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Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:03 AM ET
There are much much more egregious contracts out there. At least you know what you're consistently getting with Burrows
- Zogg



5 goals?


-Vantel



VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:04 AM ET
There are much much more egregious contracts out there. At least you know what you're consistently getting with Burrows
- Zogg


I thought I did but he came nowhere close to my expectations last year.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Apr 30 @ 1:05 AM ET
I think there seems to be a consensus that Burrows means a lot more to the Canucks as opposed to the perception outside of Vancouver. We would never be able to get back any sort of equitable return for Burrows, simply because his overall game cannot be summed up with statistics. Just for that reason alone, he should continue to remain a Canuck.

But I guarantee (yes, you heard me, feckers!) that Burrows will have a great season next year (barring of course any possible injuries, which throughout his career he's been able to avoid, other than this past year). Book it

- Zogg

You know what, I think Burrows is a valuable player, I'm just at the end of my rope with his BS. I'm ok if he stays, but I'll never like the guy or his antics.
LeftCoaster
San Jose Sharks
Location: Shark City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Apr 30 @ 1:06 AM ET
I thought I did but he came nowhere close to my expectations last year.
- VANTEL

In fairness to him, I guess, he did only plat in just over half the games and had two major injuries. That affects things.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:07 AM ET
Got a question for you nuckers.

Whats up with Jordan Schroeder, is he pretty much done? career AHLer?
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:09 AM ET
http://www.uticacomets.co...-final-visit-was-special/
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Apr 30 @ 1:10 AM ET
5 goals?


-Vantel




- Nucker101


@#$@#$ wankers I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. As I touched on, I will go out on a limb here and say that Burrows is going to have a great season next year (again, barring any significant injuries). Let's tawk in February 2015
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:10 AM ET
In fairness to him, I guess, he did only plat in just over half the games and had two major injuries. That affects things.
- LeftCoaster


I know .

I am trying to look at it from a business side. I try to figure out who scores more ,him or Hansen. Hansen is younger ,scored more and is 2 million cheaper.

I know Burrows has been a heart and soul guy but I don't want to hang onto players when it's too late to move. If Burrows has another year like last year or just slightly better then we are stuck with that contract for a few more years.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:11 AM ET
Got a question for you nuckers.

Whats up with Jordan Schroeder, is he pretty much done? career AHLer?

- Mentalorgasm5

He will be the next Cody Hodgson
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:12 AM ET
@#$@#$ wankers I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. As I touched on, I will go out on a limb here and say that Burrows is going to have a great season next year (again, barring any significant injuries). Let's tawk in February 2015
- Zogg


That's assuming Sedins have a better year. One feeds the other.
Zogg
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.16.2005

Apr 30 @ 1:13 AM ET
http://www.uticacomets.com/comets-final-visit-was-special/
- Fosco


Great story, and just shows you that some athletes aren't just about the money, or at least feel like it's important to give back to the community
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:14 AM ET
He will be the next Cody Hodgson
- VANTEL

a 40-50 point guy thats horrid in his own end? I only ask cause of fantasy purposes, just wondering if I should cut ties with him.

Is he gonna have a shot on the main club next year?
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:14 AM ET
a 40-50 point guy thats horrid in his own end? I only ask cause of fantasy purposes, just wondering if I should cut ties with him.

Is he gonna have a shot on the main club next year?

- Mentalorgasm5

Get the scissors out and run.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:15 AM ET
a 40-50 point guy thats horrid in his own end? I only ask cause of fantasy purposes, just wondering if I should cut ties with him.

Is he gonna have a shot on the main club next year?

