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Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Mar 23 @ 3:17 PM ET
I could have done a better bracket in my sleep than the one I got now
- SotaPopinski

erectile dysfunction
Canuckleafer
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.18.2013

Mar 23 @ 3:22 PM ET
No you just can't back up your lame arguement.
- Daveflyers36


The Kings won the cup in the same fashion that Canada won the Gold this Olympics. Timely, solid goaltending assisted by a suffocating forecheck and defensive play.

Quick was great, but the defense played amazing. I watched the Vancouver series and I can tell you that the Kings gave the Canucks virtually nothing inside. Almost every single shot was from the perimeter. The Canucks got very few quality scoring chances. When Quick needed to be great, he was. That being said, it certainly wasn't a one man show out there.
SotaPopinski
Minnesota Wild
Location: Minny
Joined: 02.21.2011

Mar 23 @ 3:23 PM ET
erectile dysfunction
- Flyfreaky

Only when dreaming of you, big boy
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Mar 23 @ 3:25 PM ET
Only when dreaming of you, big boy
- SotaPopinski

sorry about the wild, better luck never
TheRollingPuck
Season Ticket Holder
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "All things considered (defense) I'd put a prime Kunitz on par with one way kessel."
Joined: 04.10.2010

Mar 23 @ 3:26 PM ET
Malkin was penalized this afternoon. Wonder whether Michael Stuart will do a blog about it.
SotaPopinski
Minnesota Wild
Location: Minny
Joined: 02.21.2011

Mar 23 @ 3:26 PM ET
sorry about the wild, better luck never
- Flyfreaky

Bryz in goal today, turnaround inevitable
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Mar 23 @ 3:29 PM ET
Bryz in goal today, turnaround inevitable
- SotaPopinski

words cannot begin to express my deepest sympathies
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 23 @ 3:30 PM ET
Better with them and not Voracek, Simmonds, B Schenn and Couts?
- wolfhounds



yup.
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Mar 23 @ 3:31 PM ET
yup.
- prock




garth snow, is that you?
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Mar 23 @ 3:33 PM ET
yes they are. the flyers would be better with them.
- prock



Keep telling yourself that.
Their is no argument you can make or proof you can give that backs that statement up.

Just to make sure I understand what you are saying..

The Flyers would be better off with Richards and Carter vs Simmonds, B Schenn, Voracek, Couturier and Grossmann?
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

Mar 23 @ 4:15 PM ET
Kesler for Simmonds, Couturier + 1st.
- Scooby_Doo

Gtfo
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

Mar 23 @ 4:26 PM ET
yes they are. the flyers would be better with them.
- prock

you're joking right?
Artyukhin76
Tampa Bay Lightning
Joined: 07.25.2009

Mar 23 @ 4:30 PM ET
Hey Look

Ek doesn't realize when a guy doesn't play the PK, or shutdown another team late in a game to protect a lead, it somehow translates into a guy being a stud offensive player, and the guy happens to play for the Flyers

definitely article worthy comparisons in here....

- TheGame316

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Philly2088
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2009

Mar 23 @ 5:24 PM ET
The flyers were not going to win a series against pittsburgh with richards and carter going up against crosby and malkin yes los angelas won a cup but they also had a first line with kopitar brown and williams i love the trades because we are a better rounded team offensively because of it
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 23 @ 5:24 PM ET
No I was using Quick's stats as my arguement on why the Kings won the cup. Something you keep dismissing. That is what makes you lame.
- Daveflyers36



No single player can win a Cup. I honestly don't know why Flyers fans have this need to downplay the role that Carter and Richards had in the Kings winning the Cup. They were top players on a top team.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Mar 23 @ 5:27 PM ET
It doesn't make us the bitter anything because those two ARE NOT MISSED here in Philly. A combined 12 goals for two supposed star players is not a glaring stat. I'm glad you are impressed but not many are.
- Daveflyers36


Carter tied for the NHL lead in goals anf GWG that playoff Season. And Richards was 6th overall in playoff scoring.
Sven22
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Joined: 12.24.2007

Mar 23 @ 5:48 PM ET
Care of the indispensable Extra Skater:

Among players who've played at least half a season so far (36 games), Wayne Simmonds is 29th in points per 60 minutes in all situations, at 2.78, which is another way of 1 point every 21:35.

