Florida could help his pale ass skin. Will Kaptaan call me a racist again?
- VANTEL

Wasn't I the racist?

I would offer up Chiasson + Faksa for Edler. It might not fly but it's what I'd push for.

Wasn't I the racist?

I would offer up Chiasson + Faksa for Edler. It might not fly but it's what I'd push for.
- AlexF

Stars would laugh at that man.

I think the vast majority on this board agree that 2013-2014 was a clusterf*ck for the ENTIRE team/organization- significant injuries, coaching, new system, different philosophy, Luongo fiasco/distraction, huge increase in minutes for the top players which contributed to both injuries and fatigue and thus ultimately the quality of play. The year was simply a write-off and an anomaly, and is statistically meaningless. Every single factor that could go wrong, did in fact go wrong. As a result, there is simply no justification for making any sort of assumptions going forward on this basis.

The stats speak for themselves - yes, the Sedins are perhaps no longer 100 points players (how many are? and the handful that reach those levels make $9 to $10 million per year) but to make any sort of assumption as to whether or not there has been any sort of significant decline in their performance is impossible and illogicall. You have to use at least a reasonable sample size. If you do that, the only conclusion that is possible and based on fact, is simply that the Sedins are no longer 100 point players! Putting that into perspective, there was only ONE 100 point player this year - Sidney Crosby. The second highest - Getzlaf with 87.

Ok, so for the umpteenth time, here are the Sedins stats using a proper sample size. Although there has been a 'decline' in statistics, it has to be put in proper perspective and, most importantly, understanding that everything is relative. Therefore, going from well over a point a game all the way down to point per game *insert sarcasm icon here* is something that every team would take in an instant, and especially at that sort of cap hit. Those are phenomenal numbers.

Lastly, and maybe most importantly, the Sedins game is NOT based on speed but on finesse, creativity, fantastic hockey IQ, durability, and vision, which means they can play well into their late 30's and still be productive. I think that seems to be one of the key points you are missing, Vantel.

Henrik

2012-2013 - 45 in 48 games
2011-2012 - 81 in 82 games
2010-2011 - 94 in 82 games
2009-2010 - 112 in 82 games
2008-2009 - 82 in 82 - games

Daniel

2012-2013 - 40 points in 47
2011-2012 - 67 points in 72
2010-2011 - 104 points in 82
2009-2010 - 85 in 63
2008-2009 - 82 in 82
- Zogg

WTF - why did you quote me? I'm talking about Alex Edler, not the Sedins? Did I miss something? Excluding last year the basis of my conversation was that Edler is ~ a 40 point dman.

WTF - why did you quote me? I'm talking about Alex Edler, not the Sedins? Did I miss something? Excluding last year the basis of my conversation was that Edler is ~ a 40 point dman.
- LeftCoaster

I believe he's talking to Vantel. Everyone needs to relax.

WTF - why did you quote me? I'm talking about Alex Edler, not the Sedins? Did I miss something? Excluding last year the basis of my conversation was that Edler is ~ a 40 point dman.
- LeftCoaster

lol, no, I was just throwing the Sedins into the conversation. You know how much Vantel loves that topic (I'm sure he'll come around, though )

Edit: it was to underscore the knee-jerk reaction that some people on the board have concerning some of our top players, whether Edler, Burrows, or the Sedins

Stars would laugh at that man.
- Nucker101

Probably but it'd be a good aggressive starting point. I'd do it just for Faksa straight up.

I think the vast majority on this board agree that 2013-2014 was a clusterf*ck for the ENTIRE team/organization- significant injuries, coaching, new system, different philosophy, Luongo fiasco/distraction, huge increase in minutes for the top players which contributed to both injuries and fatigue and thus ultimately the quality of play. The year was simply a write-off and an anomaly, and is statistically meaningless. Every single factor that could go wrong, did in fact go wrong. As a result, there is simply no justification for making any sort of assumptions going forward on this basis.

