At what age does the average player become an NHL regular. 24? So while I have been critical of Gilles drafting, its fair to say we don't know yet
- Bieksa#3

Don't hold your breath

I beg to differ - all I ever hear from you is Daniel only scored 16 goals, Joel Ward had 24 or Edler was -39 and will never score 40 points again...etc etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but those are numbers.


- LeftCoaster

I'll ask iggysbff. He argued 88 is higher then 89, so anything is possible.

I beg to differ - all I ever hear from you is Daniel only scored 16 goals, Joel Ward had 24 or Edler was -39 and will never score 40 points again...etc etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but those are numbers.


- LeftCoaster

I don't rely on them . I am only average in math and stats. Knowing how many goals a guy has is not relying on numbers. I couldn't tell you how many assists Daniel has if someone asked me. I know he finished with somewhere between 40 to 50 pts. You don't have to be a math expert or stats expert to know that is awful.


I was half listening to the radio the other day and heard them talking about how awful the Canucks stats were, next time I will pull over and write down the numbers. But again the numbers were aweful.

And all of those guys were very, very good players

And pretty lucky to be drafting 1st twice and 2 one in a lifetime prospects are available. Crosby and Mario were can't miss easy picks
- Bieksa#3

Ya it's pretty nice to draft two "generational players" in the span of 30 years.

Ya it's pretty nice to draft two "generational players" in the span of 30 years.
- LeftCoaster

We have Bure.

I'll ask iggysbff. He argued 88 is higher then 89, so anything is possible.
- Bieksa#3

We have Bure.
- VANTEL

Yup - one of my favourites

We have Bure.
- VANTEL

And you can argue he was a gamble. Drafted in 4th round rather then 1st overall. So by the numbers he was probably a better pick then the other 2

I don't rely on them . I am only average in math and stats. Knowing how many goals a guy has is not relying on numbers. I couldn't tell you how many assists Daniel has if someone asked me. I know he finished with somewhere between 40 to 50 pts. You don't have to be a math expert or stats expert to know that is awful.


I was half listening to the radio the other day and heard them talking about how awful the Canucks stats were, next time I will pull over and write down the numbers. But again the numbers were aweful.
- VANTEL

you don't have to write them down, you're right, they were awful. Just a "one off" year IMO. Things should be better next year, for Daniel and Henrik that is.

Ya it's pretty nice to draft two "generational players" in the span of 30 years.
- LeftCoaster

21 yrs

And you can argue he was a gamble. Drafted in 4th round rather then 1st overall. So by the numbers he was probably a better pick then the other 2
- Bieksa#3

For sure the better bargain.

21 yrs
- Bieksa#3

Ya ya - I'm quoting the graph, which had a starting date of 1983.

And you can argue he was a gamble. Drafted in 4th round rather then 1st overall. So by the numbers he was probably a better pick then the other 2
- Bieksa#3

They used a bit of trickery to get that one done, sneaky bastards.

you don't have to write them down, you're right, they were awful. Just a "one off" year IMO. Things should be better next year, for Daniel and Henrik that is.
- LeftCoaster

This is important for Canucks to figure out.

KB3 and I were just discussing the offer sheet to Schenn. If we are drafting top 3 and it wasn't a one off, then he'll no do OS him.

If the Sedins and Canucks just had a terrible year and will finish around 15/16 then I would offer sheet him.

This is important for Canucks to figure out.

KB3 and I were just discussing the offer sheet to Schenn. If we are drafting top 3 and it wasn't a one off, then he'll no do OS him.

If the Sedins and Canucks just had a terrible year and will finish around 15/16 then I would offer sheet him.
- VANTEL

The new GM needs to somehow someway build a youthful second line; I don't care how they do, but they need to do it, or we're in big trouble!

Ya ya - I'm quoting the graph, which had a starting date of 1983.
- LeftCoaster

The chart has a point, but overall the opinion is off.
As I said earlier Detroit is a fine model. Remain competitive while drafting quality players late in the draft. The wings traded a ton of 1st Rounders during that period.
But Pitts and Colorado were garbage for the majority of those yrs.

