I liked the idea Madden suggested today... Keep Martin as a place holder and wait a year to see how the Babcock situation develops.

Who knows, if Martin performs well, keep him. He's an experienced coach at least. I still wouldn't mind Tocchet getting a shot as an assistant.
- madmike71

Martin and madden can go f themselves BABCOCK isn't going anywhere if we were to have martin hold his place so to speak I would shoot myself in the head .. what about Marc Crawford or kevin dineen? If martin couldn't make our defense any better how would our team get better. Might as well bring in guy Boucher and play a 1-3-1

3.375M. No need to exaggerate.
- cygnus41

Oh well in that case...

What do you guys think of offer sheeting Reilly Smith... Especially if Boston goes and signs Iginla again before they resign Smith. I think that would put a huge wrench in their plans... Shero obviously won't do it, cause ya know he's nice and a wuss.

Anyway a 3.3 mil offer and below is worth a second round pick.

Above that up to 5 mil it's a first and third.

That looks tempting to me drafting at the back of the pack.
- nelson911

HMM ... looking over Boston's looming decisions ... lots of hard ones. You assume Mezaros is gone and Corey Potter. However resigning Iggy after his season might have to happen ... then you have RFAs in Torey Krug, Bartkowski and then Chad Johnson who is a UFA and had a great season. That doesn't include Smith.

I would do it. He won't. Then again, he doesn't value draft picks that much. It might be worth surrendering a late first for a young kid that blossomed this year. It beats having to wait three years for this pick to make it to the NHL. Might be smart to do considering this could be his last year in Pittsburgh and he needs to get young forwards.

Oneonta^^^

That's just it... You get an NHL player right away instead of a hope and prayer with the draft pick.

Oneonta^^^

That's just it... You get an NHL player right away instead of a hope and prayer with the draft pick.
- nelson911

Anyone have Shero's email?


This is a no brainer.

Martin and madden can go f themselves BABCOCK isn't going anywhere if we were to have martin hold his place so to speak I would shoot myself in the head .. what about Marc Crawford or kevin dineen? If martin couldn't make our defense any better how would our team get better. Might as well bring in guy Boucher and play a 1-3-1
- Jordy8

Relax. Just talking about possibilities...not probabilities. As far as I can remember, all the media types were pumping Martin's tires saying he has introduced the "Left Wing Lock" to this team. Well, what system is the Red Wings famous for? That's right, the Left Wing Lock.

From what I've heard, they added Martin to try and shore up the defensive structure, but according to Madden (yeah I know), they marginalized him right from the start. They played the trap for about 5 minutes in a few games at the beginning of the year and then rarely ever bothered with it again (that I do know).

Anyone have Shero's email?


This is a no brainer.
- Oneonta Penguin

Throw in the cap space Boston loses next season because of Iginla's production bonuses and they could be screwed. Ray probably doesn't have the onions for that but a new GM...

you guys are crazy if you think it's okay to effectively waste another year just to get the possibility of getting a coach.

this is simple. babcock isnt going to work on a 1 year deal just like bylsma wouldnt this past season. shero gave him an extension. now we must wait and see what happens with holland. if holland refuses, penguins should swipe in and try to get him. if they give him an extension, move on and look elsewhere.

but please, do not waste another year. we have already wasted 5 of them.

Throw in the cap space Boston loses next season because of Iginla's production bonuses and they could be screwed. Ray probably doesn't have the onions for that but a new GM...
- usethe1-2-2

How much do they get penalized for that?

How much do they get penalized for that?
- Oneonta Penguin

it's like over 4 million.

Boyle not returning in San Jose. Burns to move back to D. Sharks are looking at Matt Niskanen. Trade his rights to them for a second rounder? Package that pick with our first and something else to move up in the draft and select a top wing prospect who is NHL ready?

Boyle not returning in San Jose. Burns to move back to D. Sharks are looking at Matt Niskanen. Trade his rights to them for a second rounder? Package that pick with our first and something else to move up in the draft and select a top wing prospect who is NHL ready?
- usethe1-2-2

meh doubt you'll get a 2nd for him. not sure any pending UFA would get that much.

anyone know what sutter could fetch us as an RFA? I like him, but not for 4+ million.

it's like over 4 million.
- SuperHenderson13

They have 7.5 million in space with Krug, Smith, and Johnson needing to be signed. Not to mention that Soderberg and Krejci are up in 2015. Boston would have trouble matching anything.

it's like over 4 million.
- SuperHenderson13

They are screwed. They don't have much room for starters and I see maybe 5 million and change that can be discarded ... Thorton, Potter, and Mezaros.

Iggy, Smith, Johnson, and Krug they have major decisions to sign.

They are screwed. They don't have much room for starters and I see maybe 5 million and change that can be discarded ... Thorton, Potter, and Mezaros.

