I wish Homer would stay the hell away from UFA. I know you're fond of the player, but you have to admit that kind of contract carries a huge risk. AMac, Streit and Niskanen pushing $18M+? That's scary.
- Tomahawk

Yeah. I wasn't happy about Streit or Amac's deal. I would have much rather them taken a shot at Niskanen than Amac.

The best thing to do would probably be to offer Stralman a mid-level deal. $4-4.5M over 3-4 years.

7year $7M AAV.
- PhillySportsGuy

That's Dion Phaneuf term and money!

I would rather have Niskanen, as I have seen WAY too much of Dion, but that is a lot of coin.

I am still hoping Myers is on their radar. I know it's a long shot but the " Weber dream" seems to be over.

bolts will trade the flyers malone and purcell for vinny back. hell we will even throw in RFA lindback if you guys give us one of your dmen. really any will do.
- boltsfan48

Ill trade vinny for malone and than just buyout his contract

bolts will trade the flyers malone and purcell for vinny back. hell we will even throw in RFA lindback if you guys give us one of your dmen. really any will do.
- boltsfan48

You'd have to eat some money or take back another player. It would be too much for the Flyers to take on $9M.

I would do VL+2nd rounder for Purcell though

Ill trade vinny for malone and than just buyout his contract
- FlyersSteve118

Cue Briere the grammar Nazi again.

I wish Homer would stay the hell away from UFA. I know you're fond of the player, but you have to admit that kind of contract carries a huge risk. AMac, Streit and Niskanen pushing $18M+? That's scary.
- Tomahawk

It would not make sense for a GM not to use all the tools available to him, to build the team. Just have to make the right choices, and he generally has, as far as Free Agency is concerned. I like Niskanen, and he would be a nice addition. Not sure what he's going to command, but if it's 7M, then I think that's too much.

Yeah. I wasn't happy about Streit or Amac's deal. I would have much rather them taken a shot at Niskanen than Amac.

The best thing to do would probably be to offer Stralman a mid-level deal. $4-4.5M over 3-4 years.
- PhillySportsGuy

I mean look at our best/most important players right now... not a single one of them was a July 1 acquisition -- G and Coots were drafted... Mase, Simmer and Coburn were trades. I'd love to see Homer go the trade route to bring in a puck-mover who can bridge the gap to the kids, instead of trying to "solve" all the big problems via UFA again.

you use "then" a lot when you mean "than".

sorry....carry on..
- Briere

Expect a strongly worded PM from him

Yeah. I wasn't happy about Streit or Amac's deal. I would have much rather them taken a shot at Niskanen than Amac.

The best thing to do would probably be to offer Stralman a mid-level deal. $4-4.5M over 3-4 years.
- PhillySportsGuy

And then what happens if you lose out on Niskanen, and MacDonald signs somewhere else? Then the GM is criticized for not making a move to shore up the defense. Streit and MacDonald gives the Flyers a very good second pair.

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I know. I would be hoping more for 6-6.5M.

If Niskanen is willing to accept 6 years $6M AAV, the Flyers should take a hard look at that.

I would understand if he wanted more and they walked away.

Yeah. If the Pens weren't the Flyers primary rival, Letang would be a guy I would ask about. With his rough season, rough playoffs, health concerns and large contract, he wouldn't cost an arm and leg like other top pairing guys.

The skill is still there. He's just lost his confidence.
- PhillySportsGuy

i wouldnt give him away though. last night, he was practically a revelation. but yeah, the key will be putting that out there consistently.

hes just been so up and down. the guy and like 12 or 13 goals this year while playing in less than half the games. and for everyone just saying he is an offensive defenseman, the dude has the best recovery speed ive seen, and can play with a good deal of snarl.

the problem is always, like the rest of the team, between his ears.

I know. I would be hoping more for 6-6.5M.

If Niskanen is willing to accept 6 years $6M AAV, the Flyers should take a hard look at that.

I would understand if he wanted more and they walked away.
- PhillySportsGuy

i feel as though if he was going to accept that, he might already be a penguin long term.

bolts will trade the flyers malone and purcell for vinny back. hell we will even throw in RFA lindback if you guys give us one of your dmen. really any will do.
- boltsfan48

Ill drive him to the airport myself!!!

I mean look at our best/most important players right now... not a single one of them was a July 1 acquisition -- G and Coots were drafted... Mase, Simmer and Coburn were trades. I'd love to see Homer go the trade route to bring in a puck-mover who can bridge the gap to the kids, instead of trying to "solve" all the big problems via UFA again.
- Tomahawk

Yeah. It would be great if he could pull off another Carle or Coburn. This team desperately needs him to pull a rabbit out of his hat again.

