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riceroni
Ottawa Senators
Location: e5, ON
Joined: 07.29.2009

Apr 22 @ 12:57 PM ET
You think that millions of people hated jews, read her diary, and changed their mind?

I doubt it.

you know it's the offseason when this sort of thing pops up in the forums...

- TommyDeVito

I am quite sure that millions of people have read her diary or have read her story and changed their beliefs (or reaffirmed their beliefs) that people all over the world (regardless of race, religion or anything else) are equally important.

Have you ever been to Anne Frank's house? When you see the line on a riany day extend for hours in wait time and people are more than happy to wait through it you will realize her impact on the world.
AlfieFever
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada
Joined: 06.30.2007

Apr 22 @ 12:59 PM ET
This is BS to me Mr. Yost. Driving the team off a cliff? Please. The GM, coach and owner were being praised the past two seasons for the depth of the organization and its fiscal responsibility. After a year of inconsistent play, due to a myriad of reasons, the media forcefully suggests to fans that nobody on the team knows what they're doing and they're very likely screwing things up. No one from management or ownership said Spezza is a bad leader and no one said he will be moved, that is a fact. Insinuate or speculate all you want but until its reality it means absolutely nothing to me.

As a longterm Sens fan I see all this as normal hockey business. Some years things click, other times they don't. I refuse to lay blame to one or two people or believe that the end is nigh. I suggest a focus on the actual positives and less on negative speculation. Talk to me about Zibanejad and Stone, the impressive coaching of Luke Richardson, or matters of the like.


(venting complete)
riceroni
Ottawa Senators
Location: e5, ON
Joined: 07.29.2009

Apr 22 @ 12:59 PM ET
Do you honestly believe that Spezza is not gonna look to resign there anyhow when he is a FA.And we wouldnt be taking Clarkson at 6 years and 5.2 mil per ,we would be taking him at 2.6 for 6 years .Getting the 8th overall gives us another chip to use to fill another hole

- top shelf 15

If Clarkson has a bad year next season they would buy him out. If Ottawa wanted him after that they could offer him a 3 year deal at 1.5 per season
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Apr 22 @ 1:00 PM ET
What do honestly think we will get for him ???I love Spezza but do you not think the rest of the league was watching something else when he was on the ice .The guy just doesnt fit here

- top shelf 15

I will give you credit. At least you are saying he isn't good and isn't worth a good return. A lot of fans say he isn't good, but expect a big return.

He shouldn't be traded.

However, to be considered, a top 6 forward and top 6 d-man and a prospect would have to be involved to start talks. Spezza is still capable (we had the evidence since January) of putting up huge numbers. You just don't give that away.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 22 @ 1:04 PM ET
Do you honestly believe that Spezza is not gonna look to resign there anyhow when he is a FA.And we wouldnt be taking Clarkson at 6 years and 5.2 mil per ,we would be taking him at 2.6 for 6 years .Getting the 8th overall gives us another chip to use to fill another hole

- top shelf 15


spezza is worth more than a 3rd liner and a pick in a weak draft. some of his value is being wasted to get the leafs to eat some of his cap.

no offense, but it's a ridiculous proposal.

if you want to fill holes on this team, then use spezza to fill them. don't trade him for lesser assets, and then try to fill the holes with them.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 22 @ 1:04 PM ET
Yeah, I'm with you here.

Just one of the worst proposals I've ever seen. And I've seen some doozies here in 3 and a half years on the buzz.

Spezza, a top line center, to a division rival, and we get a mid round 1st and a good checking line winger who is paid 6.5 million?

Even if they eat half his salary (they won't), that's still 3.25 million. How would you propose they manage to eat 3.5 million in salary for 6 years and still take on the 7 mill Spezza will want?

Crazy proposal, topshelf.

- TommyDeVito
He isnt paid 6.5 mil his cap number is 5.2 ,and if the leafs eat half .Clarkson ,s cap and salary is 2.6 .Look i get the ppg center for a bottom 6 grinder talk ,but we wont be reigning spezza anyhow .And we could use a player like Clarkson in the bottom 6 .Neil just isnt cutting it anymore ,add to this a top 10 pick and i think its an ok deal .

What do you guys honestly expect back for a player like spezza ,i expect a return but to ask for the 23 year old second line center + is a bit nuts
Gord_Wilson_2.0
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 10.11.2011

Apr 22 @ 1:04 PM ET
This is BS to me Mr. Yost. Driving the team off a cliff? Please. The GM, coach and owner were being praised the past two seasons for the depth of the organization and its fiscal responsibility. After a year of inconsistent play, due to a myriad of reasons, the media forcefully suggests to fans that nobody on the team knows what they're doing and they're very likely screwing things up. No one from management or ownership said Spezza is a bad leader and no one said he will be moved, that is a fact. Insinuate or speculate all you want but until its reality it means absolutely nothing to me.