Of course, these numbers fail to take into account things like zone starts (Simmonds gets 57.3% of his non-neutral draws at even strength in the offensive zone), quality of competition (Simmonds is near the bottom of Flyer forwards in most estimates), and situational usage (Simmonds does not play the PK, which would significantly decrease his average).

Looking at just 5-on-5 scoring rates, Simmonds drops to 111th in the league, at 1.82 points per 60 minutes of ice time. This despite the advantage of playing relatively sheltered minutes and being used disproportionately in attacking situations.

All this is to say: the premise and conclusions of this blog, as others have said, are faulty. Doing the math correctly reveals what most of us intuitively know: Simmonds is a nice second liner who can put up a decent amount of points when used correctly. This is decided not an earth-shattering conclusion.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 23 @ 5:50 PM ET
Care of the indispensable Extra Skater:

Among players who've played at least half a season so far (36 games), Wayne Simmonds is 29th in points per 60 minutes in all situations, at 2.78, which is another way of 1 point every 21:35.

Of course, these numbers fail to take into account things like zone starts (Simmonds gets 57.3% of his non-neutral draws at even strength in the offensive zone), quality of competition (Simmonds is near the bottom of Flyer forwards in most estimates), and situational usage (Simmonds does not play the PK, which would significantly decrease his average).

Looking at just 5-on-5 scoring rates, Simmonds drops to 111th in the league, at 1.82 points per 60 minutes of ice time. This despite the advantage of playing relatively sheltered minutes and being used disproportionately in attacking situations.

All this is to say: the premise and conclusions of this blog, as others have said, are faulty. Doing the math correctly reveals what most of us intuitively know: Simmonds is a nice second liner who can put up a decent amount of points when used correctly. This is decided not an earth-shattering conclusion.

- Sven22

So what you are saying is that Simmonds is closing in on Ryan Callahan levels of glue factor, AKA being extremely over rated ?[/img]
EquityAdvocate
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.24.2013

Mar 23 @ 5:57 PM ET
Wow. Did this blogger really just publish this without checking his math that is obviously way off, when the premise of the entire article is built around the math? Now THAT is embarrassing.

They let anyone write in this junk site I guess.
EquityAdvocate
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.24.2013

Mar 23 @ 6:01 PM ET
Omg I didn't realize it was actually EK who wrote this crap lol. Can't doña basic cross multiplying equation taught in Grade 5.

Wow.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 23 @ 6:02 PM ET
Omg I didn't realize it was actually EK who wrote this crap lol. Can't doña basic cross multiplying equation taught in Grade 5.

Wow.

- EquityAdvocate

The E doesn't stand for Einstein
Tweek
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 04.20.2010

Mar 23 @ 6:37 PM ET
Thing is, if his ice time was bumped up that likely means more time against the opposition's top defenders. And that in turn would likely decrease his offensive efficiency.

So it's basically a curious "Oh well that's kind of interesting" stat but it doesn't really say all that much.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Mar 23 @ 7:05 PM ET
That averages to a ratio of one point for every 4.36 minutes on the ice.


Am I missing something?

Because if Crosby is actually scoring at this pace should he not be averaging 4+ points every game?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Mar 23 @ 7:35 PM ET
Am I missing something?

Because if Crosby is actually scoring at this pace should he not be averaging 4+ points every game?

- Leafs43



Yes. Closer to 5.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Mar 23 @ 7:56 PM ET
Yes. Closer to 5.
- prock


So I am bored and actually just crunched the numbers, I imagine this was already discussed, but i'm pretty sure this entire blog is wrong.

Crosby has more points per minute than Simmonds...

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