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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 6 @ 4:42 PM ET
We only have Macs, could you send it in Publisher?
- mayorofangrytown


FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

May 6 @ 4:42 PM ET
Broken down per period. Which is exactly what it says.
- MJL


LA generates 11 more shots than the opponent per game. That is 3.66 shots a period. NOT 1.6.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 6 @ 4:43 PM ET
Sure I did!
- MJL


I appreciate the effort, but we use these numbers in "Close" situations only. This way it eliminates the skewing by "Score Effects."
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 6 @ 4:43 PM ET
1) You're probably not confining the data to close situations, to account for score effects,

2) You can't just divide the total events by 82 to get the per game... some teams spend more minutes per game at ES, others, like the Flyers, spend more time up and down a man,

3) Why are you doing the math yourself? The drop-down in Extraskater can easily convert the totals to /60 rates.

- Tomahawk



What happened to looking at 5 on 5 play? Each time the critieria changes. Yes, when looking at simple Corsi at 5 on 5 play, you can just divide the total events to get the per game.

I'm looking at per game and per period.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

May 6 @ 4:44 PM ET
What do you mean you can't you just photoshop the jagged edges away? Sorry, but I only have my company logo available in this 200x50 jpeg.
- Tomahawk

I love when they ask to print in silver or gold or here's our logo on a reflective sticker, can you make that work.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

May 6 @ 4:44 PM ET
It's a significant difference. But it's not huge.
- MJL


In hockey significant = huge.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 6 @ 4:44 PM ET
It's a significant difference. But it's not huge.
- MJL


Its a pretty big difference.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

May 6 @ 4:44 PM ET
Firing 5 more shot attempts and allowing 6 less shot attempts per game is a big deal.
- PhillySportsGuy


No offense, but no it isn't. It's note-worthy, I guess. But it's most certainly not a "big deal".

This the part where Advanced Stats become way involved for me. To be talking about single digit differential shot ATTEMPTS in the game of hockey is just ridiculous to me.

That difference alone doesn't equate to anything tangible. All that tells me from a glance is that the teams (likely) play two different styles of hockey, meaning each team is likely better/worse at different aspects of the game compared to the other. It doesn't effectively provide you with any useful information.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 6 @ 4:44 PM ET
I appreciate the effort, but we use these numbers in "Close" situations only. This way it eliminates the skewing by "Score Effects."
- bradleyc4


Who exactly is "we"? Close situations is not the only way to look at it. If it was, then the numbers for total 5 on 5 play, wouldn't be kept.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 6 @ 4:45 PM ET
Who exactly is "we"? Close situations is not the only way to look at it. If it was, then the numbers for total 5 on 5 play, wouldn't be kept.
- MJL



/sigh
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 6 @ 4:45 PM ET
LA generates 11 more shots than the opponent per game. That is 3.66 shots a period. NOT 1.6.
- FlyersSteve118



Not sure why you can't figure out what I typed there. I broke it down to CF and CA, for per game and per period.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

May 6 @ 4:46 PM ET
No offense, but no it isn't. It's note-worthy, I guess. But it's most certainly not a "big deal".

This the part where Advanced Stats become way involved for me. To be talking about single digit differential shot ATTEMPTS in the game of hockey is just ridiculous to me.

That difference alone doesn't equate to anything tangible. All that tells me from a glance is that the teams (likely) play two different styles of hockey, meaning each team is likely better/worse at different aspects of the game compared to the other. It doesn't effectively provide you with any useful information.

- mochoson


With a sv% of like .910 and and a regular shot block rate of like 10%

That is like .75 goals per game. How is that not a HUGE difference?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 6 @ 4:47 PM ET
No offense, but no it isn't. It's note-worthy, I guess. But it's most certainly not a "big deal".

This the part where Advanced Stats become way involved for me. To be talking about single digit differential shot ATTEMPTS in the game of hockey is just ridiculous to me.

That difference alone doesn't equate to anything tangible. All that tells me from a glance is that the teams (likely) play two different styles of hockey, meaning each team is likely better/worse at different aspects of the game compared to the other. It doesn't effectively provide you with any useful information.

- mochoson


Yeah. Good and bad
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

May 6 @ 4:47 PM ET
/sigh
- Tomahawk



Maybe I should link some of your posts where you corrected me for using total Corsi for the whole game, where you said it should be limited to 5 on 5 play. Now that I've shown how insignificant the 5 on 5 numbers are, and provided some context. Now it is only 5 on 5 close that matters.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 6 @ 4:48 PM ET


Corsi folks are all like this.
Non Corsi folks are all like that.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 6 @ 4:50 PM ET
Who exactly is "we"? Close situations is not the only way to look at it. If it was, then the numbers for total 5 on 5 play, wouldn't be kept.
- MJL


Close situations is the not the only way to look at it. That is correct.

But it's the best way.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

May 6 @ 4:50 PM ET
Not sure why you can't figure out what I typed there. I broke it down to CF and CA, for per game and per period.
- MJL


But you don't understand how that stat works. LA stops the Flyers from generating offense, Flyers redeem their 50% corsi by playing the worse teams after getting beat by LA in this department. You can't compare the two teams like that. That is NOT how you read that stat.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 6 @ 4:50 PM ET
Maybe I should link some of your posts where you corrected me for using total Corsi for the whole game, where you said it should be limited to 5 on 5 play. Now that I've shown how insignificant the 5 on 5 numbers are, and provided some context. Now it is only 5 on 5 close that matters.
- MJL



5V5 close is what we're talking about.

Teams that go up 2+ goals sit back -- aka score effects.
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

May 6 @ 4:51 PM ET
5V5 close is what we're talking about.

Teams that go up 2+ goals sit back -- aka score effects.

- Tomahawk


Yeah he doesn't get it.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

May 6 @ 4:52 PM ET
Corsi folks are all like this.
Non Corsi folks are all like that.

- Moose_15


jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

May 6 @ 4:52 PM ET
My genitalia is tingling.
Moose_15
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rat Patrol, PA
Joined: 02.15.2013

May 6 @ 4:52 PM ET
[ places aluminum hat on ]
Corsi stats were created by Ed Snider and his minions of cyber-web writers to distract Flyers fans from the issues of club-culture, all the while distracting the fans from the true reality that they have not won a cup in almost 40 years.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

May 6 @ 4:57 PM ET
I pulled this image from the internet. Is the quality good enough for a full page in a 4C, glossy magazine?
- bradleyc4


yes. this 6kb 72 dpi .png file is perfect. thanks.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

May 6 @ 4:59 PM ET
yes. this 6kb 72 dpi .png file is perfect. thanks.
- hammarby31


Here's a low-res pdf of an ad I did with a competitor, can we use this?
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 6 @ 5:00 PM ET
yes. this 6kb 72 dpi .png file is perfect. thanks.
- hammarby31



Bonus points if the image has no IP release and still has the stock company's watermark on it.
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