It's just a lack of self control. It's flat out immaturity. He gets wrapped up in the moment and lacks hindsight.

People always talk about the Flyers as goons, but just about every Flyer will drop the gloves if called upon. I don't remember Neal ever dropping the gloves. He needs to answer for his antics.
- PhillySportsGuy

he also lacks foresight

You don't get 20-games for taking Sudafed, dude.
- Tomahawk

what did he get caught taking?

guy always seemed to be crazy, one step away from exploding most of the time on the ice

I think Carey Price has been the best goalie in the playoffs thus far. If he leads them to the Cup Finals, I think it's time we start mentioning his name when talking about the best goalie debate.
- PhillySportsGuy

Price has been excellent and he really benefited from Boston hitting post after post. I dont know what it is but I never really liked him.

he also lacks foresight
- wilsonecho91

Thats what I wrote

Thats what I wrote
- PhillySportsGuy

in hindsight, i wish i had more foresight.

he also lacks foresight
- wilsonecho91

and self discipline.

Price has been excellent and he really benefited from Boston hitting post after post. I dont know what it is but I never really liked him.
- KINGKENZO

so did MAF in 2009 and he ended up with a cup.

It's just a lack of self control. It's flat out immaturity. He gets wrapped up in the moment and lacks foresight.

People always talk about the Flyers as goons, but just about every Flyer will drop the gloves if called upon. I don't remember Neal ever dropping the gloves. He needs to answer for his antics.
- PhillySportsGuy

hes a (frank)ing idiotic child. i still think a lengthy suspension is in order for him.

and this current amalgamation of the flyers team is really not that goonish at all. its the contingent of fans still screaming for heads to be ripped off that bothers me.

the flyers as a whole, at least the relevant ones on the team, have far more guys that are gentlemen of the sport.

its easier for a fan of another team to appreciate someone elses guys. im sure the shoe can go on the other foot as well. its like grandkids i assume. you love them so much because you only really deal with the good things, and have the ability to ship them back home to their parents to deal with the messes and legitimate issues.

i agree maybe coburn has gotten too comfortable. that can happen with a lot of players once they feel so entrenched. i still just think coburn is a really solid player, but his problem has always been that he is being counted on to be the ace, when he is just not that.

he is a good number 2 pitcher in baseball on a team without an ace, who is constantly forced to go out and be expected to outduel the other team's number one, oftentimes with mixed results. long story short, i dont think he is a bad player by any means, just miscast due to necessity of the roster.

and if he were a free agent today, he is certainly raking in more than 4.5. id bet my house on it.
- stayinthefnnet

Good points. Like I said I'm probably giving him the Matt Carle treatment and wouldn't realize how important he was til he was gone.

Has a lot to do with High hopes that he'd be an all around guy and a no. 2 who was solid on D but made offense happen. Showed flashes but never materialized.

hes a (frank)ing idiotic child. i still think a lengthy suspension is in order for him.

and this current amalgamation of the flyers team is really not that goonish at all. its the contingent of fans still screaming for heads to be ripped off that bothers me.

the flyers as a whole, at least the relevant ones on the team, have far more guys that are gentlemen of the sport.
- stayinthefnnet

and they have been for a very long time. this BBS moniker is a misnomer. so tired of it.

Coburn has some limitations for sure.

He has not really shown much ability to get the puck on the net with accuracy consistently.

He is certainly prone to some bone headed plays at times.

If they could find him the right partner though, (like a younger Kimmo) he has shown the ability to play well defensively against the top players.

If they move Coburn they have to find someone to take his hard minutes.
AMac is not the answer to replacing Coburn's minutes, and as of now LSchenn isn't either (he may be with time, I think Luke still is going to get better).
- Marc D

Completely agree. Losing Coburn certainly doesn't make you better right now that's for sure.

For me it's more of a changing of the guard move if they were to do it. You know your D is taking a step back and you're going to give your young guys a bit of a trial by fire.

You're also getting away from having a crazy over paid D-core filled with guys that are #3 or 4 on other teams.

he also lacks foresight
- wilsonecho91

Get my friend here a trough of spritzer...

Get my friend here a trough of spritzer...
- mayorofangrytown

Something light...

