamed the coach two years in a row. AV is now headed on his way back to the cup 2 nd time in 5 years. I am not an AV fan and knew he needed to go but a big part of the problem is this team

Dale Weise , AGAIN I wanted ran out for a better player ,but again proving once out of the Canucks system is a very decent 4 th liner.

Mason Raymond playing on a lesser team like the Leafs has a successful year. I wanted him gone ,but again he proved once away from the Canucks system very useful player.

I have been saying for years until this culture changes this is going to continue downwards.

Canucks system is suffocating. I bet if Kesler gets traded to a decent team with decent line mates he is going to have a resurgence and be a Selke candidate again.

Players do not get enough opportunities on this roster because all the rewards are handed to a very few players.

I know a few fans will now come in and tell me how bipolar I am or how I should not be a Canuck fan , but facts are facts.

We put too much responsibility on a very few players and thus it takes away from team concept.

we don't have a banging line to wear down other teams , we don't have a shut down line . We don't have a second line to back up a productive first line.Our D is vanilla . We don't have any fighter back there (Sorry KB) we don't have the PMD , we don't have the big hitter , and we don't have the big shot THAT CAN HIT THE NET.

Pointing out faults does not mean one is bipolar , I loved Booners response to that last week, The Flat Earth Society.

We have some of the pieces like Kassian Lack Mathias COrrado Jensen. Need to bring in the new and say bye to the old.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 19 @ 10:24 AM ET
If he has discriminating pictures of JD and can pull a trade of Jenner Johansen and Umberger for Kesler Burrows and Hansen sure

If not


Gilman is now my choice.

There is no one out there more familiar with the Canucks.
He is a capologist
He knows how to negotiate contracts
He is more likeable and public friendly.
He had a good draft last year.
He knows the players.
He has been around for years and knows the business
He is a very smart man.
He also witnessed first hand all the mistakes by his former boss.

This way Canucks are not in a hurry. They are not trying to copy. Give the guy a try see what he can do. He may not be the sexy name but he is a good name.

- VANTEL


Linden said they will hire someone with a scouting/player evaluation background, which eliminates Benning.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 19 @ 10:30 AM ET
Linden said they will hire someone with a scouting/player evaluation background, which eliminates Benning.
- VanHockeyGuy

I was bang on with Steamers comments yesterday. he said anyone can go manage Pitts , where's the challenge?

No GM before has won a cup for the Canucks , now there's a rewarding challenge.

If I was Trevor and heard Bening was more interested in Pitt I would have moved on right there with a big Adios.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

May 19 @ 10:30 AM ET
If he has discriminating pictures of JD and can pull a trade of Jenner Johansen and Umberger for Kesler Burrows and Hansen sure

If not


Gilman is now my choice.

There is no one out there more familiar with the Canucks.
He is a capologist
He knows how to negotiate contracts
He is more likeable and public friendly.
He had a good draft last year.
He knows the players.
He has been around for years and knows the business
He is a very smart man.
He also witnessed first hand all the mistakes by his former boss.

This way Canucks are not in a hurry. They are not trying to copy. Give the guy a try see what he can do. He may not be the sexy name but he is a good name.

- VANTEL

Linden is smart he isn't going to just jump onto a new GM because other teams are talking to candidates. I would wait for the right fit. Having Gilman does not put you at a disadvantage. Unless other teams are asking permission to speak with him about their vacant GM position. Someone said a while ago that he didn't have the qualities to take over as GM when I had mentioned other teams would be looking for his services and did have the qualities other teams would be looking for. I think now that is becoming more realistic with all the recent vacancies. If he wanted a fresh start elsewhere he would get it no problem.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 19 @ 10:37 AM ET
Linden is smart he isn't going to just jump onto a new GM because other teams are talking to candidates. I would wait for the right fit. Having Gilman does not put you at a disadvantage. Unless other teams are asking permission to speak with him about their vacant GM position. Someone said a while ago that he didn't have the qualities to take over as GM when I had mentioned other teams would be looking for his services and did have the qualities other teams would be looking for. I think now that is becoming more realistic with all the recent vacancies. If he wanted a fresh start elsewhere he would get it no problem.
- thundachunk


I still think give him a try as interim . See what he does. I have never heard any real details as to why he should not be given a try.
I-own_da-Northwest
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cariboo, BC
Joined: 08.08.2009

May 19 @ 11:10 AM ET
I think Canucks have some talent right under their nose. They have a few decent prospects no real gold chippers but decent. It is more important to change the culture of this team.

IMO it needs to be stripped down and rebuilt , not retooled.

We blamed the coach two years in a row. AV is now headed on his way back to the cup 2 nd time in 5 years. I am not an AV fan and knew he needed to go but a big part of the problem is this team

Dale Weise , AGAIN I wanted ran out for a better player ,but again proving once out of the Canucks system is a very decent 4 th liner.

Mason Raymond playing on a lesser team like the Leafs has a successful year. I wanted him gone ,but again he proved once away from the Canucks system very useful player.

I have been saying for years until this culture changes this is going to continue downwards.

Canucks system is suffocating. I bet if Kesler gets traded to a decent team with decent line mates he is going to have a resurgence and be a Selke candidate again.

Players do not get enough opportunities on this roster because all the rewards are handed to a very few players.

I know a few fans will now come in and tell me how bipolar I am or how I should not be a Canuck fan , but facts are facts.

We put too much responsibility on a very few players and thus it takes away from team concept.

we don't have a banging line to wear down other teams , we don't have a shut down line . We don't have a second line to back up a productive first line.Our D is vanilla . We don't have any fighter back there (Sorry KB) we don't have the PMD , we don't have the big hitter , and we don't have the big shot THAT CAN HIT THE NET.

