So Linden fires Torts. What about the rest of the coaching staff? Does he, say, keep Gulutzen and fire the PP coach? Keep them all? Fire everyone?

My point is if the President begins making GM decisions where does it end? Best to just get the GM and let him choose what he wants to do otherwise he'll never be accountable.
- AlexF

K, see your point and I agree. What if the new GM wants gulutzen but he is already been fired. Can't just fire Torts IMO either. On the same page now. Haha

No to making him be GM, though I do like his ability to speak so much sense when his actions indicate a totally different reality.

Just bring him to the draft and give him a long worn leash... maybe he won't be on the end of it by the end of the draft. Do the non playoff teams still send a rep to the thing tonight?
- hillbillydeluxe

So he already speaks like a GM we are used to.

Love your leash idea though. I wonder if he will also go sniffing buts. Butman on Betman?

Bold moves? Hadn't seen one of those in a while.
- hillbillydeluxe

Luongo/Schneider, Kassian/Hodgson are the situations/moves Gillis will likely be remembered for. That and almost winning the cup of course.

Lets make him the GM then? It will be full out brawl during the draft day. Torts and Burkie going at it. Nonuts will be like Burkie's Chihuahua and MacT will be egging them on. It will be Epic. Best draft day ever.
- Linden_4_Capt

The thought crossed my mind actually, instead of having to pay him out when firing him. Retain him until the new GM gets hired and possibly keep him on as an advisor or an Assistant GM.

Let's face it, Torts is a media darling. If they hire Jim Benning, he's not really a talkative guy and will get eaten up in this market just like Gillis did. Let Benning run the show and make hockey decisions; let Torts call all the media ass holes and tell management what's really the problem with this team.

K, see your point and I agree. What if the new GM wants gulutzen but he is already been fired. Can't just fire Torts IMO either. On the same page now. Haha
- anavar

If this is what the new GM wants, then he should be fired on his first day. The PP was his baby as was offense and both were an absolute and utter disaster. The entire coaching and scouting staff, amateur and pro, need to be gassed. Hire Ferraro.

If this is what the new GM wants, then he should be fired on his first day. The PP was his baby as was offense and both were an absolute and utter disaster. The entire coaching and scouting staff, amateur and pro, need to be gassed. Hire Ferraro.
- therealagent

Luongo/Schneider, Kassian/Hodgson are the situations/moves Gillis will likely be remembered for. That and almost winning the cup of course.
- Nucker101

He will be remembered as the most successful GM in Canucks history (regular season wins, division titles, playoff wins, etc..) until we win a cup or come just as close. Should be remembered as the guy who couldn't get it done, world by the balls but couldn't finish it off.

Will fans here ever show the same love for Gillis as they just did for Quinn the other night? (Quinn and Torts looked awkward shaking hands...)

The Kassian/Hodgson trade along with Sundin are his boldest moves in my mind. Nobody really saw them coming. All that goalie stuff played out and had to be dealt with, didn't matter who the GM was. But he should have seen it coming. Can't give Lu the "C" one year to sell tickets and create a buzz, sign him to a huge contract (Term more so than $$$) market him as the #1 and then mind feck him.

If this is what the new GM wants, then he should be fired on his first day. The PP was his baby as was offense and both were an absolute and utter disaster. The entire coaching and scouting staff, amateur and pro, need to be gassed. Hire Ferraro.
- therealagent

- Nucker101

Embracing #tanknation a little too tightly....

The thought crossed my mind actually, instead of having to pay him out when firing him. Retain him until the new GM gets hired and possibly keep him on as an advisor or an Assistant GM.

Let's face it, Torts is a media darling. If they hire Jim Benning, he's not really a talkative guy and will get eaten up in this market just like Gillis did. Let Benning run the show and make hockey decisions; let Torts call all the media ass holes and tell management what's really the problem with this team.
- Chest Rockwell

Guys, Linden is not like Neely or Sakic. He's more like Yzerman and will be front and center for this organization. He's the face of the franchise again and the new GM does not need to have a big personality. Also, why are you making this assumption about Benji not being talkative? What assistant GM is?

Embracing #tanknation a little too tightly....

- hillbillydeluxe

ferraro as a pro scout, not as a coach.

Don't know how you can say Gillis was an idiot and ignore Torts' short comings.

You can't hang injuries on Torts or Gillis.