What, like a nice Chablis?

No... Spritzer.

Spritzer?

Yeah.

Barkeep! Get this man a trough of Spritzer. And you, Cowboy Guy, what do you wanna drink?

I'll have a beer.

Get Cowboy Guy a beer.

Completely agree. Losing Coburn certainly doesn't make you better right now that's for sure.

For me it's more of a changing of the guard move if they were to do it. You know your D is taking a step back and you're going to give your young guys a bit of a trial by fire.

You're also getting away from having a crazy over paid D-core filled with guys that are #3 or 4 on other teams.
- TheHype

They shouldn't of signed Amac then...

Something light...

What, like a nice Chablis?

No... Spritzer.

Spritzer?

Yeah.

Barkeep! Get this man a trough of Spritzer. And you, Cowboy Guy, what do you wanna drink?

I'll have a beer.

Get Cowboy Guy a beer.


- hammarby31

what is this from?

They shouldn't of signed Amac then...
- JFlyers00

I never said they should have lol.

The only reason I disagree with the idea of moving him as the original post suggested is that signing and immediately moving a player is how you end up giving out NMC's on every contract.

If they dump Amac right after signing him the next guy they go to sign will sure as heck be demanding a day one NMC.

so did MAF in 2009 and he ended up with a cup.
- hammarby31

(frank) em

I never said they should have lol.

The only reason I disagree with the idea of moving him as the original post suggested is that signing and immediately moving a player is how you end up giving out NMC's on every contract.

If they dump Amac right after signing him the next guy they go to sign will sure as heck be demanding a day one NMC.
- TheHype

Its different when a New GM takes office and tries to "fix" the mistakes of the old GM. Normally this doesn't raise the same sort of questions this way.

Just comparing to some of the other better teams in the league, the Flyers have failed in employing a NHL caliber fourth line, that contributes instead of having to be hidden.

With all of the tools that a top organization in the NHL has in its holster they have failed.

Every player counts, even those on the fourth line. Ask Dominic Moore, Dale Weise, Andrew Shaw, and many others.

what is this from?
- Marc D

the greatest movie of all time. "the sure thing." 1985.

Just comparing to some of the other better teams in the league, the Flyers have failed in employing a NHL caliber fourth line, that contributes instead of having to be hidden.

With all of the tools that a top organization in the NHL has in its holster they have failed.

Every player counts, even those on the fourth line. Ask Dominic Moore, Dale Weise, Andrew Shaw, and many others.
- flyer_nutter

that's rubbish. don't you know by now, that around here, the 4th line is irrelevant and a game is never won or lost because of its effort?

https://vine.co/v/MXeQ5d5h9q7

marchand's gonna' marchand.

I never said they should have lol.

The only reason I disagree with the idea of moving him as the original post suggested is that signing and immediately moving a player is how you end up giving out NMC's on every contract.

If they dump Amac right after signing him the next guy they go to sign will sure as heck be demanding a day one NMC.
- TheHype

I was just saying that I don't think they would sign Amac only to turn around and deal Coburn. I'll be furious.

I don't think it would be a big deal. From a business standpoint, players and agents should be understanding of the GM change and potential trades that may happen.

Its different when a New GM takes office and tries to "fix" the mistakes of the old GM. Normally this doesn't raise the same sort of questions this way.
- FlyersSteve118

Normally I'd say yes but the new GM was the assistant GM when the deal was made. It would stand to reason that he made his opinion on the deal known.

Didn't they even say in the press conference that they were on the same page and had no disagreements while working together? (could be lip service obviously).

It's not as bad as if Homer was moving him surely, but it still isn't the best move when it comes to building player trust for future deals.

Normally I'd say yes but the new GM was the assistant GM when the deal was made. It would stand to reason that he made his opinion on the deal known.

Didn't they even say in the press conference that they were on the same page and had no disagreements while working together? (could be lip service obviously).

It's not as bad as if Homer was moving him surely, but it still isn't the best move when it comes to building player trust for future deals.
- TheHype

It would really depend then. And the exact dynamic of the situation will never be known to us fans.

Hextall could of been opposed to the Amac deal? If Amac and his agent didn't negotiate the deal in some form with Hextall then they should be understanding.