faceto27
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Location: Burke: Best part of today is I Joined: 01.21.2010
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I'm talking on the Leafs. - ThePresident
Phil Kessel........ JVR....... Kadri..... Bozak.
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honesthockey
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Click heels twice and 1c appears. Joined: 09.23.2008
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I'm talking on the Leafs. - ThePresident
Can't play that one. Leafs don't have that quality of players to develop.
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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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What is your point? I'm not blaming RC, but obviously....RC can't do much unless he has 2 Hall of Famer defenders on his back end. Trotz brought those guys along from when they were just getting into the league. He developed them correctly. Would it not be the perfect scenario for guys such as Rielly, Gardiner, Bernier, Kadri, etc....as well as our prospects. My point is, he actually brings the Predators youth along and turns them into full time NHLers. Randy Carlyle cannot do that correctly. - ThePresident
Babcock must suck then since he needed 5+ current/future HOF's to win the cup. |
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faceto27
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Location: Burke: Best part of today is I Joined: 01.21.2010
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nonis seems to be the type of gm that sets the team during the off season and then rides it out until the next off season
not a good way to run a team - Flyfreaky
Problem is that the Leafs are not very deep. Can't make trades for especially defenseman during the season. Very very very hard thing to do. And you would have to overpay for them at the time of the season. |
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honesthockey
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Click heels twice and 1c appears. Joined: 09.23.2008
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Babcock must suck then since he needed 5+ current/future HOF's to win the cup. - Tumbleweed
Babcocks approach to the Olympics was undeniably the biggest stroke of genius in hockey. |
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ThePresident
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: NY Joined: 12.08.2010
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Weber and Suter will both be Hall of Famers. To think otherwise is silly.
As for the forwards..... is it they didn't have much? Or they didn't develop much??
After 15 years, you'd think he would have developed ONE, just ONE decent forward.
- faceto27
Suter will not be a hall of famer...why would he?
Weber..ok
I'm not disputing if they will be or not, the point is....they are no where close to being Pronger and Neidermayer....we're talking about arguably the two best defenders of our time along with Lidstrom. |
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honesthockey
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Click heels twice and 1c appears. Joined: 09.23.2008
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Problem is that the Leafs are not very deep. Can't make trades for especially defenseman during the season. Very very very hard thing to do. And you would have to overpay for them at the time of the season. - faceto27
Why do you have to overpay? No one is suggesting a home run but just a culture change. |
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faceto27
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Location: Burke: Best part of today is I Joined: 01.21.2010
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Why do you have to overpay? No one is suggesting a home run but just a culture change. - honesthockey
I just think the Leafs management have a more realistic approach than they will publicly admit. This team was going nowhere in the playoffs even with a couple of upgrades on the defense. I believe they are gearing up to get serious in about two seasons time. We all knew it was going to take a very long time to undo the damage the JFJ did. There was absoutley no talent in the pipe line when they took over. Its just now starting to unfold. Need to give Nonis a couple of more years. |
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honesthockey
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Click heels twice and 1c appears. Joined: 09.23.2008
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I just think the Leafs management have a more realistic approach than they will publicly admit. This team was going nowhere in the playoffs even with a couple of upgrades on the defense. I believe they are gearing up to get serious in about two seasons time. We all knew it was going to take a very long time to undo the damage the JFJ did. There was absoutley no talent in the pipe line when they took over. Its just now starting to unfold. Need to give Nonis a couple of more years. - faceto27
Then start pointing the ship in the right direction. Are you suggesting he just let it slide this year? |
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faceto27
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Location: Burke: Best part of today is I Joined: 01.21.2010
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Suter will not be a hall of famer...why would he?
Weber..ok
I'm not disputing if they will be or not, the point is....they are no where close to being Pronger and Neidermayer....we're talking about arguably the two best defenders of our time along with Lidstrom. - ThePresident
Betcha if you asked any NHL forward in the league today, they would tell you that Suter is gonig to be in the Hall of Fame.
Have you ever watched him play?? Not being condescending, i'm serious. The guy plays 30 mins a night against the best forwards in the league. |
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Tumbleweed
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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Babcocks approach to the Olympics was undeniably the biggest stroke of genius in hockey. - honesthockey
To win the cup, you need a great coach and great players. Babcock is obviously a great coach. I hope the sarcasm came through on my last comment.
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Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Joined: 07.20.2011
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Problem is that the Leafs are not very deep. Can't make trades for especially defenseman during the season. Very very very hard thing to do. And you would have to overpay for them at the time of the season. - faceto27
it's not just about trades for trades sake, but making some moves that would improve the culture of the room when you sense that things aren't meshing
reimer was a major issue and problem that should have been moved |
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ThePresident
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: NY Joined: 12.08.2010
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Betcha if you asked any NHL forward in the league today, they would tell you that Suter is gonig to be in the Hall of Fame.
Have you ever watched him play?? Not being condescending, i'm serious. The guy plays 30 mins a night against the best forwards in the league. - faceto27
Yes, but he is not even comparable to a Pronger or Neidermayer.
What has he done to be considered HOF worthy?