The stats speak for themselves - yes, the Sedins are perhaps no longer 100 points players (how many are? and the handful that reach those levels make $9 to $10 million per year) but to make any sort of assumption as to whether or not there has been any sort of significant decline in their performance is impossible and illogicall. You have to use at least a reasonable sample size. If you do that, the only conclusion that is possible and based on fact, is simply that the Sedins are no longer 100 point players! Putting that into perspective, there was only ONE 100 point player this year - Sidney Crosby. The second highest - Getzlaf with 87.

Ok, so for the umpteenth time, here are the Sedins stats using a proper sample size. Although there has been a 'decline' in statistics, it has to be put in proper perspective and, most importantly, understanding that everything is relative. Therefore, going from well over a point a game all the way down to point per game *insert sarcasm icon here* is something that every team would take in an instant, and especially at that sort of cap hit. Those are phenomenal numbers.

Lastly, and maybe most importantly, the Sedins game is NOT based on speed but on finesse, creativity, fantastic hockey IQ, durability, and vision, which means they can play well into their late 30's and still be productive. I think that seems to be one of the key points you are missing, Vantel.

Henrik

2012-2013 - 45 in 48 games
2011-2012 - 81 in 82 games
2010-2011 - 94 in 82 games
2009-2010 - 112 in 82 games
2008-2009 - 82 in 82 - games

Daniel

2012-2013 - 40 points in 47
2011-2012 - 67 points in 72
2010-2011 - 104 points in 82
2009-2010 - 85 in 63
2008-2009 - 82 in 82
- Zogg

I know the numbers and trust me it is not the only thing I factor into their game.

I have never been a fan and never will be.

I think they are outstanding human beings and fantastic citizens..

Like DCT said once , they would not be his choice of who he would want to lead his team into battle.

I will never be a fan of their cycle game and two man passing game. It is a debate we can take to the grave. I will never convince you guys and vice versa.

You guys can enjoy their remaining time on the team as I look forward to the new leadership over the next few years.

Wasn't I the racist?

I would offer up Chiasson + Faksa for Edler. It might not fly but it's what I'd push for.
- AlexF

He calls me racist all the time too.

Probably but it'd be a good aggressive starting point. I'd do it just for Faksa straight up.
- AlexF

Haven't watched Faksa enough to comment, didn't realize he was taken so high in the draft. That comment was more of a fun shot at Vantel, but yeah they'd probably hang up.

He calls me racist all the time too.
- VANTEL

He must be fun at parties.

I know the numbers and trust me it is not the only thing I factor into their game.

I have never been a fan and never will be.

I think they are outstanding human beings and fantastic citizens..

Like DCT said once , they would not be his choice of who he would want to lead his team into battle.

I will never be a fan of their cycle game and two man passing game. It is a debate we can take to the grave. I will never convince you guys and vice versa.

You guys can enjoy their remaining time on the team as I look forward to the new leadership over the next few years.
- VANTEL

Fair enough, so what other factors do you consider, then? because it seems that you have been quite focused on just the stats

Edit: I think we've already covered factors like age, cap-hit etc

lol, no, I was just throwing the Sedins into the conversation. You know how much Vantel loves that topic

Edit: it was to underscore the knee-jerk reaction that some people on the board have concerning some of our top players, whether Edler, Burrows, or the Sedins
- Zogg

The Sedins were 100 point players for one year (out of 13), anyone thinking they could maintain that are idiots, that said, they're older now, 70 points is very realistic.

Fair enough, so what other factors do you consider, then? because it seems that you have been quite focused on just the stats
- Zogg

Probably that they get punched in the face

The Sedins were 100 point players for one year (out of 13), anyone thinking they could maintain that are idiots, that said, they're older now, 70 points is very realistic.
- LeftCoaster

Hell, I'm happy with 65 points next year. BTW I was definitely one of the people who was hoping they'd take 1 year deals per season in case they did ever have a down season or hit a decline. Too bad that never happened.

Haven't watched Faksa enough to comment, didn't realize he was taken so high in the draft. That comment was more of a fun shot at Vantel, but yeah they'd probably hang up.
- Nucker101

Hockey Futures has Faksa as having the upside of a big 2 way 2C, a less talented version of Eric Staal.

Drafted 2 years ago, just signed to an ELC. Like I said, he'd be my target way before Roussel or Chiasson.