As a longterm Sens fan I see all this as normal hockey business. Some years things click, other times they don't. I refuse to lay blame to one or two people or believe that the end is nigh. I suggest a focus on the actual positives and less on negative speculation. Talk to me about Zibanejad and Stone, the impressive coaching of Luke Richardson, or matters of the like.


(venting complete)

- AlfieFever

No one said he was a good leader or not going anywhere either. Kind of an odd thing to say or not say about your captain.
TommyDeVito
Ottawa Senators
Location: We're gonna skate to one song, and one song only.
Joined: 12.15.2010

Apr 22 @ 1:06 PM ET
Maybe you should be reading more carefully when people are posting on why Spezza should be kept?
- Gord_Wilson_2.0


-"But Turris isn't capable of scoring 80 points a season"
-"Zib may not be ready to step up to be a great second line center"
-"Spezza's offense offsets his brutal defense"
-"Spezza is a top line center, Turris isn't ready for that responsibility"
-"Spezza played really well toward the end of the season with Hemsky"
-"Spezza is an elite, rare talent only top teams have"

I refute these with:

-He probably will be soon, at least his floor is 60 points per with hardly any GA.

-Maybe not, but the same could be said for half of this young team. Have to let them play sometime.

-Not anymore, it doesn't. It did in 2011. Now he scores 80 points instead of 95, and allows twice as many goals against.

-Turris was our top line center, he shouldered brutal defensive zone minutes and the other teams top lines all year, and still scored 60 points with 30 seconds less of PP time on average per game.

-Sure, when he saw his job was on the line and someone else was on his line to carry the play - does noone else see this? Spezza is paid as a guy who raises the game of his linemates, but it was Hemsky carrying the play.

-He was only among the best in the league for about a 5 year span, as most great players are, is now declining, and possesses neither the mental or physical makeup to keep playing at a high level and carrying a team for another 6-7 years.
riceroni
Ottawa Senators
Location: e5, ON
Joined: 07.29.2009

Apr 22 @ 1:08 PM ET
He isnt paid 6.5 mil his cap number is 5.2 ,and if the leafs eat half .Clarkson ,s cap and salary is 2.6 .Look i get the ppg center for a bottom 6 grinder talk ,but we wont be reigning spezza anyhow .And we could use a player like Clarkson in the bottom 6 .Neil just isnt cutting it anymore ,add to this a top 10 pick and i think its an ok deal .

What do you guys honestly expect back for a player like spezza ,i expect a return but to ask for the 23 year old second line center + is a bit nuts

- top shelf 15

I'd rather let Spezza walk then to trade him away to a division rival and take on their headache contract plus their 1st. Sorry.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 22 @ 1:10 PM ET
spezza is worth more than a 3rd liner and a pick in a weak draft. some of his value is being wasted to get the leafs to eat some of his cap.

no offense, but it's a ridiculous proposal.

if you want to fill holes on this team, then use spezza to fill them. don't trade him for lesser assets, and then try to fill the holes with them.

- sensarmy_11
cons ;He is 31 years old ,a pending UFA looking for a retirement deal .Has back issues along with other injury concerns ,has defensive issues as well as lack of overall speed.

Pros;Can have game changing offensive potential ,good at faceoffs.

I just dont see what you guys are seeing that makes him worth what you guys think he is .
TommyDeVito
Ottawa Senators
Location: We're gonna skate to one song, and one song only.
Joined: 12.15.2010

Apr 22 @ 1:11 PM ET
He isnt paid 6.5 mil his cap number is 5.2 ,and if the leafs eat half .Clarkson ,s cap and salary is 2.6 .Look i get the ppg center for a bottom 6 grinder talk ,but we wont be reigning spezza anyhow .And we could use a player like Clarkson in the bottom 6 .Neil just isnt cutting it anymore ,add to this a top 10 pick and i think its an ok deal .

What do you guys honestly expect back for a player like spezza ,i expect a return but to ask for the 23 year old second line center + is a bit nuts

- top shelf 15


Spezza would make an amazing 2LC for a contender. He is worth more than Crapson and a pick in a bad draft, especially to a rival.

The trade with the leafs will not happen. He may go there as a FA, but the leafs would have to wow us for a deal to happen.

Clarkson and a 1st is horrible.
TommyDeVito
Ottawa Senators
Location: We're gonna skate to one song, and one song only.
Joined: 12.15.2010

Apr 22 @ 1:12 PM ET
cons ;He is 31 years old ,a pending UFA looking for a retirement deal .Has back issues along with other injury concerns ,has defensive issues as well as lack of overall speed.

Pros;Can have game changing offensive potential ,good at faceoffs.

I just dont see what you guys are seeing that makes him worth what you guys think he is .

