That's because we've already forgotten just how damn hard it was to move Andrej Meszaros with one year remaining on his contract, not four
- AllInForFlyers

Yeah but a 20 goal scoring, big center is worth more then a non-physical not really offensive or very good defensivly dmen is

That's because we've already forgotten just how damn hard it was to move Andrej Meszaros with one year remaining on his contract, not four
- AllInForFlyers

Mez had 3 serious injuries in one season. Lecav had a bad season. Your comparing apples to oranges. There is no reason that Lecav can not get 20+ goals 40+assists if put into the right situation. Put him in toronto next to kessel and jvr and they make the playoffs next year.

But truthfully, you really don't know that. There could have been hundreds of prospects who were sent to the AHL and never developed because of any number of reasons when they would have been hard pressed to work hard and improve at the NHL level. How would you even hear about them?

It's easy to pick out the prospects that flounder at the NHL level then fade away. I just think that a prospect will develop to a level accord to his skill level and work ethic. Yes, you need to manage their challenges accordingly.
- mayorofangrytown

I agree. Each player needs to be developed as an individual. There is no one magic method such as every player should spend such and such a time in the AHL.

Look at toronto's centers...They need a guy like vinny.
- PhillaBully

im not debating that. but they dont need that contract.

It's not the jump between College and the NHL that I doubt, it's the jump between the AHL and the NHL that is the consideration. Is it that great anymore? Is it as big as the difference in atmosphere and opportunity to get better?
- mayorofangrytown

I think the AHL is still a really significant jump up in competition... and basically gets these kids 80% up to NHL speed. I don't think the margin between the AHL and NHL is really all that great, relatively speaking.

Mez had 3 serious injuries in one season. Lecav had a bad season. Your comparing apples to oranges. There is no reason that Lecav can not get 20+ goals 40+assists if put into the right situation. Put him in toronto next to kessel and jvr and they make the playoffs next year.
- PhillaBully

Lecavalier had a broken bone in his back. It's not apples to oranges in that it was a serious injury that impacted his play; Meszaros had back surgery, Lecavalier didn't, but the fact remains that Lecavalier has four years remaining on that contract.

If it's easy to move it, great. But four more years...we'll see.

Yeah but a 20 goal scoring, big center is worth more then a non-physical not really offensive or very good defensivly dmen is
- J35Bacher

yes but you guys are only trotting out the positives that VL has as an asset. you cant do that when evaluating the entirety of an assets value.

part of mesz's value WAS that it was only on the books for another year. the entirety of VLs detriment is the contract length.

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- bmeltzer

Anyone who follows the Flyers regularly shouldn't be surprised by the change in management. I look at it more like a fresh start for the organization from top to bottom then a reflection of anything Homer has done. I feel Paul Holmgren was an acceptional General Manager and we were very lucky to have him. On the flip side of the coin, rumor has it Hextall had a major hand in LA's Championship in 2012. Hextall just may have the inside track when it comes to building a winner and being a former goalie might mean we'll never take the position lightly ever again.

I think the AHL is still a really significant jump up in competition... and basically gets these kids 80% up to NHL speed. I don't think the margin between the AHL and NHL is really all that great, relatively speaking.
- Tomahawk

I disagree. The margin between the AHL and the NHL is pretty large. A player like Kris Newbury is a scoring line player in the AHL. He's a call up and 4th liner in the NHL.

Lecavalier had a broken bone in his back. It's not apples to oranges in that it was a serious injury that impacted his play; Meszaros had back surgery, Lecavalier didn't, but the fact remains that Lecavalier has four years remaining on that contract.

If it's easy to move it, great. But four more years...we'll see.
- AllInForFlyers

yeah. im not saying it will be impossible. you never can be sure with GMs these days. i just know if i was in the seat, i wouldnt move anything for him. and i mean anything. its not an indictment so much of him as a player, but just the nature of his deal. i wouldnt take it for free.

I disagree. The margin between the AHL and the NHL is pretty large. A player like Kris Newbury is a scoring line player in the AHL. He's a call up and 4th liner in the NHL.
- MJL

chuck kobesew couldnt score on a line with crosby. down there, he IS crosby.

yes but you guys are only trotting out the positives that VL has as an asset. you cant do that when evaluating the entirety of an assets value.

part of mesz's value WAS that it was only on the books for another year. the entirety of VLs detriment is the contract length.
- stayinthefnnet

It's a significant impediment -- no one's going to be looking to do the Flyers any favors, taking that cap hit. If he was still an average skater, it'd probably be different, but he isn't.

Interesting news, Manchester Monarchs, AHL affiliate if the Kings, says coach Mark Morris will not return....wonder if he's a candidate for a job with the Flyers or Phantoms?