I still think player development is bigger, and Detroit, NJ are perfect examples. How many guys were no good other places but excelled once in Detroit or new jersey

They used a bit of trickery to get that one done, sneaky bastards.
- LeftCoaster

Need some more of that. Apparently hardly anybody knew of Edler either, or datsyuk when Detroit picked him

The new GM needs to somehow someway build a youthful second line; I don't care how they do, but they need to do it, or we're in big trouble!
- LeftCoaster

They need 4 top 6 players. That is a tall order especially with all the NTCs

Need some more of that. Apparently hardly anybody knew of Edler either, or datsyuk when Detroit picked him
- Bieksa#3

What about that kid in Sweden 6'4 hard to move off the puck crashes the net. Engival I think is his name , projected 3 rd rounder


What is the story on Ritchie . Adam French sort of laughed him off the other day I think but he is big hits fights scores? What is his downfalls?

What about that kid in Sweden 6'4 hard to move off the puck crashes the net. Engival I think is his name , projected 3 rd rounder


What is the story on Ritchie . Adam French sort of laughed him off the other day I think but he is big hits fights scores? What is his downfalls?
- VANTEL

Inconsistant, and lacks work ethic. Not completely off the radar for a big man. Could be Bertuzzi, but could be Clarkson. High risk, high reward.

The chart has a point, but overall the opinion is off.
As I said earlier Detroit is a fine model. Remain competitive while drafting quality players late in the draft. The wings traded a ton of 1st Rounders during that period.
But Pitts and Colorado were garbage for the majority of those yrs.

I still think player development is bigger, and Detroit, NJ are perfect examples. How many guys were no good other places but excelled once in Detroit or new jersey
- Bieksa#3

Detroits' been lucky with a few picks in Zetterberg and Datsyuk, who were both drafted many years ago, they're STILL their go to guys. They haven't drafted players of that quality until recently, so I agree, it's a bit of a myth. But a good read none the less.

I believe when players struggle early on is their careers and then blossom once they find a new home, it has more to do with team environment and structure than development...althought that could be construed as one in the same?

I'll say this, when you're young and developing or trying to make your way into the league, if you come into a team full of journeymen or middle of the row players, you're not going to have as much success as if you come in to a team that has a Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg on it. Much less pressure to perform and be the go-to guy.

Detroits' been lucky with a few picks in Zetterberg and Datsyuk, who were both drafted many years ago, they're STILL their go to guys. They haven't drafted players of that quality until recently, so I agree, it's a bit of a myth. But a good read none the less.

I believe when players struggle early on is their careers and then blossom once they find a new home, it has more to do with team environment and structure than development...althought that could be construed as one in the same?

I'll say this, when you're young and developing or trying to make your way into the league, if you come into a team full of journey men or middle of the row players, you're not going to have as much success as if you come in to a team that has a Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg on it. Much less pressure to perform and be the go-to guy.
- LeftCoaster

Yeah, I consider the enviorment you provide for a player as part of development. Thus the reason I think edm should move one and probably 2 of the hall of farmers for established players

Detroits' been lucky with a few picks in Zetterberg and Datsyuk, who were both drafted many years ago, they're STILL their go to guys. They haven't drafted players of that quality until recently, so I agree, it's a bit of a myth. But a good read none the less.

I believe when players struggle early on is their careers and then blossom once they find a new home, it has more to do with team environment and structure than development...althought that could be construed as one in the same?

I'll say this, when you're young and developing or trying to make your way into the league, if you come into a team full of journeymen or middle of the row players, you're not going to have as much success as if you come in to a team that has a Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg on it. Much less pressure to perform and be the go-to guy.
- LeftCoaster

I'd like to note that Detroit tends to draft/sign a lot of Euro players that play in the SEL and leave them there until they're 21-22 and then bring them over to the AHL. I said it before, if the NHL would raise the draft age to at least 20/21, you'd find the draft failure rate would be a lot less.

Yeah, I consider the enviorment you provide for a player as part of development. Thus the reason I think edm should move one and probably 2 of the hall of farmers for established players
- Bieksa#3

Not every team has had the good fortune of having players of Zetterberg and Datsyuks' quality, a bit of a grey area for me.

To me bringing up a young 18 yr old player and sticking him an environment like Columbus (years past) is an example of poor development. Letting players play another year of junior and then a year or two in the AHL, providing you have your own AHL team, is good development.

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