Personally I'm tired of the clown shown, like to see a semblance of professionalism from management after the (frank)-show we've seen over the past few years.
- LeftCoaster

Yeah agreed for sure.

One thing I don't want to do next year is improve slightly. Piss or get off the pot. Drafting between 10 and 20 th will slow us down to a glacial flow( Thanks Tony G)


I still don't understand the comments about if we trade all our core we will be horrible?

It is pretty damn hard to be worst than this year. Thruthfully how much farther can we be than 25 th . Say it again so you don't forget , TwentyFifth.

The sooner we get youth and get rid of the old tugboats the better we will be.


I don't mean bringing in Horvat or any of the kids this year , let them go to the AHL for a year or two.
We will get young by trading core for nearly ready prospects Lkke Niño N or Bonino.

- VANTEL

Simply put, its very easy.

We, as you advocate tank for 2-3 years by trading all of our veteran experience for futures, resulting in high draft picks which ultimately develop and progress in a losing, leaderless and dismal environment.

For every Chicago and Pittsburgh there is a Edmonton, Islanders, Florida, Atlanta/Winnipeg and Columbus( yes, they are winning in the playoffs, but I'm talking about the last 13 years)

You insistently portray a one way solution which has frankly resulted in more failure then gain and disregard the other route, the re-tool route pertaining to Boston, San Jose, Detroit, Philly, Dallas, St-Louis, Rangers, New Jersey etc.

For every four of you who demand a blow-up, one of you will actually consistently watch the team and remain a true fan over the next three to five to ten years of rebuilding....then once we become competitive again y'all rush back for the glory, and has history has portrayed, upon failing to reach the promise land once again demand a reset from scratch....

I like watching hockey, competitive hockey at that. No one team can consecutively win the cup every year, but putting on the blinders and returning to 70s-80s era Canucks hockey in the blind hope of establishing a cup winner is................(frank)ing SAD!!!!

Drunken rant, over..........................................................................................

Simply put, its very easy.

We, as you advocate tank for 2-3 years by trading all of our veteran experience for futures, resulting in high draft picks which ultimately develop and progress in a losing, leaderless and dismal environment.

For every Chicago and Pittsburgh there is a Edmonton, Islanders, Florida, Atlanta/Winnipeg and Columbus( yes, they are winning in the playoffs, but I'm talking about the last 13 years)

You insistently portray a one way solution which has frankly resulted in more failure then gain and disregard the other route, the re-tool route pertaining to Boston, San Jose, Detroit, Philly, Dallas, St-Louis, Rangers, New Jersey etc.

For every four of you who demand a blow-up, one of you will actually consistently watch the team and remain a true fan over the next three to five to ten years of rebuilding....then once we become competitive again y'all rush back for the glory, and has history has portrayed, upon failing to reach the promise land once again demand a reset from scratch....

I like watching hockey, competitive hockey at that. No one team can win the cup every year, but putting on the blinders and returning to 70s-80s era Canucks hockey in the blind hope of establishing a cup winner is................(frank)ing SAD!!!!

Drunken rant, over..........................................................................................
- Delta-Bravo

Problem is, even with a complete blow up of the core or a retool on the fly, we're still going to need 2-3 years to return to some semblance of being able to challenge for the Cup, let alone the playoffs. The fact of the matter is, when your two stars are twins making 7 million and starting to accummilate injuries at the age of 33 (34 when next season starts), and they've already had their worst statistical season yet, that's not going to change. We need to get that franchise superstar, like a Crosby, Toews, Benn, etc who WANTS that puck and will do ANYTHING to have it with less than a minute to go to get that goal to win it.

For those of you expecting that what we get back in a Edler trade, or Kesler trade or any other combo of pieces is going to magically make us that much better is fooling themselves. What you all fail to realize is that Linden (and whoever is named GM) is going to have to rebuild the franchise from the ground up if they want to be able to follow a different model than they are now. That doesn't happen overnight, let alone by next season and it certainly isn't going to be easy or painless.

Please PLEASE let the Kings/Sharks series go at least 6. Just nasty, mean, intense, hard-hitting, hate-on, play-off hockey @#$@#$# fantastic!

Simply put, its very easy.

We, as you advocate tank for 2-3 years by trading all of our veteran experience for futures, resulting in high draft picks which ultimately develop and progress in a losing, leaderless and dismal environment.