Torts won't be back, unless it is in some alternate universe. Torts sounded good yesterday but he also accepted much of the blame for not sticking with whatever system he used at the start of the year- he did not adjust. He overplayed the top 6 and the team fell apart.

The roster was largely unchanged from the previous year and performed worse. Who is to blame- GM, Coach or both?
- hillbillydeluxe

Both should receive blame, but who should receive more?... The GM who has been the focus a couple botched trades within a year and has done next to nothing to improve the team in a few years OR a first year coach just getting to know his team and what he has to work with?

I also don't think Canucks fans fully acknowledge what realignment has meant for the team. There's a big difference from the cherry picking division that they've enjoyed for years versus the quality of teams that they now face more often.

Previous to this season the realignment discussion had been going on for sometime and it's on Gillis for not having this team ready, not Torts.

The thought crossed my mind actually, instead of having to pay him out when firing him. Retain him until the new GM gets hired and possibly keep him on as an advisor or an Assistant GM.

Let's face it, Torts is a media darling. If they hire Jim Benning, he's not really a talkative guy and will get eaten up in this market just like Gillis did. Let Benning run the show and make hockey decisions; let Torts call all the media ass holes and tell management what's really the problem with this team.
- Chest Rockwell

If we want a talkative assistant GM then Pierre McGuire takes the cake. He will analyze every play and trades and signing. It will be monster. Full entertainment value.

ferraro as a pro scout, not as a coach.
- therealagent

Really?

I want to look at teams with draft success (consistent later round finds) and steal scouting talent from them. I want to see who is successful, what they do and try to implement similar, if not the same.

Ferraro is entertaining but I'm guessing he doesn't want to be away from his family anymore than he is now. There has to be many options/candidates out there that we aren't even aware of that would be better suited for the job....

Then again, a team has many scouts with different focuses, so anything is possible.

Really?

I want to look at teams with draft success (consistent later round finds) and steal scouting talent from them. I want to see who is successful, what they do and try to implement similar, if not the same.

Ferraro is entertaining but I'm guessing he doesn't want to be away from his family anymore than he is now. There has to be many options/candidates out there that we aren't even aware of that would be better suited for the job....

Then again, a team has many scouts with different focuses, so anything is possible.




- hillbillydeluxe

Ferraro had been identified as a potential GM candidate, believe it or not, and was on the late show with Scotty a few years ago. He was talking about the need for guys to play in the AHL for a period of time and to identify guys coming off of entry year deals. Anyway, conceptually he gets it. Maybe he's a better candidate for player development now that I think of it.

Guys, Linden is not like Neely or Sakic. He's more like Yzerman and will be front and center for this organization. He's the face of the franchise again and the new GM does not need to have a big personality. Also, why are you making this assumption about Benji not being talkative? What assistant GM is?
- therealagent

Except that Yzerman is actually the GM and was groomed under Ken Holland...

Both should receive blame, but who should receive more?... The GM who has been the focus a couple botched trades within a year and has done next to nothing to improve the team in a few years OR a first year coach just getting to know his team and what he has to work with?

I also don't think Canucks fans fully acknowledge what realignment has meant for the team. There's a big difference from the cherry picking division that they've enjoyed for years versus the quality of teams that they now face more often.

Previous to this season the realignment discussion had been going on for sometime and it's on Gillis for not having this team ready, not Torts.
- As_I_See_It

If Gillis is the guy that pushed for the hiring of Torts, then without a doubt Gillis should be gone.

Gillis has handed out too many ntc's, however I am not sure how many of those are limited or full ntc's.

Torts didn't even attend the young stars tourney last September to see the depth of his new club, and when he got suspended for his stunt in January the Canucks had just started their slide and did not recover, even upon the end of his suspension. He says he started coaching the team a different way and it got away from him...

Realignment has been difficult, no arguments, having to face better competition from Cali.

I am guessing not many Canucks fans are holding a torch for Torts thinking he was done wrong by the club. Just didn't and doesn't feel like a good fit. Even though many agree with what he said in the presser yesterday, not many think he should stay to finish the job.


In regards to the Lu contract, I still can't get over how many people said Lu would be a straight up salary dump and we'd be lucky if we weren't stuck eating a large portion of it and then Lu is traded and it is such a crappy deal. I don't think it was all Gillis that gave Lu the contract in the first place since Gillis had said in the past he didn't like the long contracts and was against signing the Sedins to similar contracts...

