Are you suggesting if LU stayed this team would have challenged for the cup?
- VANTEL

Well that's not twisting words at all.

Are you suggesting they'll win it by not making the playoffs?

There is way too much movement in Lack's game at the moment and it's opening a ton of holes. I'm not bashing the guy but he's an unproven goalie at this point, nothing more, nothing less. If these issues are not corrected through coaching and experience than he won't amount to much.
- golfingsince

Lack on a good defensive team is a great goalie. He is not a saviour right now though. He cannot make up for the terrible team in front of him and steal game after game. On a contending team this year he would be adequate.

Even so, Lack, Markstrom and Errikson. One of the three are going to be excellent. The Canucks seem to be able to develop goalies and all three have good pedigree. Goaltending is not our issue.

Well that's not twisting words at all.

Are you suggesting they'll win it by not making the playoffs?
- golfingsince

I think their chances would be the same.

Cool, except we might not have the goaltending to get into the playoffs again, let alone win a round. Say what you want about Bobby Lu but he is easily the best goalie in franchise history.

Last time I checked you need to get into the playoffs in order to win the Cup. The Islanders have been rebuilding since the 80's. They've actually only won a playoff series ONE YEAR since 1987.
- golfingsince

Kinda reminds me of the Flames, even with Kipper they've only been past the 1st round once since they won their Cup in 1989...and Kipper was a fantastic goaltender for many years in Calgary.

Yes. He also needs to play less often for the time being. Coaching and experience should help both issues but for now he's not a 60-70 game goalie. I think around 50-55 would be perfect for him next season.
- golfingsince

Bringing in some experience this summer is an absolute must!

The Islanders are a terrible team to illustrate any rational or logical points. Between Wang and Snow there isn't an ounce of critical thinking or higher reasoning being used to construct that team. It honestly seems like they really hated their arena so they purposefully mismanaged the team so they could move to Brooklyn without anyone getting too upset.
Look at that Vanek for Moulson swap. What a disaster. In no way was that ever going to work out for them.

I am not knocking Lu. I think he is one funny guy.

To me he was probably about the 7 th best regular season goalie and 12 th best playoff goalie. Very respectable. I think he was getting older and slower , and didn't want to be here.
- VANTEL

I didn't mean to say you were. I'm talking about a percentage of the fan base that is never satisfied with Canuck goalies. I though Lu was great and then very good. As I said previously, although Gillis and Co mishandled the Luongo situation, part if the goalie issues over the past few years was Luongo being challenged and even beaten by his backups.

Lack on a good defensive team is a great goalie. He is not a saviour right now though. He cannot make up for the terrible team in front of him and steal game after game. On a contending team this year he would be adequate.

Even so, Lack, Markstrom and Errikson. One of the three are going to be excellent. The Canucks seem to be able to develop goalies and all three have good pedigree. Goaltending is not our issue.
- 89_hockey

Let's hope.Although Lack has certainly impressed at times I still think he needs a bunch of work, especially with his glove and positioning. That first Caps goal last night he wasn't even in his net.

I didn't mean to say you were. I'm talking about a percentage of the fan base that is never satisfied with Canuck goalies. I though Lu was great and then very good. As I said previously, although Gillis and Co mishandled the Luongo situation, part if the goalie issues over the past few years was Luongo being challenged and even beaten by his backups.
- bazz

I don't know how offering a guy 60 mil is mishandling. They secured his family and his family after that for stopping pucks.

He did request to be traded and they had two in place one which was to Columbus for Johansen. He refused to play for the Leafs and the Blue Jackets and we ended up trading him to his desired destination.

I hope the (frank) someone mishandles me like that one day.

Let's hope.Although Lack has certainly impressed at times I still think he needs a bunch of work, especially with his glove and positioning. That first Caps goal last night he wasn't even in his net.
- golfingsince

You did see that Bieksa crashed into him? I agree he has a fair amount of work to do to become a great goalie but with good defensive structure in front of him right now he is a good or, at minimum, an adequate goalie.

Kinda reminds me of the Flames, even with Kipper they've only been past the 1st round once since they won their Cup in 1989...and Kipper was a fantastic goaltender for many years in Calgary.
- LeftCoaster

I think the Canucks still have much more talent than the Flames did with those teams.

Bringing in some experience this summer is an absolute must!
- LeftCoaster

Unless they want to roll the dice and if it works out fine, if not the McDavid sweeps.

I think their chances would be the same.
- VANTEL

Bingo. This teams problems are more centered around the lack of D and structure. The part that really tops it all off is that they can't score in Torts DOMINANT* SYSTEM.



