I don't think, with him playing a 4th line and PP specialist role here, that the NMC is an issue. He'd move for the opportunity to play a different role.
- bodiva88

No, but it could limit the options. What if a team like Phoenix is interested? Well, Vinny could say I don't want to deal with heading out West with the travel & other stuff, so I'm not gonna waive the NMC.

i was thinking 6'5, with the afro, 6'9".
- hammarby31

Ok, Fletch.

- hammarby31

as do i. of course his career is cut short here with a freak accident. who suffers career ending stick to the eye concussion? it's ridiculous.

and by the way, adam burish, what a (frank)ing chump.
- hammarby31

And you really can't overstate how much losing Pronger to that injury set the Flyers back. On so many levels, on the ice, in the room, dealing with the media, all of it. You just can't replace a player like that. He brings so much to a team.

No, but it could limit the options. What if a team like Phoenix is interested? Well, Vinny could say I don't want to deal with heading out West with the travel & other stuff, so I'm not gonna waive the NMC.
- Jsaquella

There's not much doubt that the NMC means that Lecavalier has leverage. If the Flyers approach him and ask him to waive, he's going to approach it like he's a free agent again, and will only be willing to go to a place that he feels suits him. And that will limit the Flyers leverage in trading him.

And you really can't overstate how much losing Pronger to that injury set the Flyers back. On so many levels, on the ice, in the room, dealing with the media, all of it. You just can't replace a player like that. He brings so much to a team.
- MJL

Just as Chara is a huge part of Boston's success. Pronger was a huge part of the Flyers success. I don't think there's anyone on this Flyers team who strikes fear into the heart of other teams the way Pronger did.

In fact, the only guy who makes the other team's players keep their heads on a swivel at all times is Rinaldo, and he doesnt quite eat up the same number of minutes that Prongs did.

There's not much doubt that the NMC means that Lecavalier has leverage. If the Flyers approach him and ask him to waive, he's going to approach it like he's a free agent again, and will only be willing to go to a place that he feels suits him. And that will limit the Flyers leverage in trading him.
- MJL

Yes it will. But he also has to understand that he may end up being in the same position he was this season and maybe he doesn't want that. And would rather play for a team where he will have a role more suited to his abilities. I think that balances it out a bit. VLC has leverage for sure, but not as much as one might think.

Name one defenseman 6'6" or over who spent more than one yr out of the NHL after they were drafted in the first round?

The only one I can think of is Pronger, he jumped right to the show and look how he turned out.
- mayorofangrytown

Pronger was a point-per-game player in junior hockey when he was drafted. He was an absolute, can't miss prospect when he was drafted.

If Sam Morin had that kind of offensive output at his size, the Flyers wouldn't have had the chance to draft him.

And you really can't overstate how much losing Pronger to that injury set the Flyers back. On so many levels, on the ice, in the room, dealing with the media, all of it. You just can't replace a player like that. He brings so much to a team.
- MJL

no doubt about it.

- Crimsoninja

Further proof that participation trophies only create mediocrity.

Pronger was a point-per-game player in junior hockey when he was drafted. He was an absolute, can't miss prospect when he was drafted.

If Sam Morin had that kind of offensive output at his size, the Flyers wouldn't have had the chance to draft him.
- johndewar

he would have fallen to #4 and gone to the preds.

he would have fallen to #4 and gone to the preds.
- hammarby31

Yup.

no doubt about it.
- hammarby31

i like Pronger as much as the next guy, but even before the freak eye injury, he was becoming a shell of his former self and people were complaining about him (similar to the blame laid at Kimmo), iidrc. it sucks, but it also eliminated the opportunity that more blame would continue to be laid at his feet.

Pronger was a point-per-game player in junior hockey when he was drafted. He was an absolute, can't miss prospect when he was drafted.