- Mentalorgasm5



How deep is this league? Time to cut him IMO. Especially if you count hits/pims.
Chest Rockwell
Vancouver Canucks
Location: White Rock, BC
Joined: 08.31.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:17 AM ET
Horvat will have to be included in a trade for Kane. Plus the 6th overall.
- LeftCoaster


Picking up Kane would be a huge mistake, especially if Horvat is involved.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:18 AM ET
He will be the next Cody Hodgson
- VANTEL


Hodgson has some pretty good offensive skill and IQ, it's a shame that he's neither big or fast and doesn't care for defense.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 30 @ 1:18 AM ET
Picking up Kane would be a huge mistake, especially if Horvat is involved.
- Chest Rockwell


Disagree. 30 goal, young powerforward types don't grow on trees.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:20 AM ET
How deep is this league? Time to cut him IMO. Especially if you count hits/pims.
- Nucker101

deep league, 12 teams, 28 man roster, 12 man prospect team, atm he is on farm team. I won the championship, so my team is deep, farm pretty good for just selling off players such as krieder, nyquist, tatar and hertl.

I have two open spots on my main roster, thinking about calling him up, and just dropping him for an FA once the season starts if he doesnt do anything.
Mentalorgasm5
Buffalo Sabres
Location: "F-" Robert, NY
Joined: 06.29.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:20 AM ET
Hodgson has some pretty good offensive skill and IQ, it's a shame that he's neither big or fast and doesn't care for defense.
- Nucker101

he really does hate defense
Chest Rockwell
Vancouver Canucks
Location: White Rock, BC
Joined: 08.31.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:20 AM ET
Got a question for you nuckers.

Whats up with Jordan Schroeder, is he pretty much done? career AHLer?

- Mentalorgasm5


Great player, just not utilized properly. We'd probably let you steal him from us for the NYI first rounder.
Chest Rockwell
Vancouver Canucks
Location: White Rock, BC
Joined: 08.31.2007

Apr 30 @ 1:24 AM ET
Disagree. 30 goal, young powerforward types don't grow on trees.
- Nucker101


Agree to disagree. The kid is the Joe Camel of the NHL.
Canuckleafer
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.18.2013

Apr 30 @ 8:07 AM ET
Agree to disagree. The kid is the Joe Camel of the NHL.
- Chest Rockwell


I agree. He's the type of player that you'd have to overpay for.
Chest Rockwell
Vancouver Canucks
Location: White Rock, BC
Joined: 08.31.2007

Apr 30 @ 9:27 AM ET
Out of full respect to Marwood, I apologize in advance for posting the article but the chance to land Babcock would be the only reason I would keep torts around another year:

Detroit — Mike Babcock isn’t feeling complacent. That’s not a word, as he likes to say, that’s even in his vocabulary.

But less than 72 hours after the Red Wings season ended with another first-round playoff exit, Babcock insisted he’s comfortable with his contractual situation.

And if that makes his bosses uncomfortable, well, they certainly know where to find him.

Babcock, who turned 51 on Tuesday, signed a four-year extension in October 2010 that made him the highest paid coach in the NHL. That means he’ll be entering the final year of his deal this fall, though he doesn’t seem at all worried about it.

“No priority, whatsoever,” Babcock said when asked about the possibility of signing an extension this summer. “I’m real comfortable with the owner (Mike Ilitch), with the manager (Ken Holland), and that’s not a concern for me one bit.

“One thing, when you’re at the stage I am, I’m real comfortable with whatever they want. I want them to be happy. And if they’re not happy, then I’m not happy.”

He went on to joke he’ll either be coaching the Red Wings this fall or serving as an assistant at Michigan under Red Berenson, with whom he’s developed a close bond since coming to Detroit in 2005.

But beyond that?

“I haven’t thought about going anywhere else,” Babcock said. “I like it here. The owner’s great to me — actually, the owner’s better than great to me here — and they do things right, they treat people right. And the GM is a driven guy who can’t stand losing. And I like to be around ultracompetitive people.”

In 2010, that general manager also signed an extension that runs through the 2014-15 season, though Holland confirmed Tuesday his contract carries a team option for 2015-16, with incentive clauses that could trigger it based on the team’s performance next season.