* Brutally Painful to watch and SSSSUCKS

Unless they want to roll the dice and if it works out fine, if not the McDavid sweeps.
- golfingsince

There is nothing wrong with going all in for one year for a franchise player. If we kept things the way they are right now , we would have an excellent chance at McDavid.

You did see that Bieksa crashed into him? I agree he has a fair amount of work to do to become a great goalie but with good defensive structure in front of him right now he is a good or, at minimum, an adequate goalie.
- 89_hockey

Bieksa wasn't even on the ice. Stanton did graze him but that's hardly the reason. He took himself out of position and wasn't able to recover.

http://canucks.nhl.com/ga...er/en/recap?id=2013020997

There is nothing wrong with going all in for one year for a franchise player. If we kept things the way they are right now , we would have an excellent chance at McDavid.
- VANTEL

I think it's asking for a whole lot for the team to collectively be as bad and as injured as they have been this year. I don't have an issue with moving a piece or two this summer for prospects and picks but I certainly don't want a full rebuild.

Unless they want to roll the dice and if it works out fine, if not the McDavid sweeps.
- golfingsince

I'm truly torn if I want the Canucks in the McDavid Sweeps or not. I want them to trade 3 vets for youth/picks to restock the cupboards and hopefully follow a San Jose type retool. Getting a player like McDavid though would alter the trajectory of the franchise if he is everything he is supposed to be at the NHL level.
It's tough being a fan right now. My heart wants the Canucks to win every game but my head knows its best if they lose every game.

Bingo. This teams problems are more centered around the lack of D and structure. The part that really tops it all off is that they can't score in Torts DOMINANT* SYSTEM.



* Brutally Painful to watch and SSSSUCKS
- rugdnit

Meh, the Flyers made it in on the last day of the season and went to the finals. The Oilers made the finals in 2006, the Kings squeeked into the 8th seed and won the Cup. Chances aren't great but at least you have a chance. If you don't qualify you have none.

I'm truly torn if I want the Canucks in the McDavid Sweeps or not. I want them to trade 3 vets for youth/picks to restock the cupboards and hopefully follow a San Jose type retool. Getting a player like McDavid though would alter the trajectory of the franchise if he is everything he is supposed to be at the NHL level.
It's tough being a fan right now. My heart wants the Canucks to win every game but my head knows its best if they lose every game.
- 89_hockey

Meh, I want them to win but if they lose it doesn't bother me. As a diehard fan it's nice to have the bandwagon folks jump off. It's a really good time to get on the season ticket list and move up quickly for those interested.

Also, the landscape will change quickly again in the NHL I think if the canadian dollar continues to drop.

I think it's asking for a whole lot for the team to collectively be as bad and as injured as they have been this year. I don't have an issue with moving a piece or two this summer for prospects and picks but I certainly don't want a full rebuild.
- golfingsince

I look at it this way , we have had some entertaining hockey for the last decade. We have been extremely lucky.

The past due date is here now. We got some excellent picks last year at the draft and will certainly get a high pick this year.

if you went one more year and picked up a franchise player, you should be entertained for years to come.

I for one think our future is very hopeful. I can put up with one more year of a bad season .

I'm truly torn if I want the Canucks in the McDavid Sweeps or not. I want them to trade 3 vets for youth/picks to restock the cupboards and hopefully follow a San Jose type retool. Getting a player like McDavid though would alter the trajectory of the franchise if he is everything he is supposed to be at the NHL level.
It's tough being a fan right now. My heart wants the Canucks to win every game but my head knows its best if they lose every game.
- 89_hockey

I find myself cheering for their occasional goal and then slapping myself in the face saying that was bad. Ideally, they lose games 1-0 and 2-1, so we don't hear any more cr-p about goaltending and to allow for a goal or two for some of the younger players.

I find myself cheering for their occasional goal and then slapping myself in the face saying that was bad. Ideally, they lose games 1-0 and 2-1, so we don't hear any more cr-p about goaltending and to allow for a goal or two for some of the younger players.
- bazz

Last night was a good night. Our prospects and young players scored and we are still in the running for a high draft pick.

Reading up on some of the prospects and watching some film this morning, slow day at the office, this draft doesn't have a "high-end" guy but there's still some great young players available.

Last night was a good night. Our prospects and young players scored and we are still in the running for a high draft pick.
- VANTEL

Agreed. I do want to see more than three get by Luongo tomorrow and a Lack win. I'm a fan, but now that he's gone need to get behind the new king. King is dead, long live the king.

It's the same every year, injuries and more injuries are his excuses, now it's under performing, both of which has some merit to it. But he NEVER takes responsibility for any of his misgivings.
- LeftCoaster

A boss who takes no accountability for the performance of his organization or his own actions does not have my respect.