Luongo/Schneider, Kassian/Hodgson are the situations/moves Gillis will likely be remembered for. That and almost winning the cup of course.
- Nucker101

We're not allowed to talk about almost winning the cup. Torts said so.

We're not allowed to talk about almost winning the cup. Torts said so.
- we_are_all_canucks

Torts is a smart man in this regard.

What was once motivation is now poison.

Ferraro had been identified as a potential GM candidate, believe it or not, and was on the late show with Scotty a few years ago. He was talking about the need for guys to play in the AHL for a period of time and to identify guys coming off of entry year deals. Anyway, conceptually he gets it. Maybe he's a better candidate for player development now that I think of it.
- therealagent

I like a lot of what Ferraro says, but there just has to be more out there, others with experience working in other organizations who have paid their dues and have more background.

Sounds like what he is saying is common sense or popular school of thought.... similar to Torts talking in general terms about the Canucks. Who doesn't think time for development in the ahl isn't the right path for most players?

I wouldn't be totally against Gilman staying on as acting GM. Not really sure how much Linden wants to take on or if it is to just have final veto on certain trades.

Just hate all the media stuff where they want to connect dots that aren't there and have a great Disney storyline to report. Ferraro is lucky he has a soap box and is in the public eye, how many former Canucks could just as easily be suggested as GM?

I do agree though with the thought of him fitting in with Player Development especially since he has his own playing experience and that of his son with his recent move from junior to being drafted and part of the Detroit system.

We're not allowed to talk about almost winning the cup. Torts said so.
- we_are_all_canucks

I think Tort's 2011 statements were aimed at the organization. A wake up and smell the coffee beans type statement. This team is not that team anymore. Getting Ehrhoff, torres, lappy, Malholtra etc. back won't make us magical cup contenders again.

Nothing wrong with fans reminiscing about memories. It was a shoat the owners and management staff. This team is not a contender; so stop dreaming about a return to 2011 form.

I think Tort's 2011 statements were aimed at the organization. A wake up and smell the coffee beans type statement. This team is not that team anymore. Getting Ehrhoff, torres, lappy, Malholtra etc. back won't make us magical cup contenders again.

Nothing wrong with fans reminiscing about memories. It was a shoat the owners and management staff. This team is not a contender; so stop dreaming about a return to 2011 form.
- 89_hockey

I took it the same way, he was spot on that whole press conference. Probably too honest, basically said himself that he didn't put in enough time/effort with the team during the second half. But he was totally right about the core being stale, they've looked that way since the SCF IMO.

Heres hoping Boston and the LA Kings lose in the first round so Linden can talk to Benning, who then in turn can start talking to John Stevens.

I think Tort's 2011 statements were aimed at the organization. A wake up and smell the coffee beans type statement. This team is not that team anymore. Getting Ehrhoff, torres, lappy, Malholtra etc. back won't make us magical cup contenders again.

Nothing wrong with fans reminiscing about memories. It was a shoat the owners and management staff. This team is not a contender; so stop dreaming about a return to 2011 form.
- 89_hockey

If Torts really believed what he said why wouldn't he play a young, enthusiastic player like Kassian with the old Sedins. Why wouldn't he play Dalpe over the useless Sestito. If he was that honest with Aquaman and Gillis when he was hired, Gillis would have never hired him if he did as Aqua claims. Basically he said what we all know but threw Gillis and the entire management team under the bus.

The more I hear him talk the more my like for his honesty is turning into a hate for his small man syndrome.

So Linden fires Torts. What about the rest of the coaching staff? Does he, say, keep Gulutzen and fire the PP coach? Keep them all? Fire everyone?

My point is if the President begins making GM decisions where does it end? Best to just get the GM and let him choose what he wants to do otherwise he'll never be accountable.
- AlexF

Fire the lot.
Linden is in charge of all hockey decisions. The next GM answers to God-Emperor Linden.
Clean slate, baby!

Vancouver's current situation has more to do with Gillis being an idiot and the significant number of injuries this season, than it does with Torts and whatever issues he had.

Gillis has already taken the fall and you can't hang the injuries on Torts, that's why he'll be given the benefit of the doubt and be back next season.
- As_I_See_It

Torterella to Toronto.
He's all yours!!