So it's a given that he would struggle?
- MJL

if the flyers trade him i'd think it's a sure bet he'd do awesome

So it's a given that he would struggle?
- MJL

Its the Leafs. They all struggle

if the flyers trade him i'd think it's a sure bet he'd do awesome
- -davies-

If not all season, at least against the Flyers.

If healthy, Lecavalier is exactly what the Leafs need. If he is healthy, Bozak and Kadri, aren't the players that Lecavalier is, at center.
- MJL

THey would only eat him alive after he struggled. He would be their savior up until the season starts though.
- PhillySportsGuy

Exactly, the Cup route would be planned by all fans if they got their hands on Vinny. Then, as soon as he has one bad game... He would be eaten alive by media.

Exactly, the Cup route would be planned by all fans if they got their hands on Vinny. Then, as soon as he has one bad game... He would be eaten alive by media.
- 3flyerkids

If the Leafs had both Clarkson and VL's full cap hit

I guess if it wasnt for my belief in bryzgalov, id be a fortune teller here.

I get the feeling that Laughton would need a little time on the fourth line or AHL conditioning. Coots is definitely ahead of Laughton for second line duties.
- FlyersSteve118

Perhaps, but Coots has not shown the offensive flair I'd want to move him off of the Checking line that he has excelled at this year. He needs to develop his offensive game. That's why I thought Akeson was a great addition to his and Read's line.

Perhaps, but Coots has not shown the offensive flair I'd want to move him off of the Checking line that he has excelled at this year. He needs to develop his offensive game. That's why I thought Akeson was a great addition to his and Read's line.
- flyler

Couts offense will improve if the 2nd and 4th line can assume some of the defensive burden. He plays really tough minutes and never gets a chance to be on the PP. If the other lines can improve, he should see more favorable match ups.

We don't need to trade Schenn or Vinny. We need to trade Hartnell. Can't keep up with the first line at all anymore.

PhillySportsGuy] If the Leafs had both Clarkson and VL's full cap hit


Not too mention Dion's !

This lecavalier mess is the epitome of flyer front office problems...we got they amnesty briere, they bring in lecavalier, albeit a cheaper deal but still pricey and long for a piece that doesnt fit and is basically washed up. They got rid of richards and carter then go an overpay for luke schenn. Gave up on Bob, got bryzgalov.

Im not holding my breath for this organization to take the next step until theres a major culture change.

If theres one good thing to come out of Homer's tenure, he traded a young goalie for another goalie.

This lecavalier mess is the epitome of flyer front office problems...we got they amnesty briere, they bring in lecavalier, albeit a cheaper deal but still pricey and long for a piece that doesnt fit and is basically washed up. They got rid of richards and carter then go an overpay for luke schenn. Gave up on Bob, got bryzgalov.

Im not holding my breath for this organization to take the next step until theres a major culture change.

If theres one good thing to come out of Homer's tenure, he traded a young goalie for another goalie.
- JoeRussomanno

They've made some massive mistakes, but I think you're conveniently leaving out a lot of good they've done.

[quote=3flyerkids]

I think Phaneuf is a pretty good player. He should not be a captain though.

The Leafs would fall apart on defense if they didn't have Phaneuf. He faces the toughest match ups of any defenseman in the NHL according to Extraskater.

Giroux up for Lindsay Award:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/ne...717984&navid=nhl:topheads

This lecavalier mess is the epitome of flyer front office problems...we got they amnesty briere, they bring in lecavalier, albeit a cheaper deal but still pricey and long for a piece that doesnt fit and is basically washed up. They got rid of richards and carter then go an overpay for luke schenn. Gave up on Bob, got bryzgalov.

Im not holding my breath for this organization to take the next step until theres a major culture change.

If theres one good thing to come out of Homer's tenure, he traded a young goalie for another goalie.
- JoeRussomanno

Im not entirely sure what "culture change" means. In my mind, I would like to see the team stop trying to take shortcuts to success. I would like them to form a plan and stick to it. If that means missing the playoffs a few times to get better then so be it.

If that's what you mean by "culture change" then Ok, I'm all for it.

They've made some massive mistakes, but I think you're conveniently leaving out a lot of good they've done.
- bradleyc4

That wouldn't fit the narrative.

http://flyers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=717912

Giroux a finalist for Ted Lindsay.

