IMO, if you deal him, you could really get caught leaning too heavily on Hartsy, who will be 33 by the end of next season, with no successor in sight.

Think Simmer's just really strong for his size, and he's got the incredible balance that we all wish Hatsy had. Not sure why people keep knocking his hands... he makes a lot of nifty stickhandling plays in tight quarters.
- Tomahawk

stickhandling in tight quarters sort of fits the theme today

i really dont read a lot of other hockey sites, and even less read comments from others.

but the amount of pens fans ive seen looking to ship them out is absolutely mind boggling.

i personally dont think malkin should be traded, unless it is for a ridiculous deal that will never happen. but i can at least understand the logic behind it if framed a certain way.

just to ship him out is (frank)ing idiotic.
- stayinthefnnet

They're the fans who don't know about the Pens before Crosby and Malkin got there. They think talent like that just grows on trees.

That being said if you can't land a guy that can at least offset some of the loss of Coburn then you probably have to hold on to him.
- TheHype

This sentence nailed it.

Coburn brings a lot to the table, IMO. I know he had a rough playoff, but I think his body of work has been pretty good for the organ-EYE-zation.

I can't take him seriously now... it's sad.
- mayorofangrytown

Don't lie, you never took me seriously.

Matt Read with 2 goals today.

Oliver Lauridsen 1 SOG, -3, 22:23 TOI.
- MunsterMike

Nevermind the -3.... The TOI indicates he's a first pair dman!

This sentence nailed it.

Coburn brings a lot to the table, IMO. I know he had a rough playoff, but I think his body of work has been pretty good for the organ-EYE-zation.
- johndewar

I dont see any reason why Coburn would be dealt. Even if he was part of a deal for a #1 defenseman, it would kill their defensive depth. They'd have a #1 and a bunch of #4 dmen.

They're the fans who don't know about the Pens before Crosby and Malkin got there. They think talent like that just grows on trees.
- PhillySportsGuy

it sounds kind of silly, and i understand winning the cup is why the game is played. and yeah i get it i just sound bitter, but part of the part of being a fan is being entertained sometimes.

and the way the rangers play the game blows. sometimes, malkin can make a game worth watching all by himself.

now that im legally allowed to have my shoelaces returned to me after the other nights game, im ready to start armchair offseason gm mode.

as such, i am officially interested in your for sale sign, sir.
- stayinthefnnet

Simmonds, Pronger, and VL for Letang?

"One of the co–Big 12 Defensive Players of the Year this season, Texas lineman Jackson Jeffcoat, who had 13 sacks, was one of the two Associated Press All-Americans at defensive end this year. The other was Michael Sam. Despite that strong résumé, Jeffcoat went unselected in New York.”

Stop it. He went in the 7th round because he isn't good enough to be selected any higher. You are talking like there is no precedent for a player with a similar award to go in late rounds, and that simply is not the case.


http://thefederalist.com/...aft-position-makes-sense/
- MBFlyerfan

You could be right, you could be wrong. That's just one guys opinion and I've never heard of the guy. That site has been around, what, a couple months?

I dont see any reason why Coburn would be dealt. Even if he was part of a deal for a #1 defenseman, it would kill their defensive depth. They'd have a #1 and a bunch of #4 dmen.
- PhillySportsGuy

I know it wont happen but I would love to see Hexy rebuild the D

it sounds kind of silly, and i understand winning the cup is why the game is played. and yeah i get it i just sound bitter, but part of the part of being a fan is being entertained sometimes.

and the way the rangers play the game blows. sometimes, malkin can make a game worth watching all by himself.
- stayinthefnnet

I don't think they can win the cup sitting back as much as they do. The Flyers and Pens are both overanxious and lack discipline. The Rangers feast off of teams like that. They're going to have trouble with Montreal.

Thanks,

I go back and fourth on Coburn a lot. (Sometimes I worry that I'm pulling a Matt Carle on him and targeting him for illogical reasons.)

I think what I've settled on is that he might just be too comfortable here. Don't get me wrong he's a solid D but early on we saw so much potential and it just vanished.

I look a things like the awful pass he made to Gill that most blamed on Gill and wonder where his head is at.

I'd like to get more out of a 4.5 a year guy. If I'm going to get an asset for him and have more $$$ to play with I think I pull the trigger. I was hoping they'd use him last year to move up in the draft and nab Nichuskin.

