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MontrealTheTime
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.22.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:45 PM ET
The math of this is so off it's crazy.

You say Crosby gets a point for every 4.36 minutes on the ice. Considering his ice time is 21:58 per game that means he averages almost 5 points per game? In reality he gets a point every 16 minutes or so on the ice.

Simmonds gets a point every 21.58 minutes, which is significantly worse than Crosby.

You would think that saying a guy gets a point every four minutes on the ice would be instantly caught by the filter of impossibility, but I guess not.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Mar 23 @ 1:45 PM ET
Rewrite that and try to have it make sense next time...
- wolfhounds


Simmonds doesn't play non offensive minutes (PK/Shutdown)

so it goes without saying his Points per minute played is going to be higher than players who do play in that role

Not saying he isn't a good player, but using vague stats to narrow the contribution of his overall play and suggesting he is an offensive juggernaut is biased lazy journalism
FinAddict
Joined: 07.02.2010

Mar 23 @ 1:46 PM ET
The math of this is so off it's crazy.

You say Crosby gets a point for every 4.36 minutes on the ice. Considering his ice time is 21:58 per game that means he averages almost 5 points per game? In reality he gets a point every 16 minutes or so on the ice.

Simmonds gets a point every 21.58 minutes, which is significantly worse than Crosby.

You would think that saying a guy gets a point every four minutes on the ice would be instantly caught by the filter of impossibility, but I guess not.

- MontrealTheTime

He's using stats from his NHL14 Be A GM mode, you tool
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
Everyone sleeps with everyone's wife. Welcome to sports gossip
- sbroads24

that's very offensive to the gay players
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

Mar 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
The math of this is so off it's crazy.

You say Crosby gets a point for every 4.36 minutes on the ice. Considering his ice time is 21:58 per game that means he averages almost 5 points per game? In reality he gets a point every 16 minutes or so on the ice.

Simmonds gets a point every 21.58 minutes, which is significantly worse than Crosby.

You would think that saying a guy gets a point every four minutes on the ice would be instantly caught by the filter of impossibility, but I guess not.

- MontrealTheTime


Jay Rosehill has 1 point and averages 4 minutes a night. SO he scores a point every 15 seconds.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Mar 23 @ 1:48 PM ET
As has been pointed out, Philly didn't trade Carter to LA. Further, your reason for why they were traded doesn't make a lot of sense considering the run the Flyers had with them.

Kopitar, Quick, Brown, Doughty, et al might have a few things to say regarding your conclusion.

- wolfhounds

Obviously Carter and Richards didn't win a cup on their own. However they were big reasons why they did.

I know Philly didn't trade him to LA either, but he won there. Something Homer was convinced couldn't happen with them in Philly. Which is fine if Philly eventually wins with this current core
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:49 PM ET
Simmonds doesn't play non offensive minutes (PK/Shutdown)

so it goes without saying his Points per minute played is going to be higher than players who do play in that role

Not saying he isn't a good player, but using vague stats to narrow the contribution of his overall play and suggesting he is an offensive juggernaut is biased lazy journalism

- TheGame316

what about shorthanded points? anytime you're on the ice you have the ability to score points
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:50 PM ET
Jay Rosehill has 1 point and averages 4 minutes a night. SO he scores a point every 15 seconds.
- FlyersSteve118

damn, he's good
MontrealTheTime
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 08.22.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
Jay Rosehill has 1 point and averages 4 minutes a night. SO he scores a point every 15 seconds.
- FlyersSteve118


What's his glue factor though?
SotaPopinski
Minnesota Wild
Location: Minny
Joined: 02.21.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:51 PM ET
The math of this is so off it's crazy.

You say Crosby gets a point for every 4.36 minutes on the ice. Considering his ice time is 21:58 per game that means he averages almost 5 points per game? In reality he gets a point every 16 minutes or so on the ice.

Simmonds gets a point every 21.58 minutes, which is significantly worse than Crosby.