For every Chicago and Pittsburgh there is a Edmonton, Islanders, Florida, Atlanta/Winnipeg and Columbus( yes, they are winning in the playoffs, but I'm talking about the last 13 years)

You insistently portray a one way solution which has frankly resulted in more failure then gain and disregard the other route, the re-tool route pertaining to Boston, San Jose, Detroit, Philly, Dallas, St-Louis, Rangers, New Jersey etc.

For every four of you who demand a blow-up, one of you will actually consistently watch the team and remain a true fan over the next three to five to ten years of rebuilding....then once we become competitive again y'all rush back for the glory, and has history has portrayed, upon failing to reach the promise land once again demand a reset from scratch....

I like watching hockey, competitive hockey at that. No one team can consecutively win the cup every year, but putting on the blinders and returning to 70s-80s era Canucks hockey in the blind hope of establishing a cup winner is................(frank)ing SAD!!!!

Drunken rant, over..........................................................................................
- Delta-Bravo

Problem is, even with a complete blow up of the core or a retool on the fly, we're still going to need 2-3 years to return to some semblance of being able to challenge for the Cup, let alone the playoffs. The fact of the matter is, when your two stars are twins making 7 million and starting to accummilate injuries at the age of 33 (34 when next season starts), and they've already had their worst statistical season yet, that's not going to change. We need to get that franchise superstar, like a Crosby, Toews, Benn, etc who WANTS that puck and will do ANYTHING to have it with less than a minute to go to get that goal to win it.

For those of you expecting that what we get back in a Edler trade, or Kesler trade or any other combo of pieces is going to magically make us that much better is fooling themselves. What you all fail to realize is that Linden (and whoever is named GM) is going to have to rebuild the franchise from the ground up if they want to be able to follow a different model than they are now. That doesn't happen overnight, let alone by next season and it certainly isn't going to be easy or painless.
- DariusKnight

It will be painful, no doubt. But we don't have to strive for the 1,2 or 3rd overall pick for 5 years to accomplish that goal, as you stated, Benn is a perfect example of good drafting by a team which has for the most part picked between the 10th to 25th overall selection year in year out, not to mention the fact he was what? a third round pick or something?

It wont happen overnight, agreed however, you look at teams like Boston, San Jose, Detroit, Philly, Dallas, St-Louis, Rangers and they found youthful replacements through trade, both for high picks and/or young players and maintained an element of entertaining competitiveness, as opposed to EDM, in which the average fan looks at Hall and says, wow, what a great season....kid got 80 points, meanwhile the team finished last in the conference.

Say what you will about Gillis, but he saw this coming and adapted, we got Horvat, Shink, Cassels, Subban and Cederholm in the last draft, not to mention Gaunce, Mallet and Hutton the year before.

We are already on the right track without having the necessity of having to blow up the team. With the above listed prospects, coupled with the fact that we got the 6th overall and preceding high selections in rounds 2-7 we can complement our aging core with youth, which at the end of the day is the best case scenario for both the young and old players of this team.

It will be painful, no doubt. But we don't have to strive for the 1,2 or 3rd overall pick for 5 years to accomplish that goal, as you stated, Benn is a perfect example of good drafting by a team which has for the most part picked between the 10th to 25th overall selection year in year out, not to mention the fact he was what? a third round pick or something?

It wont happen overnight, agreed however, you look at teams like Boston, San Jose, Detroit, Philly, Dallas, St-Louis, Rangers and they found youthful replacements through trade, both for high picks and/or young players and maintained an element of entertaining competitiveness, as opposed to EDM, in which the average fan looks at Hall and says, wow, what a great season....kid got 80 points, meanwhile the team finished last in the conference.

Say what you will about Gillis, but he saw this coming and adapted, we got Horvat, Shink, Cassels, Subban and Cederholm in the last draft, not to mention Gaunce, Mallet and Hutton the year before.

We are already on the right track without having the necessity of having to blow up the team. With the above listed prospects, coupled with the fact that we got the 6th overall and preceding high selections in rounds 2-7 we can complement our aging core with youth, which at the end of the day is the best case scenario for both the young and old players of this team.
- Delta-Bravo

You change your name?