Pointing out faults does not mean one is bipolar , I loved Booners response to that last week, The Flat Earth Society.

We have some of the pieces like Kassian Lack Mathias COrrado Jensen. Need to bring in the new and say bye to the old.

- VANTEL

Canucks fans are like Christians in this sense...they can't handle facts and reasonable truths. This team is done. Need about 9 roster changes and to start again. Many have their heads so far up their asses when it comes to hockey(just check out cdc to prove my point) they think a new coach and 35 year old sedins are the answer....when in fact not even 28 year old sedins were the answer, they're built for the Olympics, not the playoffs. They thrive on silver metals, not silver cups. Trade em if there's any value left.




Oh and....;

(frank) the Flat Earth Society
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 19 @ 11:13 AM ET
Looks like AV is learning by his mistakes? Against the Pens and Habs he has Kreider run the goalie and take them out of the picture .

WTF did he not do that against the Hawks years ago.

If he would have done that years ago I would have been a big fan.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 19 @ 11:25 AM ET
I was bang on with Steamers comments yesterday. he said anyone can go manage Pitts , where's the challenge?

No GM before has won a cup for the Canucks , now there's a rewarding challenge.

If I was Trevor and heard Bening was more interested in Pitt I would have moved on right there with a big Adios.

- VANTEL


Could very well be the case especially if the rumors of Howson getting a 2nd interview are true.
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 19 @ 11:26 AM ET
Linden said they will hire someone with a scouting/player evaluation background, which eliminates Benning.
- VanHockeyGuy

WTF - not sure if serious?
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 19 @ 11:29 AM ET
Canucks fans are like Christians in this sense...they can't handle facts and reasonable truths. This team is done. Need about 9 roster changes and to start again. Many have their heads so far up their asses when it comes to hockey(just check out cdc to prove my point) they think a new coach and 35 year old sedins are the answer....when in fact not even 28 year old sedins were the answer, they're built for the Olympics, not the playoffs. They thrive on silver metals, not silver cups. Trade em if there's any value left.




Oh and....;

(frank) the Flat Earth Society

- I-own_da-Northwest

The roster definitely needs to be turned over but not entirely, that said, there are some good players here despite what some think.
VanHockeyGuy
Joined: 04.26.2012

May 19 @ 11:29 AM ET
WTF - not sure if serious?
- LeftCoaster

meant Gilman
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 19 @ 11:34 AM ET
The roster definitely needs to be turned over but not entirely, that said, there are some good players here despite what some think.
- LeftCoaster

If you were GM of Washington would you trade AV and Backstrom?
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 19 @ 11:35 AM ET
Linden is smart he isn't going to just jump onto a new GM because other teams are talking to candidates. I would wait for the right fit. Having Gilman does not put you at a disadvantage. Unless other teams are asking permission to speak with him about their vacant GM position. Someone said a while ago that he didn't have the qualities to take over as GM when I had mentioned other teams would be looking for his services and did have the qualities other teams would be looking for. I think now that is becoming more realistic with all the recent vacancies. If he wanted a fresh start elsewhere he would get it no problem.
- thundachunk

The problem with Gilman is you run the risk of his train of thought being similar to Mike Gillis, not to mention they remain very close friends. The organization NEEDS an outside opinion/voice for a different perspective.
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 19 @ 11:38 AM ET
If you were GM of Washington would you trade AV and Backstrom?
- VANTEL

You mean OV? And to answer your question, no I wouldn't. Look how much success they had just a few short years ago before they started (frank)in around with coaches and systems when all they had to do was bring in more depth.
LeftCoaster
Utah Hockey Club
Location: Glendale AZ
Joined: 07.03.2009

May 19 @ 11:42 AM ET
Looks like AV is learning by his mistakes? Against the Pens and Habs he has Kreider run the goalie and take them out of the picture .

WTF did he not do that against the Hawks years ago.

If he would have done that years ago I would have been a big fan.

- VANTEL

Most people as they go through life, my opinion, grow and learn as they move along, Tortorella being the exception.

Bottom line is the NYR of present are a better club than the Canucks of the past three years, that's why they're having success. That and AV is a better coach than Torts.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 19 @ 11:47 AM ET
The problem with Gilman is you run the risk of his train of thought being similar to Mike Gillis, not to mention they remain very close friends. The organization NEEDS an outside opinion/voice for a different perspective.
- LeftCoaster


Gillis's biggest problem was over valuing his players. Giving out the NTCs to third liners and not taking trades ,holding out for more.

I don't mind the Hodgson trade. I don't even mind the Luongo trade.

I do mind the Schneider trade. The more I see of Horvat the more I think he will be a third line center, but way to early to judge. I like the Shinkaruk draft. Jensen is now seeming ok. Cassels and Subban are wild cards.

I think with Gilman he seen a thinker that was outside the box which was good and I think he learned from his mistakes. His downfall is he may be too nice, but until he is the man ,we won't know. He has always been the yes man , maybe he is different when he is calling the shots.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 19 @ 11:51 AM ET
You mean OV? And to answer your question, no I wouldn't. Look how much success they had just a few short years ago before they started (frank)in around with coaches and systems when all they had to do was bring in more depth.
- LeftCoaster


I don't think they have had much success IMO. The evaporate in the playoffs(Tony Gallagher).

I think he does more harm for the team than good. Hockey is about team work . Most teams this year are talking about 4 man units. Yeah he scored 60 goals but the rest of the team has done Dyck all. #putallyoureggsinonebasket.

He could get a gold mine of young players that could help Wsh future.

If he goes back to the KHL , then the Caps are ski rude.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

May 19 @ 11:59 AM ET
Price out for ECF
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