I think Phaneuf is a pretty good player. He should not be a captain though.

The Leafs would fall apart on defense if they didn't have Phaneuf. He faces the toughest match ups of any defenseman in the NHL according to Extraskater.


We'll they have nobody else. Not many Leaf fans are looking forward to another 7 years at 7 million . He is definitely not Captain material but they have no one else. Dion just gets grilled here, helll he has even called into to local radio talk shows to defend himself and to " apologize for not taking interviews after games.
- PhillySportsGuy

Im not entirely sure what "culture change" means. In my mind, I would like to see the team stop trying to take shortcuts to success. I would like them to form a plan and stick to it. If that means missing the playoffs a few times to get better then so be it.

If that's what you mean by "culture change" then Ok, I'm all for it.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree "culture change" is such a silly term. I am sure he meant they need to get away from the Broad Street Bully mentality. That is always the solution. Truth of the matter is the Bullies teams had great talent on defense and offense. They also had a great goalie. That team beat the crap out of people physically and by playing hockey really well. They also were built with great personnel management. Take out all of the fighting and that team was really good.

The "culture change" argument is dumb and is used by people who cannot think. So if they got rid of all the former "Bully" players and lost for the next five years does that guarantee a Stanley Cup?

Im not entirely sure what "culture change" means. In my mind, I would like to see the team stop trying to take shortcuts to success. I would like them to form a plan and stick to it. If that means missing the playoffs a few times to get better then so be it.

If that's what you mean by "culture change" then Ok, I'm all for it.
- PhillySportsGuy

To be fair, they've done a decent job sticking to the plan lately. They've hung onto the young players they put together after tradepocalypse, rather than trading them off for the big piece. They've begun restocking the pipeline in regards to defensive prospects. They didn't swing for the fences at the trade deadline.

I think it's fair to question their prudence in free agency, but I think they've displayed a fair amount of patience otherwise.

[quote=3flyerkids]

Its such a (frank)ed up situation for him. I still think he's a decent player. He's being paid a lot, but thats the market. He would have gotten that money from somebody.

I agree "culture change" is such a silly term. I am sure he meant they need to get away from the Broad Street Bully mentality. That is always the solution. Truth of the matter is the Bullies teams had great talent on defense and offense. They also had a great goalie. That team beat the crap out of people physically and by playing hockey really well. They also were built with great personnel management. Take out all of the fighting and that team was really good.

The "culture change" argument is dumb and is used by people who cannot think. So if they got rid of all the former "Bully" players and lost for the next five years does that guarantee a Stanley Cup?
- mickel25

I know. Its not like the Flyers spend all of their money on enforcers. They carry one true enforcer and he hardly plays.

To me, the culture change is more about trying to win the cup EVERY YEAR. The team, mainly ownership, has lacked foresight for a while now.

I agree "culture change" is such a silly term. I am sure he meant they need to get away from the Broad Street Bully mentality. That is always the solution. Truth of the matter is the Bullies teams had great talent on defense and offense. They also had a great goalie. That team beat the crap out of people physically and by playing hockey really well. They also were built with great personnel management. Take out all of the fighting and that team was really good.

The "culture change" argument is dumb and is used by people who cannot think. So if they got rid of all the former "Bully" players and lost for the next five years does that guarantee a Stanley Cup?
- mickel25

This team is not even close to the Bully Culture. They are trying to be a faster team. Look at the Oilers. Do we want that. years of high picks and nothing working out. The Penguins got lucky with sucking in a 5 year span with good drfts but it isn't like they had to scout hard. All their picks were no brainers and lucky they won the lotto to beat out Anaheim for Crosby. Just like Chicago being lucky and beating the Flyers for Kane. I think this team is trying to move in the right direction. BUt do we want them to suck for 5 years or do we want them to try and win. And be honest with yourself. Because saying you want them to scuk for five years you know your lying because no one in philly wants that.

I know. Its not like the Flyers spend all of their money on enforcers. They carry one true enforcer and he hardly plays.

To me, the culture change is more about trying to win the cup EVERY YEAR. The team, mainly ownership, has lacked foresight for a while now.
- PhillySportsGuy

I agree. By holding onto players like B. Schenn and Couturier I think they have showed they are willing to be patient.

I also believe you do not need to miss the playoffs to improve. Playoffs are all about matchups. If you get the right matchup you can win some series.