Played well? |
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honesthockey
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Click heels twice and 1c appears. Joined: 09.23.2008
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I just think the Leafs management have a more realistic approach than they will publicly admit. This team was going nowhere in the playoffs even with a couple of upgrades on the defense. I believe they are gearing up to get serious in about two seasons time. We all knew it was going to take a very long time to undo the damage the JFJ did. There was absoutley no talent in the pipe line when they took over. Its just now starting to unfold. Need to give Nonis a couple of more years. - faceto27
What talent is there in the pipeline now? I see 4th liners and bottom pairing defensemen so far. |
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honesthockey
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Click heels twice and 1c appears. Joined: 09.23.2008
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To win the cup, you need a great coach and great players. Babcock is obviously a great coach. I hope the sarcasm came through on my last comment. - Tumbleweed
It did. I just had to gush about how a real team looks.
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faceto27
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Location: Burke: Best part of today is I Joined: 01.21.2010
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Then start pointing the ship in the right direction. Are you suggesting he just let it slide this year? - honesthockey
Truthfully, the Leafs greatest weakness is probably the most difficult area to fix.
Good defenseman are the rarest commodity. Hopefully he can address that issue this off season by trading someone like Gardiner. Now we are a postion of strength with PMD's. Time to move one out to get better in another area. I liked that he got our goalie of the future last off season. |
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Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: avid reader of the daily douche news Joined: 03.14.2014
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Suter will not be a hall of famer...why would he?
Weber..ok
I'm not disputing if they will be or not, the point is....they are no where close to being Pronger and Neidermayer....we're talking about arguably the two best defenders of our time along with Lidstrom. - ThePresident
Marginalizing a coach's Stanley Cup victory when the leafs haven't won in almost 50 years ... priceless. |
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GCHonda
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: MABIE NEXT YEAR!!!!!!! , ON Joined: 07.03.2010
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Ahhhhhhh yes....... JVR. Another forward that flourished under RC. - faceto27
Didn't take a genius to put JVR with Kessel. I mean with Lupul always hurt, who was gonna take Lupul's place on the 1st line? Kulemin? Ashton? McLaren?
Philly just never JVR a proper chance. It's the AMAZING chemistry between JVR & Kessel that has allowed JVR to flourish. Not like Carlyle pulled a rabbit out of the hat. I mean if RC did the unthinkable & say made Ashton a top 6 scoring winger than I would give him credit. But not when it comes to JVR. |
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faceto27
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Location: Burke: Best part of today is I Joined: 01.21.2010
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it's not just about trades for trades sake, but making some moves that would improve the culture of the room when you sense that things aren't meshing
reimer was a major issue and problem that should have been moved - Flyfreaky
I agree with the Reimer problem. I also believe that a big mistake is having Phaneuf as the captain. Leafs really need a take charge captain. Doesn't have to be a rah rah guy. But someone who will hold other players accountable. Lead by example. |
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honesthockey
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Click heels twice and 1c appears. Joined: 09.23.2008
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Truthfully, the Leafs greatest weakness is probably the most difficult area to fix.
Good defenseman are the rarest commodity. Hopefully he can address that issue this off season by trading someone like Gardiner. Now we are a postion of strength with PMD's. Time to move one out to get better in another area. I liked that he got our goalie of the future last off season. - faceto27
Just a culture change. Didn't have to be for an all star. Just a change in a weak area. |
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faceto27
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Location: Burke: Best part of today is I Joined: 01.21.2010
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Didn't take a genius to put JVR with Kessel. I mean with Lupul always hurt, who was gonna take Lupul's place on the 1st line? Kulemin? Ashton? McLaren?
Philly just never JVR a proper chance. It's the AMAZING chemistry between JVR & Kessel that has allowed JVR to flourish. Not like Carlyle pulled a rabbit out of the hat. I mean if RC did the unthinkable & say made Ashton a top 6 scoring winger than I would give him credit. But not when it comes to JVR. - GCHonda
Oye vay |
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ThePresident
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Location: NY Joined: 12.08.2010
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Marginalizing a coaches Stanley Cup victory when the leafs haven't won in almost 50 years ... priceless. - Tumbleweed
Would the Leafs have had a great shot at the Cup if they had both Pronger and Neidermayer on their team? The answer is yes. |
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GCHonda
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: MABIE NEXT YEAR!!!!!!! , ON Joined: 07.03.2010
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Marginalizing a coaches Stanley Cup victory when the leafs haven't won in almost 50 years ... priceless. - Tumbleweed
Hey in the past I have margalized EVERY cup team Bowman ever coached. Do I have to go down that road again? |
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faceto27
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Location: Burke: Best part of today is I Joined: 01.21.2010
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Just a culture change. Didn't have to be for an all star. Just a change in a weak area. - honesthockey
They did....... brought in Gleason for JML. Obviously not enough though. Which brings me back to my original assertion that the Leaf defense is (frank)en horrible. |
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BingoLady
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: Ultimate Warrior, NB Joined: 07.15.2009
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Can't wait to see Kadri on HNIC. |
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