Probably that they get punched in the face
- Nucker101

see, now that would be a reasonable basis of assessment

Fair enough, so what other factors do you consider, then? because it seems that you have been quite focused on just the stats
- Zogg

I hate their two man cycle . It think it eats up too much of the PP while they look for the perfect pass.

I am more the type send it back to the point , fire the puck , big scramble in front , knock in the ugly rebound.

When Daniel was injured Hank Jensen and Burrows banged in I think 8 goals in 5 games. Daniel returns ,cycle begins again and scoring drought returns.

Hockey is suppose to be a 6 man game, not 2.

Kesler also ,wanted to do everything by himself.

That is why Kassian Richardson Booth we our best line at the end. They played as a 5 man unit.

Probably that they get punched in the face
- Nucker101

I hated that too.

I hated that too.
- VANTEL

Not gonna lie, I'm i the DCT/Vantel boat as well with them as team leaders, but I still have no issues with them as top 6 players, but you need another line that can score.

Hell, I'm happy with 65 points next year. BTW I was definitely one of the people who was hoping they'd take 1 year deals per season in case they did ever have a down season or hit a decline. Too bad that never happened.
- Nucker101

I would have been happy with three, but whatever, they're two of the best players to ever play for the club. They earned everything they've ever been paid.

Vantel doesn't like their cycle game but what he fails to realize is most teams (watch the interviews) try and establish a cycle game down low. It's their bread and butter, a puck possession game. LA does it, San Jose tried to do it, Logan Couture spoke to it, Chicago does it.

The difference is those teams can also create offence on the rush, which the Canucks can't.

I would have been happy with three, but whatever, they're two of the best players to ever play for the club. They earned everything they've ever been paid.

Vantel doesn't like their cycle game but what he fails to realize is most teams (watch the interviews) try and establish a cycle game down low. It's their bread and butter, a puck possession game. LA does it, San Jose tried to do it, Logan Couture spoke to it, Chicago does it.

The difference is those teams can also create offence on the rush, which the Canucks can't.
- LeftCoaster

This.

Not gonna lie, I'm i the DCT/Vantel boat as well with them as team leaders, but I still have no issues with them as top 6 players, but you need another line that can score.
- Nucker101

They better be 70 pt players this year because fans will turn on them this year if they are not producing. THey have the excuse of the coach they can hide behind this year ,but boy if Daniel goes 23 games this year without a goal , the crowds will be out with their torches.

I hate their two man cycle . It think it eats up too much of the PP while they look for the perfect pass.

I am more the type send it back to the point , fire the puck , big scramble in front , knock in the ugly rebound.

When Daniel was injured Hank Jensen and Burrows banged in I think 8 goals in 5 games. Daniel returns ,cycle begins again and scoring drought returns.

Hockey is suppose to be a 6 man game, not 2.

Kesler also ,wanted to do everything by himself.

Tgat is why Kassian Richardson Booth we our best line at the end. They played as a 5 man unit.
- VANTEL

Ok, so you don't like their style, I can understand that. For myself, I enjoy the finesse, passing, cerebral type of play. But again, I can appreciate you're not a fan of that approach. That still doesn't explain why you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that (other than this year - which as noted, was pretty much a disaster for every player, at least with respect to statistics) the Sedins have been very successful and, in term, the biggest components in the Canucks success.

I would have been happy with three, but whatever, they're two of the best players to ever play for the club. They earned everything they've ever been paid.

Vantel doesn't like their cycle game but what he fails to realize is most teams (watch the interviews) try and establish a cycle game down low. It's their bread and butter, a puck possession game. LA does it, San Jose tried to do it, Logan Couture spoke to it, Chicago does it.

The difference is those teams can also create offence on the rush, which the Canucks can't.
- LeftCoaster

They do a 3 man cycle not two like us .

Not gonna lie, I'm i the DCT/Vantel boat as well with them as team leaders, but I still have no issues with them as top 6 players, but you need another line that can score.
- Nucker101

Different subject, but I agree with the notion that I'd like a different leader on the team. That said, wearing a "C" on your sweater is just for show.