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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 8 @ 11:49 AM ET
That must have been a lot more awkward considering the complete mess the team was in when Clarke left.
- Feanor


Man. That team was an effing disaster. Just an abomination on almost every level -- and they had a ton of injuries, to boot.

They were so bad, it was actually comical. One of the single-worst teams I've seen watching NHL hockey...ever. No kidding.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 8 @ 11:49 AM ET
Man. That team was an effing disaster. Just an abomination on almost every level -- and they had a ton of injuries, to boot.

They were so bad, it was actually comical. One of the single-worst teams I've seen watching NHL hockey...ever. No kidding.

- AllInForFlyers


"The Season that shall not be named"
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 11:49 AM ET
That must have been a lot more awkward considering the complete mess the team was in when Clarke left.
- Feanor



Think Homer was actually dealt a better hand by Clarke... aside from Gauthier and Rathje, most of the bad/expensive contracts were due to expire or were tradeable.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 8 @ 11:50 AM ET
"The Season that shall not be named"
- johndewar


You'll note that I used no player names, nor yearly designation.
section32
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Raleigh, NC
Joined: 02.15.2007

May 8 @ 11:50 AM ET
Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Hextall even in-house when Lecavalier signed?

If he wasn't -- and I'm not certain, either way -- then isn't the only deal that the Flyers have cut since Hextall got here was MacDonald's?

- AllInForFlyers


They also did the Downey trade...although that's not a contract, but still a deal.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 8 @ 11:52 AM ET
Skepticism is sometimes healthy, but not always. Never question Bruce Campbell.
- BulliesPhan87


ftfy
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 11:54 AM ET
Man. That team was an effing disaster. Just an abomination on almost every level -- and they had a ton of injuries, to boot.

They were so bad, it was actually comical. One of the single-worst teams I've seen watching NHL hockey...ever. No kidding.

- AllInForFlyers




Clarke really mailed it in that last season or so... Kyle Calder? Mike York? Denis Gauthier? Nolan Baumgartner? Wtf man.
OrangeAndBlack1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: I'm not telling.
Joined: 11.29.2011

May 8 @ 11:54 AM ET
I wish Hexy all the luck. He has his work cut out for him. We need some leadership, some guys that will play a complete game, and players that have a good work ethic. Once we find those missing pieces, then if we lose a game, at least we can say that they fought well, and took pride in their game. Passion, and skill. None of this "all talk, but don't show up on game day" business.

And that's the way the cookie crumbles.....

AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 8 @ 11:55 AM ET
They also did the Downey trade...although that's not a contract, but still a deal.
- section32


True, and a fair statement. Hextall was in-house.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 11:56 AM ET
True, and a fair statement. Hextall was in-house.
- AllInForFlyers



Read and Raffl extensions were post-Hextall, too.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 8 @ 11:56 AM ET
Think Homer was actually dealt a better hand by Clarke... aside from Gauthier and Rathje, most of the bad/expensive contracts were due to expire or were tradeable.
- Tomahawk


Hatcher had two more years left at $3.5 million and Rathje had three.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 8 @ 11:58 AM ET
Clarke really mailed it in that last season or so... Kyle Calder? Mike York? Denis Gauthier? Nolan Baumgartner? Wtf man.
- Tomahawk


In retrospect, Clarke's moves were those of someone who kinda checked out.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 8 @ 11:58 AM ET
Read and Raffl extensions were post-Hextall, too.
- Tomahawk


Read's was? Raffl certainly, since he just got here, but I swear this stuff just blurs together at some points. Was Read's extension cut over the summer or during the season?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 8 @ 11:59 AM ET
Clarke really mailed it in that last season or so... Kyle Calder? Mike York? Denis Gauthier? Nolan Baumgartner? Wtf man.
- Tomahawk


GAH! Names are being named! Gah!
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 8 @ 11:59 AM ET
Simmonds is a RW. It would force the team to move Simmer or Jake to LW.

Trading Hartnell would open up a hole and force the team to use the money saved to fill the same hole. It may be beneficial in the long run, but I don't think the team is going to get a great deal on a top line LW. They are going to overpay on years and dollars like they did with Hartnell.

- PhillySportsGuy



I kinda liked the way B. Schenn looked on the top line LW with Giroux and Voracek in his limited time there.

If they could move Hartnell, I wonder if Schenn could benefit from being placed in a supporting role on the top line LW. Let him focus on buzzing around the net and in the corners rather than carry the puck up. Plus, with Giroux and Voracek, he won't have to worry about busting it back because he'll have two forwards more capable of back-checking than Lecavalier and Simmonds.





Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 12:00 PM ET
In retrospect, Clarke's moves were those of someone who kinda checked out.
- johndewar



It's like that guy who makes a big joke out of the fantasy league and picks all the worst players just for a laugh.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 12:00 PM ET
Read's was? Raffl certainly, since he just got here, but I swear this stuff just blurs together at some points. Was Read's extension cut over the summer or during the season?
- AllInForFlyers



Was late summer, not long after Hexy got here.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

May 8 @ 12:02 PM ET
GAH! Names are being named! Gah!

- AllInForFlyers


What's scary is how many of the 06-07 Flyers never played in the NHL again.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

May 8 @ 12:02 PM ET
Clarke really mailed it in that last season or so... Kyle Calder? Mike York? Denis Gauthier? Nolan Baumgartner? Wtf man.
- Tomahawk


It was like he based these moves off of a pack of hockey cards that he bought.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 8 @ 12:03 PM ET
It was like he based these moves off of a pack of hockey cards that he bought.
- johndewar



You could have picked 20 names out of a hat and done better, lol.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 8 @ 12:04 PM ET
Clarke really mailed it in that last season or so... Kyle Calder? Mike York? Denis Gauthier? Nolan Baumgartner? Wtf man.
- Tomahawk


nedved, savage, courtnall...
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 8 @ 12:05 PM ET
You could have picked 20 names out of a hat and done better, lol.
- Tomahawk



Oates.

[Tears]

Why, Clarke? Why?
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

May 8 @ 12:07 PM ET
What's scary is how many of the 06-07 Flyers never played in the NHL again.
- Feanor


Names AND yearly designation have now been submitted! A pox on your houses! Horrible memories are now flooding my mind!

I keep seeing some variation of the phrase "ankle instability in skate boot" OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!

Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

May 8 @ 12:08 PM ET
What's scary is how many of the 06-07 Flyers never played in the NHL again.
- Feanor


PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 8 @ 12:10 PM ET
I kinda liked the way B. Schenn looked on the top line LW with Giroux and Voracek in his limited time there.

If they could move Hartnell, I wonder if Schenn could benefit from being placed in a supporting role on the top line LW. Let him focus on buzzing around the net and in the corners rather than carry the puck up. Plus, with Giroux and Voracek, he won't have to worry about busting it back because he'll have two forwards more capable of back-checking than Lecavalier and Simmonds.

- Moose_15


A possibility, but I still think B Schenn is better at center. When he's not with VL and Briere, he's proven to be an average #2 center.
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