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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 2 @ 11:05 AM ET
The Flyers had all of two power plays last night. They had good puck movement on the first one, just couldn't generate a goal. The second one, late in the third period, was a mess that could have proved very costly. But that had nothing to do with Streit specifically.
- bmeltzer

Gotta give credit to the Blues, they did an excellent job applying pressure on their second PK.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 2 @ 11:06 AM ET
Ill be honest.. I think he would add an element to that unit that they dont have.. that top blast.
- jak521



Think it would be fantastic to have either his or Vinny's one-timer on the right side, but Jake would have to come off, and then it would probably turn into a completely different kind of PP.

I agree that Kimmo's a better option at the top of the umbrella in the QB/distribution role... Streit's better utilized as a trigger puller. If the puck gets turned over, I'd much rather have Kimmo defending a 2-on-1 than Streit, too.

(Please come back Kimmo!)
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 11:08 AM ET
Timonen has been with those guys for three seasons now, so everyone on the top unit has well-established chemistry. If Streit got an extended period of time on the top unit, he'd develop similar chemistry, IMO. Streit has always been a very good power play player.
- bmeltzer


I guess I just like Timonen's cerebral play on the PP more than Streit's natural ability. I've never been a huge Streit fan so that may be clouding my judgement. I've never seen him as a guy who makes good decisions with the puck.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 11:10 AM ET
Think it would be fantastic to have either his or Vinny's one-timer on the right side, but Jake would have to come off, and then it would probably turn into a completely different kind of PP.

I agree that Kimmo's a better option at the top of the umbrella in the QB/distribution role... Streit's better utilized as a trigger puller. If the puck gets turned over, I'd much rather have Kimmo defending a 2-on-1 than Streit, too.

(Please come back Kimmo!)

- Tomahawk


What if they used Streit on the top unit in place of Jake? It would mean Amac would be the point man on the second unit, but it may improve the top unit.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 2 @ 11:10 AM ET
Gotta give credit to the Blues, they did an excellent job applying pressure on their second PK.
- BulliesPhan87


Ha! Yeah -- for some of it, I didn't think we could cross our own blue line, let alone theirs. The Blues clearly stepped it up and said they weren't losing on that one.

I think Streit would be fine on the first PP; just needs to practice with them.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 2 @ 11:11 AM ET
Think it would be fantastic to have either his or Vinny's one-timer on the right side, but Jake would have to come off, and then it would probably turn into a completely different kind of PP.

I agree that Kimmo's a better option at the top of the umbrella in the QB/distribution role... Streit's better utilized as a trigger puller. If the puck gets turned over, I'd much rather have Kimmo defending a 2-on-1 than Streit, too.

(Please come back Kimmo!)

- Tomahawk


I am actually okay with the idea of moving Jake to the second unit. Jake has become very good at using his body to protect the puck, and that could open up some options on that 2nd line. I'm 100% down with switching Jake and Vinny.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 11:11 AM ET
I am actually okay with the idea of moving Jake to the second unit. Jake has become very good at using his body to protect the puck, and that could open up some options on that 2nd line. I'm 100% down with switching Jake and Vinny.
- jmatchett383


AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Apr 2 @ 11:11 AM ET
Think it would be fantastic to have either his or Vinny's one-timer on the right side, but Jake would have to come off, and then it would probably turn into a completely different kind of PP.

I agree that Kimmo's a better option at the top of the umbrella in the QB/distribution role... Streit's better utilized as a trigger puller. If the puck gets turned over, I'd much rather have Kimmo defending a 2-on-1 than Streit, too.

(Please come back Kimmo!)

- Tomahawk


He can't play forever, but man...one more year, with maybe slightly less difficult minutes because he is getting older...
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 11:14 AM ET
He can't play forever, but man...one more year, with maybe slightly less difficult minutes because he is getting older...

- AllInForFlyers


He's still the team's best all around defenseman. It would hurt to lose him.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 2 @ 11:15 AM ET
What if they used Streit on the top unit in place of Jake? It would mean Amac would be the point man on the second unit, but it may improve the top unit.
- PhillySportsGuy



Only problem is... gaining the zone. Jake, G and Kimmo can all carry through the neutral zone and gain the zone with possession, allowing them to set up. Take Jake away, and teams can start funneling the puck to the right side and I'm not sure Streit's near as good as Jake at gaining the line consistently.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 2 @ 11:18 AM ET
I prefer to focus on the good things from the last couple of games.....Flyers did a great job on the walls against two of the best teams in the NHL...Both the Bruins and Blues are big and fast and the Flyers stuck with both.
I thought Luke Schenn really played well in both games. I really was impressed with the mental toughness the Flyers have shown in this part of the schedule that really put them at a disadvantage. Im with Bill....I cant stand the shootout.....it makes more sense to have 4-4 ....then a 3-3 which is always a blast to watch for 5 minute segments....as well they should adopt a 3-2-1 format for points in a game so that no one game AWARDS more points then a another game.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 11:20 AM ET
Only problem is... gaining the zone. Jake, G and Kimmo can all carry through the neutral zone and gain the zone with possession, allowing them to set up. Take Jake away, and teams can start funneling the puck to the right side and I'm not sure Streit's near as good as Jake at gaining the line consistently.
- Tomahawk


Thats true. Streit isn't horrible at carrying the puck in, but I feel he displays TOO MUCH confidence and thinks he can skate through 4 players.

I feel the Flyers top unit gives them options on zone entries. Kimmo or Jake can carry it in, they can dump and chase with Simmer and hartnell or they can hit G on the slingshot.