Iggy, Smith, Johnson, and Krug they have major decisions to sign.
- Oneonta Penguin

yea its a shame that shero is too much of a push over.

if nothing else, this is your toughest competitor. screw them over.

meh doubt you'll get a 2nd for him. not sure any pending UFA would get that much.

anyone know what sutter could fetch us as an RFA? I like him, but not for 4+ million.
- SuperHenderson13

Kennedy got a second rounder as a UFA last season. Sutter for 4 million sounds about right to me though.
Also, Dan Hamuis as a UFA with worse stats and a better market got a third from two or three different teams for his rights. With a tight D market and multiple teams interested you might be able to pull off a second round pick in the 50th selection slot area

They are screwed. They don't have much room for starters and I see maybe 5 million and change that can be discarded ... Thorton, Potter, and Mezaros.

Iggy, Smith, Johnson, and Krug they have major decisions to sign.
- Oneonta Penguin

I figure Johnson can ask for 1.5-2, Smith and Krug can ask for 3.5 on 2 year deals. If Chiarelli were smart and he is, he'll lock up the youngsters before Iginla.

yea its a shame that shero is too much of a push over.

if nothing else, this is your toughest competitor. screw them over.
- SuperHenderson13

I seriously believe Shero wanted Iggy to keep him away from Boston the first time. Granted, it was Iggy's choice. He has a bit of a history with Boston, Shero that is. He knows - regardless of what transpired against the Rags, who the chief competition is in the East if everyone is playing like they should.

Kennedy got a second rounder as a UFA last season. Sutter for 4 million sounds about right to me though.
Also, Dan Hamuis as a UFA with worse stats and a better market got a third from two or three different teams for his rights. With a tight D market and multiple teams interested you might be able to pull off a second round pick in the 50th selection slot area
- usethe1-2-2

How times have changed ... didn't Shero give Filly a 4th or 5th for the free agent rights of Hamhuis when he spurned Filly and Pittsburgh for Vancouver? A few years later, a third line guy who was a healthy scratch in Pittsburgh quite a few game nabs a second round pick.

I seriously believe Shero wanted Iggy to keep him away from Boston the first time. Granted, it was Iggy's choice. He has a bit of a history with Boston, Shero that is. He knows - regardless of what transpired against the Rags, who the chief competition is in the East if everyone is playing like they should.
- Oneonta Penguin

yea i think shero never actually thought he was coming, if he had, gotta think he wouldnt have gotten morrow.

screwing boston over would be too much fun. seriously. gotta think someone will get the balls to do something.

i know that i might be in the minority here, but i would jump at the chance to resign iginla. put him on the RW, new coach, full season with the guys and i think you'll get a brand new iginla.

should be a fun offseason all over the league.

How times have changed ... didn't Shero give Filly a 4th or 5th for the free agent rights of Hamhuis when he spurned Filly and Pittsburgh for Vancouver? A few years later, a third line guy who was a healthy scratch in Pittsburgh quite a few game nabs a second round pick.
- Oneonta Penguin

Exactly, UFA and RFA trade rights can get you 2nd and 3rd rounders because, from what I have heard a ton, there isn't much difference in hockey talent from #45 to #145.
Philly paid Nashville a third, then Pittsburgh returned the third to Philly for Hamuis rights.

you guys are crazy if you think it's okay to effectively waste another year just to get the possibility of getting a coach.

this is simple. babcock isnt going to work on a 1 year deal just like bylsma wouldnt this past season. shero gave him an extension. now we must wait and see what happens with holland. if holland refuses, penguins should swipe in and try to get him. if they give him an extension, move on and look elsewhere.

but please, do not waste another year. we have already wasted 5 of them.
- SuperHenderson13

If Holland can extend him, he will. I think Babcock is keeping his options open. He's said that he doesn't anticipate signing an extension in the off-season and is willing to go year to year.

I keep forgetting that he resigned an extension
- Oneonta Penguin

Why the f do you give a 36 year old 4th liner a 2 year extension?

Shero is loyal to a fault. He felt so guilty about trading Tom Fitzgerald away while in Nashville, he gave him a job when he got to Pittsburgh.

Why the f do you give a 36 year old 4th liner a 2 year extension?

Shero is loyal to a fault. He felt so guilty about trading Tom Fitzgerald away while in Nashville, he gave him a job when he got to Pittsburgh.
- rival22

The weird thing is just a few years ago, Shero didn't do stuff like this. Guys like Gonchar, Rupp, Ruutu, Cooke etc were allowed to walk because the Pens didn't want to give extensions to older guys.

The weird thing is just a few years ago, Shero didn't do stuff like this. Guys like Gonchar, Rupp, Ruutu, Cooke etc were allowed to walk because the Pens didn't want to give extensions to older guys.
- Emperor Filonius

cooke ruutu rupp>adams vitale gibbons any day