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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Apr 2 @ 4:43 PM ET
I really don't think it's necessary to move into the top 10. I'd imagine it'd cost and a lot and I think they should just see how things play out- try to not deal away picks or kids. The future for this team is bright...no need to really alter anything drastically like this IMO
- Giroux_Is_God


I don't know. I'm no expert, but I was looking at this draft, and deep is one thing it is not (projection-wise). There's a heavy 3, a solid 5, a good 10, and then it's like a drop off a cliff. Granted, the top 3 are a weak top-3, but the drop off around 10 seems significant. Again, all projection-wise.

That said, I wouldn't move any core pieces going forward. Maybe Cousins + 2014 1st or something.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 4:44 PM ET
So...Adam Oates called out Ovechkin for lack of hustle and backchecking.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=448095

But...goals...

- jmatchett383


I'm sure Claude Julien will be calling out Bergeron for the same soon...
TobyFlenderson
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Annex, Scranton, PA
Joined: 06.13.2013

Apr 2 @ 4:44 PM ET
Not sure what it would take, and it's a long ways away, but what would you guys think about the Flyers trading up to around #6 and trying to snag Haydn Fleury from Red Deer? He's out up some pretty good numbers on a pretty bad Red Deer team.

Or maybe move into the top-10 and got for Anthony DeAngelo from Sarnia (he's from Sewell, NJ).

- jmatchett383


If they don't give up any big pieces I'd be all for it. I love Fleury's skill set and those WHL defensemen seem to turn into great NHLers.

I would stay away from DeAngelo. Obviously he's intriguing because of his puck moving and offensive ability, but he's undersized and has had issues with immaturity this year (I think he's been suspended on two separate occasions for violating the league’s harassment policy.).

I would like the Flyers to draft a forward if they stand pat in their spot. Someone like Dylan Larkin or I'm hoping Kapanen or Kempe falls into their laps (wishful thinking).
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 2 @ 4:45 PM ET
Being that the draft is in Philly, Snider will want to make some kind of splash. No way they just keep the pick and select in what will be in the 15-20 range
- PLindbergh31



The Flyers aren't going to make a move because they want to make a splash because the draft is in Philly. They're going to approach it like they would in any draft, regardless of where it is located.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 4:46 PM ET
If they don't give up any big pieces I'd be all for it. I love Fleury's skill set and those WHL defensemen seem to turn into great NHLers.

I would stay away from DeAngelo. Obviously he's intriguing because of his puck moving and offensive ability, but he's undersized and has had issues with immaturity this year (I think he's been suspended on two separate occasions for violating the league’s harassment policy.).

I would like the Flyers to draft a forward if they stand pat in their spot. Someone like Dylan Larkin or I'm hoping Kapanen or Kempe falls into their laps (wishful thinking).

- TobyFlenderson


He's a guy I can see them trading up a few spots to get. He fits their mold.

Trading into the top 10 will be very costly, but trading up 5 spots won't be as bad
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Apr 2 @ 4:46 PM ET
So...Adam Oates called out Ovechkin for lack of hustle and backchecking.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=448095

But...goals...

- jmatchett383


But....does Ovechkin actually care....
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 2 @ 4:47 PM ET


what's their all-time shooting percentage? and w-l %?

- hammarby31


30% and 27-50
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 2 @ 4:48 PM ET
The Flyers aren't going to make a move because they want to make a splash because the draft is in Philly. They're going to approach it like they would in any draft, regardless of where it is located.
- MJL

thank you

Why are we suddenly omniscient? Like we're basically putting words into Snider/Homer's mouths here. There's no basis for any of this "they'll make a move because Snider will want to make a splash with the draft in philly" poop. It's quiet laughable and hilariously invalid.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
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Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 2 @ 4:49 PM ET
He's a guy I can see them trading up a few spots to get. He fits their mold.

Trading into the top 10 will be very costly, but trading up 5 spots won't be as bad

- PhillySportsGuy

Yeah this Kempe guy I've seen his name a few times. Pretty speedy from what I've heard?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 2 @ 4:51 PM ET
thank you

Why are we suddenly omniscient? Like we're basically putting words into Snider/Homer's mouths here. There's no basis for any of this "they'll make a move because Snider will want to make a splash with the draft in philly" poop. It's quiet laughable and hilariously invalid.