That being said if you can't land a guy that can at least offset some of the loss of Coburn then you probably have to hold on to him.
- TheHype

its easier for a fan of another team to appreciate someone elses guys. im sure the shoe can go on the other foot as well. its like grandkids i assume. you love them so much because you only really deal with the good things, and have the ability to ship them back home to their parents to deal with the messes and legitimate issues.

i agree maybe coburn has gotten too comfortable. that can happen with a lot of players once they feel so entrenched. i still just think coburn is a really solid player, but his problem has always been that he is being counted on to be the ace, when he is just not that.

he is a good number 2 pitcher in baseball on a team without an ace, who is constantly forced to go out and be expected to outduel the other team's number one, oftentimes with mixed results. long story short, i dont think he is a bad player by any means, just miscast due to necessity of the roster.

and if he were a free agent today, he is certainly raking in more than 4.5. id bet my house on it.

Shhh... I'm on the lamb.
- Tomahawk

seems like someone else is on the lamb, too. or perhaps in prison.

Thanks,

I go back and fourth on Coburn a lot. (Sometimes I worry that I'm pulling a Matt Carle on him and targeting him for illogical reasons.)

I think what I've settled on is that he might just be too comfortable here. Don't get me wrong he's a solid D but early on we saw so much potential and it just vanished.

I look a things like the awful pass he made to Gill that most blamed on Gill and wonder where his head is at.

I'd like to get more out of a 4.5 a year guy. If I'm going to get an asset for him and have more $$$ to play with I think I pull the trigger. I was hoping they'd use him last year to move up in the draft and nab Nichuskin.

That being said if you can't land a guy that can at least offset some of the loss of Coburn then you probably have to hold on to him.
- TheHype

Coburn has some limitations for sure.

He has not really shown much ability to get the puck on the net with accuracy consistently.

He is certainly prone to some bone headed plays at times.

If they could find him the right partner though, (like a younger Kimmo) he has shown the ability to play well defensively against the top players.

If they move Coburn they have to find someone to take his hard minutes.
AMac is not the answer to replacing Coburn's minutes, and as of now LSchenn isn't either (he may be with time, I think Luke still is going to get better).

I can't take him seriously now... it's sad.
- mayorofangrytown

that's understandable.

I can't think of any realistic scenario that would make Coburn expendable.

Don't lie, you never took me seriously.
- Tomahawk

well, what with your constant misuse of data, can you blame him?

You could be right, you could be wrong. That's just one guys opinion and I've never heard of the guy. That site has been around, what, a couple months?
- mayorofangrytown

I follow the NFL draft pretty closely. Sam was projected as a 5th round pick then had an awful combine. He ran a slow 40 and lacks athleticism. His size is more of a 3-4 OLB, but he's not athletic enough to play that position. He's an undersized, situational pass rusher. There are tons of those in the draft.

I don't think they can win the cup sitting back as much as they do. The Flyers and Pens are both overanxious and lack discipline. The Rangers feast off of teams like that. They're going to have trouble with Montreal.
- PhillySportsGuy

i never expected a run to the cup this year, because i didnt think the pens could get past the bruins. i still dont think should the pens have beat the rags and the bruins beat montreal, that the pens would have advanced any farther.

but, be it unfounded bravado or what, i really, really liked the pens chances against MTL. and thats what makes this all the more upsetting.

I know it wont happen but I would love to see Hexy rebuild the D
- vejim

You mean like start from scratch or try and rebuild it overnight?

how about we put VL and scuds on a greyhound somewhere and just both agree for the benefit of all to never have them be relevant again?
- stayinthefnnet

well, what with your constant misuse of data, can you blame him?
- hammarby31

I don't think they can win the cup sitting back as much as they do. The Flyers and Pens are both overanxious and lack discipline. The Rangers feast off of teams like that. They're going to have trouble with Montreal.
- PhillySportsGuy

montreal is a lot like new york in terms of size, ie small, but they speed to burn and more skill than the skirts. and their goalie is just as good and he doens't look like he's wearing a craftmatic adjustable on his chest.

its easier for a fan of another team to appreciate someone elses guys. im sure the shoe can go on the other foot as well. its like grandkids i assume. you love them so much because you only really deal with the good things, and have the ability to ship them back home to their parents to deal with the messes and legitimate issues.

i agree maybe coburn has gotten too comfortable. that can happen with a lot of players once they feel so entrenched. i still just think coburn is a really solid player, but his problem has always been that he is being counted on to be the ace, when he is just not that.

he is a good number 2 pitcher in baseball on a team without an ace, who is constantly forced to go out and be expected to outduel the other team's number one, oftentimes with mixed results. long story short, i dont think he is a bad player by any means, just miscast due to necessity of the roster.

and if he were a free agent today, he is certainly raking in more than 4.5. id bet my house on it.
- stayinthefnnet

Good post. Coburn is certainly under appreciated. Our back end would be horrific without him. He is still frustrating though as in he leaves you wanting more.

I dont see any reason why Coburn would be dealt. Even if he was part of a deal for a #1 defenseman, it would kill their defensive depth. They'd have a #1 and a bunch of #4 dmen.
- PhillySportsGuy

Exactly