It will be painful, no doubt. But we don't have to strive for the 1,2 or 3rd overall pick for 5 years to accomplish that goal, as you stated, Benn is a perfect example of good drafting by a team which has for the most part picked between the 10th to 25th overall selection year in year out, not to mention the fact he was what? a third round pick or something?

It wont happen overnight, agreed however, you look at teams like Boston, San Jose, Detroit, Philly, Dallas, St-Louis, Rangers and they found youthful replacements through trade, both for high picks and/or young players and maintained an element of entertaining competitiveness, as opposed to EDM, in which the average fan looks at Hall and says, wow, what a great season....kid got 80 points, meanwhile the team finished last in the conference.

Say what you will about Gillis, but he saw this coming and adapted, we got Horvat, Shink, Cassels, Subban and Cederholm in the last draft, not to mention Gaunce, Mallet and Hutton the year before.

We are already on the right track without having the necessity of having to blow up the team. With the above listed prospects, coupled with the fact that we got the 6th overall and preceding high selections in rounds 2-7 we can complement our aging core with youth, which at the end of the day is the best case scenario for both the young and old players of this team.
- Delta-Bravo

Hold on, the paragraph in bold is very misleading. Horvat is the only thing extra there. Otherwise you think Gillis participated in the drafts because he saw this coming? 30 teams participate.... Its reasonable to say half those names you list are going to struggle to be impact players in the NHL even. Gillis didnt see it coming and didnt do much about it in the end....

No idea who this guy is, but his tweets were posted over at HF:




Mark Seidel ‏@MarkSeidel
DT: I’m on record as saying the 2015 NHL Draft will yield the most talent in NHL history! The 2003 edition was great but ’15 will be better!

DT: Everyone justifiably talks about McDavid/Eichel because those guys are “Generational” talents that will transform a city & franchise but

DT: Guys like Hanifin, Konecny, Kylington, Barzal, Werenski, Sprong, Marner, Roy, Crouse & Strome are ALL potential stars down the road!

DT: That's why the NY Islanders decision to keep the #5 pick is so mystifying. It screams of desperation & may hurt the franchise long term!





Trade Kesler and some other guys for futures!

No idea who this guy is, but his tweets were posted over at HF:




Mark Seidel ‏@MarkSeidel
DT: I’m on record as saying the 2015 NHL Draft will yield the most talent in NHL history! The 2003 edition was great but ’15 will be better!

DT: Everyone justifiably talks about McDavid/Eichel because those guys are “Generational” talents that will transform a city & franchise but

DT: Guys like Hanifin, Konecny, Kylington, Barzal, Werenski, Sprong, Marner, Roy, Crouse & Strome are ALL potential stars down the road!

DT: That's why the NY Islanders decision to keep the #5 pick is so mystifying. It screams of desperation & may hurt the franchise long term!





Trade Kesler and some other guys for futures!
- Nucker101

the Isles have until June 1st to announce that either way, they haven't made their decision yet

Simply put, its very easy.

We, as you advocate tank for 2-3 years by trading all of our veteran experience for futures, resulting in high draft picks which ultimately develop and progress in a losing, leaderless and dismal environment.

For every Chicago and Pittsburgh there is a Edmonton, Islanders, Florida, Atlanta/Winnipeg and Columbus( yes, they are winning in the playoffs, but I'm talking about the last 13 years)

You insistently portray a one way solution which has frankly resulted in more failure then gain and disregard the other route, the re-tool route pertaining to Boston, San Jose, Detroit, Philly, Dallas, St-Louis, Rangers, New Jersey etc.

For every four of you who demand a blow-up, one of you will actually consistently watch the team and remain a true fan over the next three to five to ten years of rebuilding....then once we become competitive again y'all rush back for the glory, and has history has portrayed, upon failing to reach the promise land once again demand a reset from scratch....

I like watching hockey, competitive hockey at that. No one team can consecutively win the cup every year, but putting on the blinders and returning to 70s-80s era Canucks hockey in the blind hope of establishing a cup winner is................(frank)ing SAD!!!!

Drunken rant, over..........................................................................................
- Delta-Bravo

If I wanted to tank I would keep the same roster. This current roster will finish bottom 3 next year.

I am tired of watching this boring style of crappy hockey. Anyone who thinks it is entertaining ,I suggest drink more.

One goal hockey after 22 min of cycling or puck possession is old Minny hockey without the trap.

The fans that would stop watching can not be blamed on a new roster seeing there were thousands not showing up already with this current roster.