Yet, while Holland says he’s “assuming” he’ll have talks with ownership about signing an extension this offseason, Babcock suggested he might not. In fact, when asked directly about that possibility Tuesday, he replied, “I doubt it.”

I doubt they won’t, frankly. Holland said he expects to sit down with Babcock to talk about it relatively soon.

But all of this only fuels speculation the Red Wings coach might prefer to hit free agency a year from now. The youngest of Babcock’s three children, daughter Taylor, will graduate high school next spring, so the family ties won’t be the same bind they’ve been. And there’s little doubt Babcock would be a hot commodity on the open market, if it ever came to that.

“If this was my first gig, I’d want an extension,” he said. “It’s not. I’m good.”

He’s better than good.

He’s the only coach in history to lead teams to gold medals at the Olympics and World Championships in addition to a Stanley Cup title.

He has been to three Cup Finals as a coach and figures to be a finalist for the Jack Adams Award as the league’s best coach this season.

This month, he passed Adams for No. 1 on the Red Wings career wins list.

His teams have missed the playoffs once in 11 seasons.

Babcock hasn’t exactly endeared himself to his players — particularly some of the veterans — with his abrasive, hard-driving style over the years. But with some prodding from management, he has toned it down the past two seasons. And while Babcock didn’t mince words when analyzing the team’s string of early playoff exits since 2009 — “That’s a five-year drought, the way I look at it,” he said — he got high marks from Holland for his work this season, guiding an inexperienced and injury-riddled lineup back to the postseason again.

“I respect the job that he does for us, the work ethic,” Holland said. “I respect the job that he did this year in putting the young players into the lineup and sticking with them. …

“I think if you put down a list of the best coaches in the NHL, he’s on a short list. He’s on that list. I think many people would have him on that list.”

Babcock’s undoubtedly aware of that, just as he’s aware that a decade at the helm for one team is practically an eternity in this league. And in addition to negotiating leverage, that might be one reason he said Tuesday he wouldn’t mind operating on a year-to-year basis in Detroit, much like Scotty Bowman did at the end of his Hall of Fame coaching career.

Successor on hand?

There are a handful of NHL vacancies right now. Washington, Nashville and Florida have fired their coaches, while others — Toronto’s Randy Carlyle and Vancouver’s John Tortorella — remain in limbo after disappointing seasons sparked front-office changes.

San Jose’s Todd McLellan and Pittsburgh’s Dan Bylsma are no locks to stay put if the playoffs end poorly for either team.

But that’s true every offseason in the NHL.

And with Babcock’s future in Detroit uncertain beyond next season — “I gotta talk to Mike, but I do want him back,” Holland reiterated — it’s one more reason they’ll hang on to a possible in-house successor.

Jeff Blashill, hired from Western Michigan to be Babcock’s assistant in 2011, led the AHL’s Grand Rapids Griffins to a Calder Cup title last spring and has them rolling again in this year’s playoffs.

He, too, is under contract for one more season, but when I asked Holland if he’d allow the 40-year-old Blashill to interview with other NHL teams if they came calling this summer, he said no.

“I don’t really want to be a development team for other people, really,” Holland said. “I’ve got to get this program going. … But I would say to you I believe Blash is an NHL coach-in-the-making.”

“Is he ready today?” Holland continued.

Maybe not, was his implied answer. But like Babcock, Holland will smartly keep his options open.

mrpaulish
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Itasca, IL
Joined: 01.18.2010

Apr 30 @ 10:13 AM ET
Hey Guys , how ya doin ?


I miss trolling/arguing/ fighting with you all during the playoffs .


You guys hanging in there ? Who do you all have tonight ?


Im pulling for Minnesota, NYR , and the Sharks.


SMP8719
Vancouver Canucks
Location: ALDY , BC
Joined: 02.24.2012

Apr 30 @ 10:15 AM ET
I was thinking of getting a scorer for two years while the kids develop. Could have said Vanek, there is not a lot to chose from.
- VANTEL


Depending on term... I just dont' want to overpay for a FA long term.
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