If Sam Morin had that kind of offensive output at his size, the Flyers wouldn't have had the chance to draft him.
- johndewar

We'd have traded up. All you're doing is delaying the Cup run by retarding the progress of Morin and Gostisbehere. That's all we're saying...

i like Pronger as much as the next guy, but even before the freak eye injury, he was becoming a shell of his former self and people were complaining about him (similar to the blame laid at Kimmo), iidrc. it sucks, but it also eliminated the opportunity that more blame would continue to be laid at his feet.
- wilsonecho91

I don't think I agree with this. Was he in his prime? No. But he had 12 points in 13 games that last season. And that is factoring in he probably played 2 or 3 games at well below 100% before he shut it down.

There's not much doubt that the NMC means that Lecavalier has leverage. If the Flyers approach him and ask him to waive, he's going to approach it like he's a free agent again, and will only be willing to go to a place that he feels suits him. And that will limit the Flyers leverage in trading him.
- MJL

I think he will be pretty open to being moved as now both the coach and GM that brought him in are both effectively gone. The question is do the teams that he has interest in have any interest in acquiring him?

He'll likely want to stay on the East Coast so I would look at teams like the Leafs and Panthers. Perhaps the Isles or Sabres?

i like Pronger as much as the next guy, but even before the freak eye injury, he was becoming a shell of his former self and people were complaining about him (similar to the blame laid at Kimmo), iidrc. it sucks, but it also eliminated the opportunity that more blame would continue to be laid at his feet.
- wilsonecho91

What are you talking about? He was still playing at a very high level. He had the back injury then the concussion. Without the concussion, I think he's still an all star level player for at least 2-3 more years.

What are you talking about? He was still playing at a very high level. He had the back injury then the concussion. Without the concussion, I think he's still an all star level player for at least 2-3 more years.
- PhillySportsGuy

i'm talking about what i'm talking about.

and we'll never know, which was part of my point.

i'm talking about what i'm talking about.

and we'll never know, which was part of my point.
- wilsonecho91

He was a #1 dman when he got hurt

I think he will be pretty open to being moved as now both the coach and GM that brought him in are both effectively gone. The question is do the teams that he has interest in have any interest in acquiring him?

He'll likely want to stay on the East Coast so I would look at teams like the Leafs and Panthers. Perhaps the Isles or Sabres?
- hereticpride

Maybe Florida could be a player...I wouldn't if I were them, because they've got Bjugstad, Barkov and Trocheck, but maybe they'd like to have Vinny around to see if Huberdeau does something with him.

I know. Sounds pretty thin.

He was a #1 dman when he got hurt
- PhillySportsGuy

my point is/was that i recalled there being some consternation about Pronger at the time. His getting injured the way he did took away any ability to see how he would have performed going forward. He was the heart and soul of the team, I liked him, and I lament his loss. moving on.

i like Pronger as much as the next guy, but even before the freak eye injury, he was becoming a shell of his former self and people were complaining about him (similar to the blame laid at Kimmo), iidrc. it sucks, but it also eliminated the opportunity that more blame would continue to be laid at his feet.
- wilsonecho91

i remember the game against chicago - game 2? - where he was a -5 and was just awful. that floored me, he played so poorly in such a big game, and i remember thinking maybe that was the beginning of the end. i'd still take him on this team even on the decline.

Yes it will. But he also has to understand that he may end up being in the same position he was this season and maybe he doesn't want that. And would rather play for a team where he will have a role more suited to his abilities. I think that balances it out a bit. VLC has leverage for sure, but not as much as one might think.
- MBFlyerfan

I don't think there is any doubt that he won't want that. But I would think in his mind, based on the type of player he has been, he doesn't think for a second that he's going to be on the 4th line again. He thinks he's going to work hard this off season, and come to camp and be the same player he has always been, and they'll have to play him more on a scoring line. And I wouldn't bet against him on that.
And the Flyers also can't go into the season with that plan of using him on the 4th line again. If they're going to keep him, then they have to make some changes to help maximize his worth as a player. The problem I have is that I don't think the Flyers should cater their moves around a 34 year old player.

Stempniak just undressed McDonagh.

Carcillo being exposed for the sack of poop player he is. This Rags team blows.

Stempniak just undressed McDonagh.

Carcillo being exposed for the sack of poop player he is. This Rags team blows.
- PLindbergh31

god i hope the pens take this in 5