Young defenseman cost so much though. You want him to make a move, but every move for a young defenseman comes with an exorbitant amount of risk.

It is what it is though. Cant be afraid to make a move.

And then what happens if you lose out on Niskanen, and MacDonald signs somewhere else? Then the GM is criticized for not making a move to shore up the defense. Streit and MacDonald gives the Flyers a very good second pair.
- MJL

No matter what he does, he will be criticized. This is a guy who acquired Carle and Coburn for Downie, Zhitnik and a second round pick.

People have complained about both of those players for years like we parted with Gretzky for them.

i wouldnt give him away though. last night, he was practically a revelation. but yeah, the key will be putting that out there consistently.

hes just been so up and down. the guy and like 12 or 13 goals this year while playing in less than half the games. and for everyone just saying he is an offensive defenseman, the dude has the best recovery speed ive seen, and can play with a good deal of snarl.

the problem is always, like the rest of the team, between his ears.
- stayinthefnnet

He won't come cheap. He's just not going to command the amount that a #1 defenseman would.

No matter what he does, he will be criticized. This is a guy who acquired Carle and Coburn for Downie, Zhitnik and a second round pick.

People have complained about both of those players for years like we parted with Gretzky for them.
- PhillySportsGuy

Well that is true, since the narrative that he's not a good GM, mismanages the Cap, etc. is always going to be out there.

Don't forget Eminger, which cost the Flyers a 1st round pick.

Ill drive him to the airport myself!!!
- jmdodgeser4

Could you drive him to Tampa, we're cutting costs this year boys.

Yeah. It would be great if he could pull off another Carle or Coburn. This team desperately needs him to pull a rabbit out of his hat again.

Young defenseman cost so much though. You want him to make a move, but every move for a young defenseman comes with an exorbitant amount of risk.

It is what it is though. Cant be afraid to make a move.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah, Carle and Coburn weren't exactly at the top of every must-have list at the time we got them, and that's why they were affordable to acquire. We could have just as easily ended up with Ron Hainsey on a $25M contract in 2008 or traded the farm for Tomas Kaberle instead. I'm sure the next Carle and Coburn are out there... will just take an extra bit of sniffing around to find them.

Well that is true, since the narrative that he's not a good GM, mismanages the Cap, etc. is always going to be out there.

Don't forget Eminger, which cost the Flyers a 1st round pick.
- MJL

He's been very hit and miss with defenseman. Some have worked out well and others have been really bad.

Could you drive him to Tampa, we're cutting costs this year boys.
- mayorofangrytown

Ill fly with them, rent a car in tampa and drive him to the arena ...or anywhere he needs to go. Ill then do the same in reverse for your traded players with a stop in philly drug house for malone to hold him over till he gets on his feet..

He's been very hit and miss with defenseman. Some have worked out well and others have been really bad.
- PhillySportsGuy

I'd say the opposite. His track record in acquiring defenseman is very strong.

Yeah, Carle and Coburn weren't exactly at the top of every must-have list at the time we got them, and that's why they were affordable to acquire. We could have just as easily ended up with Ron Hainsey on a $25M contract in 2008 or traded the farm for Tomas Kaberle instead. I'm sure the next Carle and Coburn are out there... will just take an extra bit of sniffing around to find them.
- Tomahawk

Yeah. Its difficult to find those defenseman who have struggled, but are on the verge of becoming established top 4 dmen. It requires patience as well. If the player isn't producing for the first half of the season, are they going to sell?

Yeah, Carle and Coburn weren't exactly at the top of every must-have list at the time we got them, and that's why they were affordable to acquire. We could have just as easily ended up with Ron Hainsey on a $25M contract in 2008 or traded the farm for Tomas Kaberle instead. I'm sure the next Carle and Coburn are out there... will just take an extra bit of sniffing around to find them.
- Tomahawk

What about a guy like Gilbert from Florida ( not as the top Dman to pursue) but a guy that did have a couple good years in Edmonton and has played on a poor Florida team. I wonder what he will get this year as he was at 900K last year. I really did not see much of him this year.

Yeah. Its difficult to find those defenseman who have struggled, but are on the verge of becoming established top 4 dmen. It requires patience as well. If the player isn't producing for the first half of the season, are they going to sell?
- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah, the low-hanging fruit is the player who's just had a terrific contract year.

I'm more interested in guys with potential and strong underlying metrics, but who are struggling (badly)... those are the players that I can extract the most value out of trade-wise.

Think Niskanen circa 2009-13.