I still think a switch of Vinny and Jake would work well for both units. Tough to nitpick too much with a top 10 PP. I just think theres room for improvement.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 2 @ 11:28 AM ET
Thats true. Streit isn't horrible at carrying the puck in, but I feel he displays TOO MUCH confidence and thinks he can skate through 4 players.

I feel the Flyers top unit gives them options on zone entries. Kimmo or Jake can carry it in, they can dump and chase with Simmer and hartnell or they can hit G on the slingshot.

I still think a switch of Vinny and Jake would work well for both units. Tough to nitpick too much with a top 10 PP. I just think theres room for improvement.

- PhillySportsGuy



Yeah, it's a conundrum. Streit or Vinny would be preferable once they're set up... but Jake is definitely indispensable at allowing them to do just that.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 11:28 AM ET
No doubt.. He was freaking fantastic in December or January.. but the past couple of games I feel like he is either trying to hard, gripping the stick a bit, or forcing some passes. Lots of unusual stuff from him. I have faith though.
- jak521



I thought Streit played a real strong game last night.
Lexington Flyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NoHockeyTown , KY
Joined: 04.02.2008

Apr 2 @ 11:29 AM ET
The blue line got 2 minutes in the box for this:

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 11:30 AM ET
I guess its just me then. I just think things run more smoothly with Kimmo on the ice. He seems to always give Jake and G an outlet when they're under pressure. He will come over to the walls in order to help those guys.
- PhillySportsGuy



I don't think the observations of what Timonen does are incorrect. I just think Striet could do the same thing, while adding the weapon of the big shot from the point.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 2 @ 11:31 AM ET
Yeah, it's a conundrum. Streit or Vinny would be preferable once they're set up... but Jake is definitely indispensable at allowing them to do just that.
- Tomahawk


It depends on how you want to run it. If you want to have that right-side player be the trigger man, then Streit/Vinny are better, as they can one-time it better (no disrespect to Jake). If you want to run one where you're moving the puck to the point using the 2 ends of the umbrella as puck movers, then Jake's better, as he's a better playmaker (no disrespect to Vinny/Streit).
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 11:33 AM ET
I guess I just like Timonen's cerebral play on the PP more than Streit's natural ability. I've never been a huge Streit fan so that may be clouding my judgement. I've never seen him as a guy who makes good decisions with the puck.
- PhillySportsGuy



Watching Streit play all Season, as a puck moving defenseman, he's very good with the puck. Compared to other top puck moving defenseman in the League, his giveaway totals are very low. I think his decision making with the puck is one of the strenghts of his game, and it's evident in his play. I guess we see a different player.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 11:34 AM ET
I don't think the observations of what Timonen does are incorrect. I just think Striet could do the same thing, while adding the weapon of the big shot from the point.
- MJL


I don't think he can make the same reads as Timonen. Obviously, they'd get better with practice together.

I reread my post and it probably came out worse than I meant. It has more to do with the now. I just don't think Streit can fill in and everything is fine. The team would need to adjust and it would take time.

Personally, I feel Timonen is slightly better than Streit for this particular PP. Thats even if the team practiced with Streit for a while.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 2 @ 11:37 AM ET
Watching Streit play all Season, as a puck moving defenseman, he's very good with the puck. Compared to other top puck moving defenseman in the League, his giveaway totals are very low. I think his decision making with the puck is one of the strenghts of his game, and it's evident in his play. I guess we see a different player.
- MJL


I agree. I've been pleasantly surprised at Streit's play this year.

I still think he's overpaid (in terms of years and dollars when the 35+ rule is factored in), but I guess they had to overpay to make sure they added a player like this without giving up assets in a trade.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 2 @ 11:37 AM ET
It depends on how you want to run it. If you want to have that right-side player be the trigger man, then Streit/Vinny are better, as they can one-time it better (no disrespect to Jake). If you want to run one where you're moving the puck to the point using the 2 ends of the umbrella as puck movers, then Jake's better, as he's a better playmaker (no disrespect to Vinny/Streit).
- jmatchett383



I don't really mind the 1st-unit composition that much... that 2nd-unit is really ugly, though... good thing they only see the ice for 30 seconds at a time.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 2 @ 11:38 AM ET
Watching Streit play all Season, as a puck moving defenseman, he's very good with the puck. Compared to other top puck moving defenseman in the League, his giveaway totals are very low. I think his decision making with the puck is one of the strenghts of his game, and it's evident in his play. I guess we see a different player.
- MJL


I think Streit is a North-South puck mover, someone who can lead the play coming out of the zone, much like AMac. He makes good reads, and can headman the puck to center ice. However, I don't think his offensive zone puck movement/patience are as good as Kimmo. And I'm fine with that because Timonen was probably a top-10 defender over a large stretch of his career, and Streit's in the next class. Not a knock on Streit, who is effective as well, I just think Timonen's offensive-zone came is better when it comes to puck movement.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 11:38 AM ET
Watching Streit play all Season, as a puck moving defenseman, he's very good with the puck. Compared to other top puck moving defenseman in the League, his giveaway totals are very low. I think his decision making with the puck is one of the strenghts of his game, and it's evident in his play. I guess we see a different player.
- MJL


I see Streit as a 4/5 defenseman. I think you see him as more.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 11:40 AM ET
I see Streit as a 4/5 defenseman. I think you see him as more.
- PhillySportsGuy


I see Streit for exactly what he is. A top 4 puck moving offensive defenseman, who is reliable in his own end.
Flyersgod
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.07.2013

Apr 2 @ 11:41 AM ET
Good game soured by the shootout and having to pay coinsurance for an MRI.

Lovely.
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