It's a significant impediment -- no one's going to be looking to do the Flyers any favors, taking that cap hit. If he was still an average skater, it'd probably be different, but he isn't.
- AllInForFlyers

If he's healthy, and can get back to where he was before the injury, he is an average skater. For some reason the injury just wants to be discounted.
And regardless of how well he skates, teams aren't ever looking to do another team a favor.

Interesting news, Manchester Monarchs, AHL affiliate if the Kings, says coach Mark Morris will not return....wonder if he's a candidate for a job with the Flyers or Phantoms?
- Jsaquella

Hextall cleans house. Flyers next Head coach.

If he's healthy, and can get back to where he was before the injury, he is an average skater. For some reason the injury just wants to be discounted.
And regardless of how well he skates, teams aren't ever looking to do another team a favor.
- MJL

Yeah, I'm not discounting the injury. That's the whole point. Nobody else will, either

There's a school of thought in Detroit that says that Nill was the brains behind the operation and Holland was getting all the credit. I think some of the bizarre moves they've made in the past 1-2 seasons might lend a bit of credence to that.
- Tomahawk

Possible....I know I liked the Nill hire for Dallas, and the early indications are that he will do a very good job there

It's a significant impediment -- no one's going to be looking to do the Flyers any favors, taking that cap hit. If he was still an average skater, it'd probably be different, but he isn't.
- AllInForFlyers

its hard for me to evaluate him as a player due to the injury. but that kind of highlights my worry. will he consistently have types of injuries that become chronic, and eventually blur the lines on what kind of player he can even be?

all in all, id just stay away. 4.5 mil wouldnt be a crushing amount on a one or two year deal. but at 4 more. it becomes a hell of a concern to me.

If I had to bet today...man, I don't know. You can't just be young everywhere, but for whatever reason, I don't know that Hextall, if he can't move Lecavalier, doesn't just buy him out.

If Hextall truly believes in supporting these kids and not trading them, then you don't trade Schenn, you get him a winger, and that means Lecavalier won't be on the roster in the fall.

There's only limited trade options with the player, and TBH, I really do think it's best to just move on and let the player find a spot where he fits.
- AllInForFlyers

I think that they wait another year before considering a buyout. But I also think if they can get a deal done without eating too much cash(cap), they make a move

its hard for me to evaluate him as a player due to the injury. but that kind of highlights my worry. will he consistently have types of injuries that become chronic, and eventually blur the lines on what kind of player he can even be?

all in all, id just stay away. 4.5 mil wouldnt be a crushing amount on a one or two year deal. but at 4 more. it becomes a hell of a concern to me.
- stayinthefnnet

How could it not? You'd have to be stone-cold crazy to not be even a little concerned about what a 37-year-old Vincent Lecavalier is going to look like. You can buy him out then, sure, but not every team is willing to put dead money on their cap.

Yeah, I'm not discounting the injury. That's the whole point. Nobody else will, either
- AllInForFlyers

yeah. thats how i feel about it as well. im totally fine saying youre right, we didnt get to see what kind of player he was due to the injury.

it would be like saying well, you can buy this used car off of me. it can go fast, but for this mechanical problem that may or may not be fixed with time.

even if i believe you, i still dont know if i want to be bothered with it.

I think, if they're patient and we're lucky...they have the right pieces, if they draft a couple of scoring wingers over the next two seasons.

If they can get a couple of scoring wingers to hit in 2016, because scoring wingers come quicker, when Giroux's just 28 years old and a couple of those defensemen could be ready...oh, my goodness.
- AllInForFlyers

exactly. and i have every confidence mason will just get better. he'll be in his prime years then too.

yeah. thats how i feel about it as well. im totally fine saying youre right, we didnt get to see what kind of player he was due to the injury.

it would be like saying well, you can buy this used car off of me. it can go fast, but for this mechanical problem that may or may not be fixed with time.

even if i believe you, i still dont know if i want to be bothered with it.
- stayinthefnnet

Exactly

yeah. thats how i feel about it as well. im totally fine saying youre right, we didnt get to see what kind of player he was due to the injury.

it would be like saying well, you can buy this used car off of me. it can go fast, but for this mechanical problem that may or may not be fixed with time.

even if i believe you, i still dont know if i want to be bothered with it.
- stayinthefnnet

He's been dinged up in each of the last few seasons, so counting on a healthy Lecavalier may be a fool's errand.

People keep saying Nashville, but the Preds already have a lot of centers, both veterans, young NHLers & Prospects who are nearly ready. They're already using some out of position on the wings.

Of course Hextall did mention maybe taking a "lesser" player in a trade to get some cap room. Maybe that means a Gaustad for Lecavalier swap....just spitballing.


But the years, money, injuries and age have me wondering how moveable Lecavalier is, and that's before the NMC is even mentioned

I think that they wait another year before considering a buyout. But I also think if they can get a deal done without eating too much cash(cap), they make a move
- Jsaquella

It really is going to be an interesting summer. Not because of free agency. But how they resolve this roster issue.