- top shelf 15


I just don't see why the (frank) you want David Clarkson.
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 22 @ 1:13 PM ET
I'd rather let Spezza walk then to trade him away to a division rival and take on their headache contract plus their 1st. Sorry.
- riceroni

We wont be winning any trade involving Spezza over the next season anyhow .But when he is locked into a big contact and his back flares up again,thats when we will know we did the right thing as painful as its gonna be
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 22 @ 1:14 PM ET
cons ;He is 31 years old ,a pending UFA looking for a retirement deal .Has back issues along with other injury concerns ,has defensive issues as well as lack of overall speed.

Pros;Can have game changing offensive potential ,good at faceoffs.

I just dont see what you guys are seeing that makes him worth what you guys think he is .

- top shelf 15


and you want to trade him for a 30 year old, who's already on a TERRIBLE retirement deal (please don't suggest that the leafs keep half the cap, cuz we all know that wouldn't happen), has little skill beyond "grit", and is slower than spezza.
AlfieFever
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada
Joined: 06.30.2007

Apr 22 @ 1:15 PM ET
No one said he was a good leader or not going anywhere either. Kind of an odd thing to say or not say about your captain.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0


I guess, but it would also be odd to say he was an excellent captain and commit to re-signing him. By stating "leadership was a problem" I think it refers to Spezza, Phillips, Neil, MacLean, Assistant Coaches and veteran players like Methot and Michalek.

top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 22 @ 1:16 PM ET
I just don't see why the (frank) you want David Clarkson.
- TommyDeVito

Its not me ,i just have a feeling thats what we are looking at .BM wants player that can play in his top 9 and stick up for his teammates.BM was reportedly looking at DC in FA ,Nonis keeps saying he is looking to make a hockey type of deal ,not move youth off his roster .It just seems to fit
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 22 @ 1:18 PM ET
if we're moving spez to the leafs.....i want gunnarsson, gardiner, and the rights to kulemin.....and at the same time, i want them to take greening
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 22 @ 1:18 PM ET
and you want to trade him for a 30 year old, who's already on a TERRIBLE retirement deal (please don't suggest that the leafs keep half the cap, cuz we all know that wouldn't happen), has little skill beyond "grit", and is slower than spezza.
- sensarmy_11

Look ,iam not saying i love it ,but more if it happens i can live with it
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 22 @ 1:19 PM ET
Its not me ,i just have a feeling thats what we are looking at .BM wants player that can play in his top 9 and stick up for his teammates.BM was reportedly looking at DC in FA ,Nonis keeps saying he is looking to make a hockey type of deal ,not move youth off his roster .It just seems to fit
- top shelf 15


they're gonna get that from buffalo.

prince plus 3rd for stewart. done
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 22 @ 1:19 PM ET
if we're moving spez to the leafs.....i want gunnarsson, gardiner, and the rights to kulemin.....and at the same time, i want them to take greening
- sensarmy_11
These 2 wont happen,But kulie iam on board with ,just need to see what he wants as far as a contract goes though
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 22 @ 1:20 PM ET
Look ,iam not saying i love it ,but more if it happens i can live with it
- top shelf 15


it's a terrible deal for ottawa.

if murray gets less for spezza then he did for fisher, he should be fired
top shelf 15
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 11.23.2008

Apr 22 @ 1:20 PM ET
they're gonna get that from buffalo.

prince plus 3rd for stewart. done

- sensarmy_11
Hey man if it were that easy it would have been done at the deadline
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 22 @ 1:21 PM ET
These 2 wont happen,But kulie iam on board with ,just need to see what he wants as far as a contract goes though

- top shelf 15


for trading him to a division rival, that should be the price IMO
OldBucket
Location: NWT
Joined: 12.06.2012

Apr 22 @ 1:22 PM ET
Ownership continues to spit in the faces of all the people who made the Senators organization what is was/is.

I don't blame Alfredsson for leaving. Nor will I blame Jason Spezza should he want to be traded. These guys dedicated the prime of their careers to the Senators and they have nothing to show for it but a lack of respect for their efforts and loyalty.

I said it before, and I'll say it again: What does Paul MacLean have to do to earn the trust of this organization? Two out of THREE seasons with the Sens, he is nominated for the Jack Adams. In both seasons the team performs well in the playoffs despite being an underdog. He has one year where some of the players underachieve and he is thrown under the bus. It baffles me.

I don't know who came up with the idea that the Senators were supposed to contend this year. Guys like Zack Smith, Greening, Zibby, etc. were all fighting for spots with BINGO the year before Paul MacLean came in. If Ottawa had finished near the bottom like everyone expected them to in 2012 and 2013, we would be talking about how we are about to turn the corner in this rebuild. Not putting the coach on thin ice.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Apr 22 @ 1:23 PM ET
Hey man if it were that easy it would have been done at the deadline

- top shelf 15


think t. murray was probably asking too much at the deadline....... i imagine the price will come down in the off season
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