Repeat 25 th

Problem is, even with a complete blow up of the core or a retool on the fly, we're still going to need 2-3 years to return to some semblance of being able to challenge for the Cup, let alone the playoffs. The fact of the matter is, when your two stars are twins making 7 million and starting to accummilate injuries at the age of 33 (34 when next season starts), and they've already had their worst statistical season yet, that's not going to change. We need to get that franchise superstar, like a Crosby, Toews, Benn, etc who WANTS that puck and will do ANYTHING to have it with less than a minute to go to get that goal to win it.

For those of you expecting that what we get back in a Edler trade, or Kesler trade or any other combo of pieces is going to magically make us that much better is fooling themselves. What you all fail to realize is that Linden (and whoever is named GM) is going to have to rebuild the franchise from the ground up if they want to be able to follow a different model than they are now. That doesn't happen overnight, let alone by next season and it certainly isn't going to be easy or painless.
- DariusKnight

I think you are right . It is going to take 3 to 5 years for a serious bid of a competitive team.

I would rather watch the likes of Kassian Lack COrrado than a Luongo Edler Sedin lineup. IMO time to turn the page to the future and let go of 2011.

Step one was taken with LU being moved and I think this young guy they put in nets is not much of a step backwards.

Let's try it now with the forwards and D.

Say yes to change.

Bieksa has always been the laziest top 4 Dman on the roster. Also for years he would beat guys up over little personal things out on the ice but not pound someone for cheap shots or intended injuries on team mates. He's also the guy making injury excuses at the end of the season for his playoff suckage but continuing to play in the World Championships instead of treatment and rehab (like last season).

I wouldnt go as far as to say keep him away from our young players but the crap you are saying is comical. Bieksa is not a good leader. Look at him in our big playoff run while in leads,,, he's making fun of the oppositions players through the media like he's on Johnny Carson. He did it every single round and couldnt shut up about players hair cuts and poop. Thats not how your veteran leaders should act possibly supplying the enemy with motivation or support for their team mates.... let the opponents keep them selves down..... it was clearly all about Bieksa when ever a camera or mic happened to be around.
- boonerbuck

I am glad that there is someone else that sees the forest from the trees. KB is our modern day Anson Carter. Trade him while every tem thinks he is the Weber 2.0. While we are at it I want ot bring up another trade that I brought earlier.
6th overall + Shink+ Hensen + 2014 4th

Evander Kane and 2014 2nd.

then you trade the Peg 2nd and KB to Philly for
B Schenn and 2014 1st.

The top line of Schenn, Kane and Kassian will be insane. Modern day west coast express.

Our track record of pincking guys that fell in the draft are not great. Look at Gaunce, Shroeder...I think Shink will be in the same boat.

I am glad that there is someone else that sees the forest from the trees. KB is our modern day Anson Carter. Trade him while every tem thinks he is the Weber 2.0. While we are at it I want ot bring up another trade that I brought earlier.
6th overall + Shink+ Hensen + 2014 4th

Evander Kane and 2014 2nd.

then you trade the Peg 2nd and KB to Philly for
B Schenn and 2014 1st.

The top line of Schenn, Kane and Kassian will be insane. Modern day west coast express.

Our track record of pincking guys that fell in the draft are not great. Look at Gaunce, Shroeder...I think Shink will be in the same boat.
- Linden_4_Capt

I have no problem of trading the 6 th Hansen and Shink for Kane but don't see much point in the 2nd round stuff. leave it simple.

KB for Schenn straight up is fine also.

Replace KB toughness with Engelland cheaper. He can be 5/6 pairing.

Hold on, the paragraph in bold is very misleading. Horvat is the only thing extra there. Otherwise you think Gillis participated in the drafts because he saw this coming? 30 teams participate.... Its reasonable to say half those names you list are going to struggle to be impact players in the NHL even. Gillis didnt see it coming and didnt do much about it in the end....

- boonerbuck

True, but you can't ignore the fact that it was the first draft in a very,very long time in which management actually emphasized, and fully participated in.

When was the last time we actually gained picks as opposed to trading them, or picked in the top ten, or arguably had one of the better selections through rounds 1-5 in the league.

You repeatedly bashed Gillis for missing the gun, playing catch-up and side-stepping issues, then when he finally did something significant and progressive, you discount it.