You would think that saying a guy gets a point every four minutes on the ice would be instantly caught by the filter of impossibility, but I guess not.

- MontrealTheTime


Permaban!
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:52 PM ET
What's his glue factor though?
- MontrealTheTime

i hope they trade him to the habs for briere
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:52 PM ET
Spermaban!
- SotaPopinski

FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

Mar 23 @ 1:52 PM ET
what about shorthanded points? anytime you're on the ice you have the ability to score points
- Flyfreaky


Simmonds plays sheltered minutes along with the rest of our second line. A lot of team's secondary scoring units play sheltered minutes to maximize their usefulness. It's called "coaching".

I'm pretty sure that even a guy like Matt Read who can score shorthanded has his points per minute significantly decreased by his penalty kill time.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 23 @ 1:52 PM ET
Simmonds doesn't play non offensive minutes (PK/Shutdown)

so it goes without saying his Points per minute played is going to be higher than players who do play in that role

Not saying he isn't a good player, but using vague stats to narrow the contribution of his overall play and suggesting he is an offensive juggernaut is biased lazy journalism

- TheGame316


Ok, that's fair. I didn't get it in your original post.

Simmonds does benefit by being on the Flyers top PP unit, no doubt about that. Either way, he's putting up some pretty good points and we'll take it.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 23 @ 1:54 PM ET
Jay Rosehill has 1 point and averages 4 minutes a night. SO he scores a point every 15 seconds.
- FlyersSteve118


Why is he in the pressbox then!?
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Mar 23 @ 1:54 PM ET
What's more amazing is that Wayne Simmonds is the top offensive producer among players named Wayne Simmonds.
SotaPopinski
Minnesota Wild
Location: Minny
Joined: 02.21.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:54 PM ET

- Flyfreaky

What happened to you in your formative years?
Flyfreaky
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.20.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:55 PM ET
What happened to you in your formative years?
- SotaPopinski

missing y chromosome
SotaPopinski
Minnesota Wild
Location: Minny
Joined: 02.21.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:57 PM ET
missing y chromosome
- Flyfreaky

opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Mar 23 @ 1:59 PM ET
Why is he in the pressbox then!?
- wolfhounds



Because the Flyers are already playing like one of the best teams, adding Rosehill would push them past Boston.

or not.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 23 @ 2:01 PM ET
What's more amazing is that Wayne Simmonds is the top offensive producer among players named Wayne Simmonds.
- feelingkettle


You got a link to prove that?
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Mar 23 @ 2:02 PM ET
The math of this is so off it's crazy.

You say Crosby gets a point for every 4.36 minutes on the ice. Considering his ice time is 21:58 per game that means he averages almost 5 points per game? In reality he gets a point every 16 minutes or so on the ice.

Simmonds gets a point every 21.58 minutes, which is significantly worse than Crosby.

You would think that saying a guy gets a point every four minutes on the ice would be instantly caught by the filter of impossibility, but I guess not.

- MontrealTheTime



The concept was wrong and the math was incredibly wrong: he took total points for the year and divided by ATOI per game (bad concept) which gives you average points per minute, not average minutes per point (bad math).
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 23 @ 2:03 PM ET
Because the Flyers are already playing like one of the best teams, adding Rosehill would push them past Boston.

or not.

- opeth_pa


I see, we want the rest of the NHL to think they still have a chance...got it.



wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Mar 23 @ 2:05 PM ET
The concept was wrong and the math was incredibly wrong: he took total points for the year and divided by ATOI per game (bad concept) which gives you average points per minute, not average minutes per point (bad math).
- StLBravesFan


Simmonds' name is being engraved on the Cup as we speak...
FlyersSteve118
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Delco, PA
Joined: 10.02.2013

Mar 23 @ 2:08 PM ET
The concept was wrong and the math was incredibly wrong: he took total points for the year and divided by ATOI per game (bad concept) which gives you average points per minute, not average minutes per point (bad math).
- StLBravesFan


No it gives you points per average ice time in a game. Which is nothing.
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