Fair enough. But from watching him in the combines, he just wasn't that good. I would prefer he be judged on his on the field performance, and if he does well, he deserves to make the team for that reason. But if he does badly and doesn't make the team, it should be because he did badly, and not because he is gay.

I fear people will say its because he is gay no matter what. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your post, but it seems that is the road you are going down.

That doesn't help his cause or the cause of homosexuals in general, IN ANY WAY.

Personally, I want him to do well on his own merits...because I simply don't want to have to listen to all the made up excuses in terms of the Rams and the NFL and people who said he wasn't good enough being called homophobes and haters and all sorts of other vile crap. Its horsepoop.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree. The draft is over, he'll rise or fall on his own merits at this point if everything is just.

The chances of any of us avoiding the crapfest whether he makes the team or not is negligible. If he makes it someone is going to say they kept him because he was gay and if he's cut the other side will blow. It's a huge story and we'll all have to watch it unfold whether we want to or not.

I, for one, am interested. The first openly gay player in the four major sports. That's a pretty big deal for us as a society. Gay/not gay isn't going to effect his success on the field, the story is the circus around it and how everyone reacts to it. He's really not the story, everyone else is.

i agree with that too. but to me, if he is heavily dependent upon a partner in that manner, it prevents him from being considered a true number one guy to me.

yeah, i realize number one and number two guys are both technically top pairings, and thats just semantics to a point, but oh well
- stayinthefnnet

I dont think he's a #1. I just think he would compliment another top pairing guy.

Back when the Flyers had Pronger, they used Timonen on the 2nd pair and Carle on the top pair. Carle was a "top pairing defenseman", but we all know who our 2nd best defenseman really was.

it is going to be an interesting series

Price has looked like the best goalie in the post season so far, but CSP is also really good

rags have 4 good lines with scoring ability on all 4, and a very good top 4 on D

montreal is quicker and I think their goalie is better by a hair

probably go 7 games
- Marc D

it should be a good series, but watching another round of rangers hockey makes me want to rip my eyes out. the 4th line of the rangers has been a big key.

the habs have briere.

Anaheim is the exception

all the teams advancing have at least 4 mobile reliable defenseman and are getting great goaltending
- Marc D

Yup. He's not there yet, but I think Cam Fowler has legit top pairing potential. He's better than any Flyers dman by a good margin and he's only 22.

Interesting debate. I'm not sure I'd choose him for G if I had the pick of ANY winger. I would have to think about it a bit though.
- PhillySportsGuy

How about Zach Parise?

I love Voracek. I think he and Giroux are a little too similar to be on the same line. They both like to hold the puck and distribute. They're both reluctant to shoot.

In a perfect world, we'd have a top line RW to play with G and allow Voracek to carry his own line. I believe he's capable of being the trigger man on the 2nd PP unit too.
- PhillySportsGuy

Voracek is the perfect winger for BSchenn.

But he is needed on the top line too.

Lets clone him, maybe make another copy of read and raffles too

Who would you choose?
- JFlyers00

Jamie Benn

Yup. He's not there yet, but I think Cam Fowler has legit top pairing potential. He's better than any Flyers dman by a good margin and he's only 22.
- PLindbergh31

Lindholm? Wait... what's the conversation, I lost track.

Interesting debate. I'm not sure I'd choose him for G if I had the pick of ANY winger. I would have to think about it a bit though.
- PhillySportsGuy

it definitely is. the more i think about it, i keep landing perry. but yeah, given no salary restrictions or asset to acquire implications, let me know your thoughts if you ponder it a bit.

i think you and i are pretty similar when it comes to evaluating voracek.

Voracek is the perfect winger for BSchenn.

But he is needed on the top line too.

Lets clone him, maybe make another copy of read and raffles too
- Marc D

ill have one of the reads while youre producing. thanks.

it should be a good series, but watching another round of rangers hockey makes me want to rip my eyes out. the 4th line of the rangers has been a big key.

the habs have briere.
- hammarby31

I think the rags are not going to be able to clutch and grab and pick the Habs as much as they want to. Montreal is too speedy and crafty.

Should be interesting.

Habs in seven, but it could easily go either way.

Jamie Benn
- PhillySportsGuy

very, very good choice.

Voracek is the perfect winger for BSchenn.

But he is needed on the top line too.

Lets clone him, maybe make another copy of read and raffles too
- Marc D

I agree with all of this

I think the rags are not going to be able to clutch and grab and pick the Habs as much as they want to. Montreal is too speedy and crafty.

Should be interesting.

Habs in seven, but it could easily go either way.
- Marc D

habs in 6.

How about Zach Parise?
- johndewar

Hate to say it.... How good would that # 10 guy in Chicago look on Giroux's wing?

very, very good choice.
- stayinthefnnet

He's just a great all around player. Any team would love to have him. He's 4 years younger than Perry too. He's not bumhole like Perry either. Perry concussed Giroux during his rookie season with a nasty cheap shot.

Hate to say it.... How good would that # 10 guy in Chicago look on Giroux's wing?
- PLindbergh31

Hate to say it.... How good would that # 10 guy in Chicago look on Giroux's wing?
- PLindbergh31

Probably better than Matt Ellison.

Jamie Benn
- PhillySportsGuy

Parise would also be nice. Even Ovechkin just for my curiosity.

I'd like to see Waffle develop some sort of finishing ability over the offseason. Then maybe a top 6 of:
Raffl - Giroux - Simmonds
Hartnell - Schenn - Voracek

or something similar.

Jamie Benn
- PhillySportsGuy

Benn/Cory Perry

can't go wrong wrong with either choice

habs in 6.
- hammarby31

Yes, would love to see them close out the Rags at MSG.

Hate to say it.... How good would that # 10 guy in Chicago look on Giroux's wing?
- PLindbergh31

nah, couldn't beat Bryz on a breakaway, he suks

Yes, would love to see them close out the Rags at MSG.
- PLindbergh31

that's where i want it. so those (frank)ers can go home with a bitter french taste in the mouths.

He's just a great all around player. Any team would love to have him. He's 4 years younger than Perry too. He's not bumhole like Perry either. Perry concussed Giroux during his rookie season with a nasty cheap shot.
- PhillySportsGuy

im typically not one for the jerkoff players. but id be lying if i said perrys douchebaggery wasnt part of the reason i wanted him on crosbys line. all the talent in the world, but he wouldnt be shy about going over and giving marc staal a shot to the nuts for repeatedly crosschecking crosby in the head.

He's just a great all around player. Any team would love to have him. He's 4 years younger than Perry too. He's not bumhole like Perry either. Perry concussed Giroux during his rookie season with a nasty cheap shot.
- PhillySportsGuy

Everytime I think of Perry, I think of this fight against Mike Richards from when they were in juniors:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSnXEhNoxaA