It really is going to be an interesting summer. Not because of free agency. But how they resolve this roster issue.
- AllInForFlyers

i would love to know hextall's position on hartnell. i know he's got a nmc, but that doesn't mean he can't be moved.

i would love to know hextall's position on hartnell. i know he's got a nmc, but that doesn't mean he can't be moved.
- hammarby31

With Hartnell, that's a tough one, because we don't have enough LWs who can score to begin with.

I still think Hartnell has value, is a good player. But anything's possible now. Some teams are probably going to call about certain guys on the roster, too.

How could it not? You'd have to be stone-cold crazy to not be even a little concerned about what a 37-year-old Vincent Lecavalier is going to look like. You can buy him out then, sure, but not every team is willing to put dead money on their cap.
- AllInForFlyers

At least 20 teams carried some type of buyout money on their payroll this season.

How could it not? You'd have to be stone-cold crazy to not be even a little concerned about what a 37-year-old Vincent Lecavalier is going to look like. You can buy him out then, sure, but not every team is willing to put dead money on their cap.
- AllInForFlyers

exactly. but see thats the logic i want to apply when people he is going to fetch some sort of valued asset.

At least 20 teams carried some type of buyout money on their payroll this season.
- mayorofangrytown

including the islanders, who were STILL paying yashin.

With Hartnell, that's a tough one, because we don't have enough LWs who can score to begin with.

I still think Hartnell has value, is a good player. But anything's possible now. Some teams are probably going to call about certain guys on the roster, too.
- AllInForFlyers

now i detract about hartnell a ton. and think his deal is pretty god damn awful. but i dont put him in the same category as VL as having absolutely no value other than just getting rid of him.

i dont think hartnell should fetch a ton. but more than just a sparing the team of having him. someone on here suggested him to Nashville for del zotto. something like that seemed very fair to me for both sides.

including the islanders, who were STILL paying yashin.
- hammarby31

And Dipietro until 2029


I think they have two years left on Yashin

now i detract about hartnell a ton. and think his deal is pretty god damn awful. but i dont put him in the same category as VL as having absolutely no value other than just getting rid of him.

i dont think hartnell should fetch a ton. but more than just a sparing the team of having him. someone on here suggested him to Nashville for del zotto. something like that seemed very fair to me for both sides.
- stayinthefnnet

del zotto was constant trade bait/fodder with nyr. i didn't watch him a ton, so i can't say why, but it gives me pause for concern.

hartnell still has value, but for me, he's simply become too streaky, and i hate that he was an absolute non-factor in the playoffs.

And Dipietro until 2029

- mayorofangrytown

it's really not until 2029, is it?

And Dipietro until 2029


I think they have two years left on Yashin

- mayorofangrytown

i think this coming season is the last year on the yashin buyout.

del zotto was constant trade bait/fodder with nyr. i didn't watch him a ton, so i can't say why, but it gives me pause for concern.

hartnell still has value, but for me, he's simply become too streaky, and i hate that he was an absolute non-factor in the playoffs.
- hammarby31

He wasn't alone in that...

At least he showed up for the first game.

del zotto was constant trade bait/fodder with nyr. i didn't watch him a ton, so i can't say why, but it gives me pause for concern.

hartnell still has value, but for me, he's simply become too streaky, and i hate that he was an absolute non-factor in the playoffs.
- hammarby31

im not saying del zotto is a prime apple. but to me, thats the point. neither is hartnell.

philly gets out of his contract and gets a low risk investment on a type of player that they really, really need.

its like a niskanen shot in the dark. if it doesnt work, it doesnt work. youre still off the books for that deal.

I disagree. The margin between the AHL and the NHL is pretty large. A player like Kris Newbury is a scoring line player in the AHL. He's a call up and 4th liner in the NHL.
- MJL

I did say "relatively speaking".

If you put Newbury on a scoring line at the NHL, he might put up some points. If you play him on the 4th-line as a mucker, of course he won't.

Just like if you put a replacement-level player like Randy Jones in your top-4, he might be capable of scoring 30-points on a good team. Or start a replacement-level goalie like Leighton in the PO's, he might get you to within 2 wins of the Cup.

A lot of AHL guys are good enough to play in the show... they just haven't found their niche or haven't gotten the right break. There's older AHL vets finally graduating into the NHL every year -- Parenteau, Garbutt, MacArthur, Peverley, Santorelli, etc.

i think this coming season is the last year on the yashin buyout.
- hammarby31

They bought him out in 2007 at a length of 8 yrs. 2015!

and yes the Ricker is on the books until 2029.

At least 20 teams carried some type of buyout money on their payroll this season.
- mayorofangrytown

But is it Oskars Bartulis money, or 2-3 million? The difference we're talking about with Lecavalier is significant.

now i detract about hartnell a ton. and think his deal is pretty god damn awful. but i dont put him in the same category as VL as having absolutely no value other than just getting rid of him.

i dont think hartnell should fetch a ton. but more than just a sparing the team of having him. someone on here suggested him to Nashville for del zotto. something like that seemed very fair to me for both sides.
- stayinthefnnet

I like Hartnell. I think he's a good complimentary piece. He drives you crazy with his skating and bad penalties, but he's always on the top line each year.

Hartnell-Carter-Lupul
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Hartnell-G-Jagr
Hartnell-G-Jake

He just seems to make players around him better. He adds his 20+ goals and 50+ points every year as well.

del zotto was constant trade bait/fodder with nyr. i didn't watch him a ton, so i can't say why, but it gives me pause for concern.

hartnell still has value, but for me, he's simply become too streaky, and i hate that he was an absolute non-factor in the playoffs.
- hammarby31

what objectively worries me about hartnell, is that he was typically a player who was still making a contribution with his presence even if he wasnt scoring goals. i.e that hit that let to amacs goal. goal scorers, other than the really elite ones, tend to be streaky. so i wouldnt condemn him for that.

but he just doesnt consistently do those things that made him a valuable player outside of scoring.

He wasn't alone in that...

At least he showed up for the first game.
- mayorofangrytown

certainly not alone. he did have a nice hit to set up amac's goal...it's the only thing i remember him doing that made any difference.

I did say "relatively speaking".

If you put Newbury on a scoring line at the NHL, he might put up some points. If you play him on the 4th-line as a mucker, of course he won't.

Just like if you put a replacement-level player like Randy Jones in your top-4, he might be capable of scoring 30-points on a good team. Or start a replacement-level goalie like Leighton in the PO's, he might get you to within 2 wins of the Cup.

A lot of AHL guys are good enough to play in the show... they just haven't found their niche or haven't gotten the right break. There's older AHL vets finally graduating into the NHL every year -- Parenteau, Garbutt, MacArthur, Peverley, Santorelli, etc.
- Tomahawk

It's not like he's tearing up the AHL either. He's a 10 yr vet who's had all of three 20 goal seasons.

im not saying del zotto is a prime apple. but to me, thats the point. neither is hartnell.

philly gets out of his contract and gets a low risk investment on a type of player that they really, really need.

its like a niskanen shot in the dark. if it doesnt work, it doesnt work. youre still off the books for that deal.
- stayinthefnnet

i hear you.

I like Hartnell. I think he's a good complimentary piece. He drives you crazy with his skating and bad penalties, but he's always on the top line each year.

Hartnell-Carter-Lupul
Hartnell-Briere-Leino
Hartnell-G-Jagr
Hartnell-G-Jake

He just seems to make players around him better. He adds his 20+ goals and 50+ points every year as well.
- PhillySportsGuy

i wont argue there. he is a player that you hate as the opposition. but he does it well, and typically isnt really a dirty guy at all. and he is a treasure off of it. this isnt like a rah rah (frank) him kind of thing.

he strikes me as very similar as kunitz. and kunitz is a damn valuable player. but if he stopped hitting or doing his corner games and things like that, he becomes pretty useless in a hurry. then the age question also does factor in.

I did say "relatively speaking".

If you put Newbury on a scoring line at the NHL, he might put up some points. If you play him on the 4th-line as a mucker, of course he won't.

Just like if you put a replacement-level player like Randy Jones in your top-4, he might be capable of scoring 30-points on a good team. Or start a replacement-level goalie like Leighton in the PO's, he might get you to within 2 wins of the Cup.

A lot of AHL guys are good enough to play in the show... they just haven't found their niche or haven't gotten the right break. There's older AHL vets finally graduating into the NHL every year -- Parenteau, Garbutt, MacArthur, Peverley, Santorelli, etc.
- Tomahawk

i think over half the league is average - meaning they could be replaced with quality ahl players and it wouldn't be any different.

But is it Oskars Bartulis money, or 2-3 million? The difference we're talking about with Lecavalier is significant.
- AllInForFlyers

If a team takes him on next season and changes their mind it's like 2+ for 6 seasons. The teams carrying buyout money are mostly significant numbers. Maybe 4 or 5 under a mil.

i think over half the league is average - meaning they could be replaced with quality ahl players and it wouldn't be any different.
- hammarby31

i mean, if you want to get technical, half the league is actually below average

They bought him out in 2007 at a length of 8 yrs. 2015!

and yes the Ricker is on the books until 2029.
- mayorofangrytown

i feel badly for DP...really do. sure he'll end up with most of that money spread out over another 15 years, but i'm sure he'd rather be a #1 in the nhl, living the life.