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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 6:47 PM ET
Maybe, I just hope he's strong enough to withstand the pounding he's going to take at this level. Unlike college, there are lot of big guys that can skate really well at the NHL level and as a rookie they are going hit him often and hard. I think he'd be better off with one year in the AHL, where the game moves a bit slower. It will give him time to adapt to both the physicality of the pro game and the length of the season.
- BiggE


I think he should start in the AHL as well. I'm sure he'll get a look in camp. Unless he blows them away, the AHL would be the ideal spot for him.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 2 @ 6:47 PM ET
Maybe, I just hope he's strong enough to withstand the pounding he's going to take at this level. Unlike college, there are lot of big guys that can skate really well at the NHL level and as a rookie they are going hit him often and hard. I think he'd be better off with one year in the AHL, where the game moves a bit slower. It will give him time to adapt to both the physicality of the pro game and the length of the season.
- BiggE

Torey Krug seems to be doing okay.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 2 @ 6:48 PM ET
We'll see. I think they move Grossmann if they want to go after another player.
- PhillySportsGuy


Perhaps, I think a lot depends on whether Timonen returns.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 2 @ 6:49 PM ET
Torey Krug seems to be doing okay.
- mayorofangrytown

Krug played 63 games in the AHL in 12-13. I think Ghost could benefit from the same.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 6:50 PM ET
Better than worst? Okay. He's not exactly lighting it up in the shoot outs.
- mayorofangrytown


I just don't think they need to waste an asset or roster spot on a player who doesn't really fit but is good in shootouts.

They had Briere and he didn't seem to help them win many. He's always been good in shootouts.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 2 @ 6:52 PM ET
I just don't think they need to waste an asset or roster spot on a player who doesn't really fit but is good in shootouts.

They had Briere and he didn't seem to help them win many. He's always been good in shootouts.

- PhillySportsGuy


I'm really hoping the league does something to reduce the amount of shootouts next year. I think there's a good chance that OT gets extended, perhaps with the extension being 3 on 3.

Any type of team game is preferable, IMO, to deciding a game with a skills competition.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 2 @ 6:55 PM ET
I'm really hoping the league does something to reduce the amount of shootouts next year. I think there's a good chance that OT gets extended, perhaps with the extension being 3 on 3.

Any type of team game is preferable, IMO, to deciding a game with a skills competition.

- BiggE


Didn't they already shoot 3v3 down?

Think the most change we can expect is zamboni after the 3rd and switching sides for the long change.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 2 @ 6:59 PM ET
C'mon Marc. If you can get a third and a conditional 2nd for Mez Grossburger is worth a second.
- mayorofangrytown

some folks around some parts make him out to be a glorified 3rd pair guy at a grossly inflated salary

not me, I think he is a bonafide NHLer and is pretty valuable in his role

if all they can get back is a mid level pick then I would keep him, unless they need to move his salary for another defenseman coming in
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 7:00 PM ET
I'm really hoping the league does something to reduce the amount of shootouts next year. I think there's a good chance that OT gets extended, perhaps with the extension being 3 on 3.

Any type of team game is preferable, IMO, to deciding a game with a skills competition.

- BiggE


I would extend OT by 5 minutes.

If they want to keep the shootout, they should change the point system. No reason a team who wins in a shootout should get the same amount of points as a team who wins in regulation
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 7:01 PM ET
some folks around some parts make him out to be a glorified 3rd pair guy at a grossly inflated salary

not me, I think he is a bonafide NHLer and is pretty valuable in his role

if all they can get back is a mid level pick then I would keep him, unless they need to move his salary for another defenseman coming in

- Marc D


Niskanen
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 2 @ 7:01 PM ET
Didn't they already shoot 3v3 down?

Think the most change we can expect is zamboni after the 3rd and switching sides for the long change.

- Tomahawk

they did nix 3v3 at the last gm meeting and I think they are under some pressure to not lengthen the games, which suks

I would love to hear how the current players feel about the shootouts, not sure if they would give an honest answer but it would be interesting
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 2 @ 7:03 PM ET
C'mon Marc. If you can get a third and a conditional 2nd for Mez Grossburger is worth a second.
- mayorofangrytown

Flyers are paying some of Mez's salary too
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 2 @ 7:04 PM ET
Niskanen
- PhillySportsGuy

going to be $$$
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 2 @ 7:06 PM ET
I would extend OT by 5 minutes.

If they want to keep the shootout, they should change the point system. No reason a team who wins in a shootout should get the same amount of points as a team who wins in regulation

- PhillySportsGuy



Also no way an OT/shootout game somehow creates an extra point out of thin air......

3 point for a reg win
2 points for an OT/shootout win
1 point for an OT/shootout loss

Simple.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 2 @ 7:07 PM ET
Flyers are paying some of Mez's salary too
- Marc D


Paying some of Mez's salary to go roof daddy on Mason Sunday.

Meszaros in Boston. 9 GP, 2 goals, 3 assists. +6. His early success is a product of playing with Chara. He will be exploited defensively in the playoffs.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 2 @ 7:07 PM ET
Also no way an OT/shootout game somehow creates an extra point out of thin air......

3 point for a reg win
2 points for an OT win
1 point for an OT/shootout loss

Simple.

- MBFlyerfan

so... no points for a shootout win then?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 7:07 PM ET
Also no way an OT/shootout game somehow creates an extra point out of thin air......

3 point for a reg win
2 points for an OT win
1 point for an OT/shootout loss

Simple.

- MBFlyerfan


Thats how I would do it.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 2 @ 7:08 PM ET
I just don't think they need to waste an asset or roster spot on a player who doesn't really fit but is good in shootouts.

They had Briere and he didn't seem to help them win many. He's always been good in shootouts.

- PhillySportsGuy

Agreeed, I'm not wasting a roster spot on a shooter like jussi jokinen, I just don't see Mason making so much of a difference.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Apr 2 @ 7:09 PM ET
Paying some of Mez's salary to go roof daddy on Mason Sunday.

Meszaros in Boston. 9 GP, 2 goals, 3 assists. +6. His early success is a product of playing with Chara. He will be exploited defensively in the playoffs.

- PLindbergh31

Big Z was playing with Doogie against the Flyers I think, haven't watched the Bs play non Flyers games though
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 7:09 PM ET
Agreeed, I'm not wasting a roster spot on a shooter like jussi jokinen, I just don't see Mason making so much of a difference.
- mayorofangrytown


He's better than the other guys we've had. Im not saying they'll become some great shootout team, but it would be nice to break even one of these years.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 2 @ 7:10 PM ET
Niskanen
- PhillySportsGuy

Please no... please.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 7:10 PM ET
Big Z was playing with Doogie against the Flyers I think, haven't watched the Bs play non Flyers games though
- Marc D


Its a move that worked out well for everyone. Boston is happy, Flyers are happy, Mez is happy.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 7:11 PM ET
I think they will be underwhelmed by offers for Schenn
- PhillySportsGuy


I think Grossmann makes the most sense to move. But I think that Schenn could be part of a larger deal.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 2 @ 7:11 PM ET
Krug played 63 games in the AHL in 12-13. I think Ghost could benefit from the same.
- BiggE

Maybe but if he's ready let's get him in there. He's already had three years of college competition.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 7:11 PM ET
Please no... please.
- mayorofangrytown


I like Niskanen. He'll be overpaid, but the Flyers always go after the best available FAs.
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