Fact is he realized the team was slowly dying and as opposed to trading future assets in an attempt to maintain a playoff hope, made some tough decisions that i believe will ultimately pay dividends down the road.

If I wanted to tank I would keep the same roster. This current roster will finish bottom 3 next year.

I am tired of watching this boring style of crappy hockey. Anyone who thinks it is entertaining ,I suggest drink more.

One goal hockey after 22 min of cycling or puck possession is old Minny hockey without the trap.

The fans that would stop watching can not be blamed on a new roster seeing there were thousands not showing up already with this current roster.

Repeat 25 th
- VANTEL

How much of that can purely be attributed to the players?

I honestly believe the coaching + systems played a larger role in this teams decline then any other factor.

It will be painful, no doubt. But we don't have to strive for the 1,2 or 3rd overall pick for 5 years to accomplish that goal, as you stated, Benn is a perfect example of good drafting by a team which has for the most part picked between the 10th to 25th overall selection year in year out, not to mention the fact he was what? a third round pick or something?

It wont happen overnight, agreed however, you look at teams like Boston, San Jose, Detroit, Philly, Dallas, St-Louis, Rangers and they found youthful replacements through trade, both for high picks and/or young players and maintained an element of entertaining competitiveness, as opposed to EDM, in which the average fan looks at Hall and says, wow, what a great season....kid got 80 points, meanwhile the team finished last in the conference.

Say what you will about Gillis, but he saw this coming and adapted, we got Horvat, Shink, Cassels, Subban and Cederholm in the last draft, not to mention Gaunce, Mallet and Hutton the year before.

We are already on the right track without having the necessity of having to blow up the team. With the above listed prospects, coupled with the fact that we got the 6th overall and preceding high selections in rounds 2-7 we can complement our aging core with youth, which at the end of the day is the best case scenario for both the young and old players of this team.
- Delta-Bravo

I do agree with your opinion that selling off Daniel Henrik Kesler Burrows is NOT the way to go, I do however agree with trading Kesler. He has value to go along with a good cap hit.

BUT - the bolded is just not correct IMO, Gillis did not see what happened last year coming or he wouldn't have signed Higgins and Hansen to long term deals with NTC's. Mike Gillis should have been using asset management to change the club EVERY year he was here!! He didn't; early on he injected players into the lineup, the last two he did very little of it.

He should have traded Schneider a year earlier, he should have traded Edler when he had the chance, he should of done a lot of things he didn't. The teams you mentioned make subtle changes every year, we haven't the past couple of years unless it was forced upon us by injuries.

How much of that can purely be attributed to the players?

I honestly believe the coaching + systems played a larger role in this teams decline then any other factor.
- Whiskey-Tango

The Sedins have cycled the puck for 14 years now, this is not new, or it shouldn't be to anyone?

Even over the past five years when the team played a possession game, when we've had our most success, they cycled the puck, that's what they do. It was an exciting brand of hockey, suddenly it's not to some…???

The coaching change is what turned the team into a boring terrible team to watch, well that and a serious lack of quality players.

Players Gillis added I do believe.

2009 - Sundin, Demitra, Bernier & Wellwood.
2010 - Samuelsson, Ehrhoff & Ryan Johnson.
2011 - Malhotra, Higgins, Ballard, Tambellini, Lapierre & Torres
2012 - Booth, Pahlsson & Kassian
2013 - Garrison & Derek Roy
2014 - Santorelli & Richardson

Other than 2008 and 2009 there's not a lot of top six forwards in that list and nothing coming up the pipeline.

Players I'd guess Linden and the new GM would like to keep, everything else is moveable. Whether they can be moved or not is a different story. Yes I know not all of them are going to be moved, but at least half of them should be.

Henrik
Daniel
Kassian
Jensen
Hamhuis
Bieksa
Corrado
Lack

Ryan Kesler for Eric Staal?

the Isles have until June 1st to announce that either way, they haven't made their decision yet
- jimbo83

How does Garth Snow still have his job after that move, let alone everything else he has munsoned.

Ryan Kesler for Eric Staal?
- LeftCoaster

Lateral move, we don't get any younger and I think we can get more elsewhere.

Ryan Kesler for Eric Staal?
- LeftCoaster

I might have to slap you.

I might have to slap you.
- Marwood

I was thinking out loud and forgot about the future….sorry.