- Giroux_Is_God


Almost as laughable and hilariously invalid as employing a goon year after year, when they went the way of the Edsel 20 years ago.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 4:51 PM ET
Yeah this Kempe guy I've seen his name a few times. Pretty speedy from what I've heard?
- Giroux_Is_God


Hes more of a bruiser. He's a big boy.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Apr 2 @ 4:51 PM ET
Not sure what it would take, and it's a long ways away, but what would you guys think about the Flyers trading up to around #6 and trying to snag Haydn Fleury from Red Deer? He's out up some pretty good numbers on a pretty bad Red Deer team.

Or maybe move into the top-10 and got for Anthony DeAngelo from Sarnia (he's from Sewell, NJ).

- jmatchett383

You really want him as a target? Why?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 2 @ 4:53 PM ET
Hes more of a bruiser. He's a big boy.
- PhillySportsGuy

Hmm I must be getting him confused with someone else.

What's the book on him? Kind of like a Tom Wilson (before this year)? Goes through people but has nice hands and a good offensive game?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 2 @ 4:54 PM ET
Almost as laughable and hilariously invalid as employing a goon year after year, when they went the way of the Edsel 20 years ago.
- PLindbergh31

Sure, if we're just gonna come out of left field with something
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 4:54 PM ET
Hmm I must be getting him confused with someone else.

What's the book on him? Kind of like a Tom Wilson (before this year)? Goes through people but has nice hands and a good offensive game?

- Giroux_Is_God


Haven't seen all that much of him. From what I've read, he's more of a Simmonds type. Tenacious along the boards with good hands and a good shot.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Apr 2 @ 4:56 PM ET
Haven't seen all that much of him. From what I've read, he's more of a Simmonds type. Tenacious along the boards with good hands and a good shot.
- PhillySportsGuy

Certainly fits the mold, like you said. Have to start reading up on the kids coming up. Tis (almost) the season!
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 2 @ 4:56 PM ET
I don't think its worth trading up that far. I just don't feel the difference of talent between the middle of the draft and the top of the draft is that huge. Its not like they'd be trading up for a Sean Monahan at that spot.

I feel this is a draft where the scouting is going to be very important. There will be good players and they may be found anywhere in the first round.

- PhillySportsGuy



If the price wasn't exorbitant, I'd love a shot at Ehlers.

But yeah, I mostly agree with your stance that moving up in this particular draft wouldn't necessarily guarantee a better player -- like passing on a shot at Jeff Jillson to take Oleg Saprykin.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Apr 2 @ 4:57 PM ET
Sure, if we're just gonna come out of left field with something
- Giroux_Is_God

egg on faceclown! gutless puke laughable !!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 4:58 PM ET
If the price wasn't exorbitant, I'd love a shot at Ehlers.

But yeah, I mostly agree with your stance that moving up in this particular draft wouldn't necessarily guarantee a better player -- like passing on a shot at Jeff Jillson to take Oleg Saprykin.

- Tomahawk


I think Ehlers is almost a guarantee to go in the top 10. He's electrifying though.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Apr 2 @ 4:59 PM ET
But....does Ovechkin actually care....
- BiggE



How is it humanly possible to have 48 goals and be -36?

I don't Einstein could solve that problem.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Apr 2 @ 4:59 PM ET
How is it humanly possible to have 48 goals and be -36?

I don't Einstein could solve that problem.

- MBFlyerfan


Neil DeGrasse Tyson could
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 2 @ 4:59 PM ET
egg on faceclown! gutless puke laughable !!
- BulliesPhan87


Ayup....

Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Apr 2 @ 5:00 PM ET
So Pannoche says we need 6 more points and we are in.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Apr 2 @ 5:00 PM ET
egg on faceclown! gutless puke laughable !!
- BulliesPhan87

bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Apr 2 @ 5:00 PM ET
How is it humanly possible to have 48 goals and be -36?

I don't Einstein could solve that problem.

- MBFlyerfan


When the fortunes of your team rely solely on the powerplay.
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